If there really is a God or some supreme being or superior Alien Civilization....Where are they?

Originally posted by soulpowertothendegree
reply to post by ItDepends

 

Something is responsible for creation...what you call it is up to you....alien or otherwise....we all originate from the same source...UNIVERSALLY.

Thanks soulpowertothenthdegree~~ Welcome!!

your thoughts seem very interesting and at first value weigh heavily with truth or 'it's just the way it is'.

Again though, if that truly is the case....we are ALL made of a Universal source....and I am not disagreeing with you....Why has this source not shown itself? Why the mystery? Why have hundreds of generations died not knowing ( maybe it is revealed upon death, but now definitive proof). One can say, so be it, we all came from one source so be it, and that' just the way it is....ok!!

But why Billions, 'trillions of stars and planets? WHY? WHY HAVE ALL WE HAVE IS WHAT WE SEE, AND NOTHING ELSE???? Trust me, the Hubble and Keplar telescopes have unveiled fascinating views into the distant past, but other than some fantastic images.....no closer to Intelligent Life elsewhere, nor signs of a Powerful Almighty God, Creator....it is the 21st century, more than 2,000 years since the beginning of the major religions.......who believe.....WELL we want to believe too...WHERE IS GOD???? Where are these Advanced Civilizations people swear by....WHO created them...Our world, our humanity has explored, longed to learn....WHERE IS THE PROOF, WHERE IS HE????? WHERE ARE THEY???

Originally posted by ItDepends
I can understand your logic, we learn by our mistakes. But lessons learned are like bridges burned, you only need to cross them once. Our species seems never to learn, and the same 'actions' repeat generation by generation. Have we learned not to steal, kill, murder, rape, commit adultery.....all basic tenements dating back thousdands of years.

it takes more than a few thousand years to evolve universal morality, but it is evolving.. the attitudes of governments and anthropological and sociopolitical groups throughout history have changed remarkably in how they interact, and it's ongoing..

the crimes people commit aren't committed because they are bad people, they are just misunderstood.. they had a reason for doing whatever they did, and it's in understanding the reason you will find the solution to the cause.. throwing them in a cell and forgetting about them does nothing constructive at all.

If HE truly is here, HE must see the mistake, the lack of understanding, the imperfect nature of humans to change.....it is a vicious cycle. For many, they have done just as you suggest: take responsibility, be more god-like, even Mother Teresa uttered the words in some fashion questioning whether God existed, in light of all the suffering.

yeah but we are by definition imperfect, we do not perfectly encompass all things like He does.. there can't be any mistakes, just different perspectives of interactions.. His perspective is perfectly objective, and considerably compassionate..

the level of suffering in the world is equal to the level of selfishly squandered influence over interactions throughout history by the leaders of a people slowly figuring itself and its world out.. if Godimus Prime decides something has to be done about us, He'll do it..

I think today, people are becoming more disenchanted with faith (look at the atrocities of priests acting in the name of god and abusing young boys), over and over again, all through out time, atrocities in the name of GOD have happened.

Is it not reasonable to say enough with this belief stuff, we are here all alone, just oneself, survival of the fittest. NO ONE is coming......this it it!!! Through nature, like all other living things....we are born, live x-amount of years, then we die....is that not possible?

priests are humans with perversions like all others, they are charged with a symbolically holy office and will of course suffer temptations.. their failure to do control themselves is a reflection on their personal character, not God's.. God doesn't want child abuse, but he hasn't been able to stop people being deviant since He blessed us with free will, if he takes it back then that's another story..

while it is probable that noone is coming, even life as we know it, existing in 3 dimensions, is not completely explained by the simple birth>life>death process.. there is something more to it, a living universe, that is intelligent and responsive, and we are only tiny tiny bits and blobs of it..

Again, my points are not to be argumentative. Simply provoking, How could a All and Powerful God who created everything, as many believe, allow the pain, suffering and brutality continue to happen. If you believe that his Son came to save us, well nothing has changed....the day of his death and every day since......atrocities have continued and have only gotten more ugly and suffering more painful.

So if HE really does exist, if he really does care, how could he allow this to happen?? WHERE IS GOD?

ok then, so He comes down in the form of a man, or impregnates a virgin with pixiedust, or an individual develops God-consciousness, and He is here.. then what? all he's done is separate his consciousness into human form.. what should he do? who should he talk to? who would take him seriously?

how can God prove that He is God? engineer some kind of public "miracle"? or should He pretend not to be God, and just go around helping the strangers who cross his path? As absolute God, or Divine Intelligence, He is a part of all things, but if he splits a part of His consciousness down into a separate relativistic form, then that form's ability is governed by that form..

there is actually a scientific proof of God, using modal logic, written by an atheist friend of einstein's, which might interest some people..

Do you think we are the only project of a god or alien creator?

In this massive vast expanse of a universe to play with, and the time it takes to go from one to the next even at light speed to check on all the projects must take a while.

Also nothing really very interesting happens, its only the last 2,000 years we have "got interesting", the creator was probably thinking "every time i come back to check on earth they are still in mud huts throwing feces at each other".

Going to be kicking themselves this time eh

Can you imagine at the local God bar talking with other creators "i turn my back for a few thousand years and the little buggers make nuclear weapons and blow my beautiful planet to bits"

Originally posted by tachyonmind


the crimes people commit aren't committed because they are bad people, they are just misunderstood.. they had a reason for doing whatever they did, and it's in understanding the reason you will find the solution to the cause.. throwing them in a cell and forgetting about them does nothing constructive at all.

If HE truly is here, HE must see the mistake, the lack of understanding, the imperfect nature of humans to change.....it is a vicious cycle. For many, they have done just as you suggest: take responsibility, be more god-like, even Mother Teresa uttered the words in some fashion questioning whether God existed, in light of all the suffering.

Originally posted by tachyonmind
yeah but we are by definition imperfect, we do not perfectly encompass all things like He does.. there can't be any mistakes, just different perspectives of interactions.. His perspective is perfectly objective, and considerably compassionate..

the level of suffering in the world is equal to the level of selfishly squandered influence over interactions throughout history by the leaders of a people slowly figuring itself and its world out.. if Godimus Prime decides something has to be done about us, He'll do it..

ok then, so He comes down in the form of a man, or impregnates a virgin with pixiedust, or an individual develops God-consciousness, and He is here.. then what? all he's done is separate his consciousness into human form.. what should he do? who should he talk to? who would take him seriously?

how can God prove that He is God? engineer some kind of public "miracle"? or should He pretend not to be God, and just go around helping the strangers who cross his path? As absolute God, or Divine Intelligence, He is a part of all things, but if he splits a part of His consciousness down into a separate relativistic form, then that form's ability is governed by that form..

there is actually a scientific proof of God, using modal logic, written by an atheist friend of einstein's, which might interest some people..

Thanks again for your reply......HOWEVER one of your opening comments bewilders me...."....the crimes people commit aren't committed because they are bad people, they are just misunderstood....."

I'm sorry, dismembering a little baby, cutting the head off of an adversary, raping an innocent teenagre, killing a young boy out for a jog, just because the killers were bored......DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE BAD PEOPLE???

No my friend, these people are indeed BAD, and if you believe GOD created us....then what a mess!!! I'm sorry, but the travesties, the atrocities just to human life alone make good people cry.....these killers are BAD, not misunderstood. AND I for one, am tired of making excuses for them.

How can GOD prove he is GOD??? There are hundreds of ways.....look into the sky....let the World see...like nothing before....He created it, HE can DO Anything....There's nothing he can do that can't be done....This is HIS Creation...IF HE EXISTS, then HE COULD MAKE HIMSELF KNOWN,

The fear people have is to let go. (not speaking for everyone or even myself) but people have lost faith....its a day to day survival. I've been to services, mass, gatherings....people are praying for HIS guidance....HIS words have faded, HE IS NOT HERE!!!

We can discuss all we want, quote scriptures, say we don't understand.....Well WE DO understand....HE simply is NOT HERE, and there is no proof that he ever was. And as I have said over and over, and no free rides or excuses, NO ONE with the power to change things, to change the damage, suffering and painfully ugliness against human life would ever let it continue to happen.....NOT without some indication, some real hope. IF GOD EXISTS, HOW COULD HE ALLOW YOUNG CHILDREN TO DIE IN SECOND GRADE????? OR A MOM AND DAD BE SHOT DEAD IN A MOVIE THEATRE???? IF GOD EXISTS, WHERE IS HE????

I am not afraid to ask, and even challenge HIM, he created me, well now I'm asking, show it to me now..If you really exist GOD SHOW IT TO US KNOW!!!!

I think if there is a God we as a species would look like a grain of sand to him/her and relative to how we perceive sand.

Originally posted by Biigs
Do you think we are the only project of a god or alien creator?

In this massive vast expanse of a universe to play with, and the time it takes to go from one to the next even at light speed to check on all the projects must take a while.

Also nothing really very interesting happens, its only the last 2,000 years we have "got interesting", the creator was probably thinking "every time i come back to check on earth they are still in mud huts throwing feces at each other".

Going to be kicking themselves this time eh

Can you imagine at the local God bar talking with other creators "i turn my back for a few thousand years and the little buggers make nuclear weapons and blow my beautiful planet to bits"

Thanks Biigs!! Only project for an Alien Civilization? Maybe not...I really don't know, but some think so, and if that is true, WHERE ARE THEY?

As far as GOD, the CREATOR of everything....well yeah...HE should know what is happening and he should have a vested interest in HIS creations, unless we are just a small piece in some gallactic game.

All we have is all we have. We were taught right from the beginning.....most of us....that there was a GOD, that he loved us and HE would return....well, the last we heard, that was more than 2,000 years ago.

So much suffering, destruction, hatred and killing has happened and grown over those years that if there truly is a GOD, why hasn't he come, intervened, show us a new way??? It seems HE has disappeared, or possibly HE was just a dream, a story and NEVER REALLY WAS....WHAT PROOF HAVE WE???? IF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS POWERFUL, AND HE CREATED EVERYTHING, THEN HE CANNOT BE VERY PROUD OF THIS MESS. Maybe you are correct....maybe HE said for get about it......I've got other things to do.....these people are doomed, they created their own mess, I gave them everything...and they have destroyed it. I've had enough...let them die in their own waste!!!! Because if GOD REALLY DOES EXIST, AND HE REALLY CARED....AGAIN, WHERE IS HERE?????

Because if GOD REALLY DOES EXIST, AND HE REALLY CARED....AGAIN, WHERE IS HERE?????

again, HULLO! i am a human shaped piece of intelligent universal information, and therefore a part of God.. i care a great deal about the welfare of my species, but what can i do? i am only a man.. i may be an incarnation of God's ultimate intelligence but i am still just only a human..

Originally posted by ItDepends

Originally posted by soulpowertothendegree
reply to post by ItDepends

 

Something is responsible for creation...what you call it is up to you....alien or otherwise....we all originate from the same source...UNIVERSALLY.

Thanks soulpowertothenthdegree~~ Welcome!!

your thoughts seem very interesting and at first value weigh heavily with truth or 'it's just the way it is'.

Again though, if that truly is the case....we are ALL made of a Universal source....and I am not disagreeing with you....Why has this source not shown itself? Why the mystery? Why have hundreds of generations died not knowing ( maybe it is revealed upon death, but now definitive proof). One can say, so be it, we all came from one source so be it, and that' just the way it is....ok!!

But why Billions, 'trillions of stars and planets? WHY? WHY HAVE ALL WE HAVE IS WHAT WE SEE, AND NOTHING ELSE???? Trust me, the Hubble and Keplar telescopes have unveiled fascinating views into the distant past, but other than some fantastic images.....no closer to Intelligent Life elsewhere, nor signs of a Powerful Almighty God, Creator....it is the 21st century, more than 2,000 years since the beginning of the major religions.......who believe.....WELL we want to believe too...WHERE IS GOD???? Where are these Advanced Civilizations people swear by....WHO created them...Our world, our humanity has explored, longed to learn....WHERE IS THE PROOF, WHERE IS HE????? WHERE ARE THEY???

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There are monuments everywhere.

Have you tried looking?
Here is a good place to start.

Aliens came to Earth. And War broke out. Now here we are. Asking some question about what happened?
Well i can lay it out flat.

Pleiadians are coming and are here. But the movie is about Orion? Correct. These 2 star systems are planetary outposts.

Now we can get into scemantics here. But every sign around you should tell you.
Who holds the keys to the Underworld?

reply to post by tachyonmind

how can God prove that He is God? engineer some kind of public "miracle"?

Jesus' ability to do miracles PROVED His deity.

Miracles were in fact His divine credentials.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live" ~ John 11:25

Then Jesus appeared to two of His disciples on the road to Emmaus. He started from the very beginning of the Scriptures and explained that He was the Messiah - God’s plan to take away the sin of all who would believe in Him. Jesus wanted them to understand God’s plan, and believe in Him. He wants the same for us today.

The two disciples ran back to find the other disciples and tell them that Jesus was alive. Still, the other disciples did not believe because they had not seen Jesus." ~ Mark 16:12-13

reply to post by Murgatroid


what is a "miracle"? it is figurative.. the messages of the bible are not all exclusively literal..

Contemporary liberal Christians may prefer to read Jesus' miracles as metaphorical narratives for understanding the power of God. Not all theologians with liberal inclinations reject the possibility of miracles, but may reject the polemicism that denial or affirmation entails..

According to the Jesus Seminar, Jesus probably cured some sick people, but described Jesus' healings in modern terms, relating them to "psychosomatic maladies." They found six of the nineteen healings to be "probably reliable". Most participants in the Jesus Seminar believe Jesus practiced exorcisms, as Josephus, Philostratus, and others wrote about other contemporary exorcists, but do not believe the gospel accounts were accurate reports of specific events or that demons exist. They did not find any of the nature miracles to be historical events.

wikiwiki.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live" ~ John 11:25

He was saying that he has lived before, and embodies life, if you believe what he says, you will understand that noone truly "dies".. he wasn't saying the dead would come back to life on earth, just that they still live elsewhere..

reply to post by tachyonmind

According to the Jesus Seminar ...wikiwiki.

I find it truly sad and ironic when some are gullible enough to actually believe known disinfo sources such as Wikipedia while at the same time refusing to believe the greatest source of truth in existence.

God cannot lie, George Soros on the other hand cannot speak the truth.

"Wikipedia is a propaganda outlet dominated by people who want to radically transform our existence."

Who Controls Wikipedia? (George Soros)
Wikipedia Disinformation & Propaganda

reply to post by tachyonmind

what is a "miracle"? it is figurative.. the messages of the bible are not all exclusively literal..

Once again, experience always trumps knowledge.

I have PERSONALLY experienced many supernatural encounters that only God Himself could have done.

These types of experiences always move a person from the realm of believing, to a place of KNOWING.

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by tachyonmind

 

what is a "miracle"? it is figurative.. the messages of the bible are not all exclusively literal..

Once again, experience always trumps knowledge.

I have PERSONALLY experienced many supernatural encounters that only God Himself could have done.

These types of experiences always move a person from the realm of believing, to a place of KNOWING.

by definition all things are "supernatural" and "done" by God though, aren't they? how do you know what is "supernatural" and what is supposedly not?

knowing something by virtue of subjective interpretation of experience is not the same as knowing by virtue of its objective truth.. how do you "know" these "supernatural" experiences where in fact not natural? is God not "natural" to begin with?

Originally posted by tachyonmind
by definition all things are "supernatural" and "done" by God though, aren't they? how do you know what is "supernatural" and what is supposedly not?

knowing something by virtue of subjective interpretation of experience is not the same as knowing by virtue of its objective truth.. how do you "know" these "supernatural" experiences where in fact not natural? is God not "natural" to begin with?

When the odds are so astronomical that they approach impossibility, you KNOW...

Concerning your source of "truth", how do you know what is supposedly truth and what is not?

How do you know these "facts" are not deliberate lies instead?

ANYONE can post anything they want on wiki...

"I found that out when I got in a fight with some gay folks on a soap newsgroup once—they got angry when I stated my Christian viewpoint and started attacking my faith—they even went into wikipedia and under the heading of ‘Christian persecution’, THEY CHANGED THE ENTIRE ARTICLE.

Instead of info about Christian believers being persecuted over history, it became a crapfest of how Christians *persecute* gays and abortion rights promoters, etc. Got pretty ugly. Fortunately I had saved the original copy and having signed up for wiki, I kept going in and replacing what they kept replacing. After a day or so they got tired of it. That’s when I learned anyone can post anything they want on wiki, especially concerning political or religious issues."

Who Controls Wikipedia? (George Soros)

reply to post by Murgatroid


why are you talking about gay people?

Its hard to follow the derailing trains of thought in this thread.

reply to post by ItDepends


I have a simple explanation for that. From the bible. Put simply God left the world to it''s own devices. But he was supposed to return at a future date. The parables of Matthew 24 and Matthew 25 come to mind.

That being said however those parables are referring to something out of the Old Testament. And I figured it out. What happened was this. The first century Jews triggered the curse of Malachi by killing John the Baptist. Who according to Jesus Christ was Elijah the prophet. And one of the co-Messiahs of the first century Apocalypse according to Malachi. It was supposed to have been a 3 or 4 man job according to Malachi.

And the details are this. The curse of Malachi is a top level Leviticus 26 curse. And the book of Hosea in verse 6-2 says the curse was supposed to last 2000 years.

So sometime in the 2020's the curse is over.

reply to post by ItDepends

But i just have a fancy to ask some big questions.......IS THERE A GOD??? A SUPREME CREATOR?? DOES A SUPERIOR CIVILIZATION exist somewhere out in the cosmos??? Earth is supposedly 4.5 Billion years old we are told, they Universe about 14.5 Billion years old. So WHERE IS EVERYBODY.....WHERE IS GOD????

The opposite of what you ask is to presume are we the only ones? And that by definition is somewhat the same as saying (the world is still flat), don't you think?

The full electromagnetic spectrum that we know of is thousands of miles long compared to the one inch of it we see called the color spectrum. Radio signals are all around us, microwaves, sub sonic sound, none of which we can hear, feel or touch.

How is it that we can say there is nothing more based on our limited senses? Our instruments see deep into the cosmos today showing us the reality of billions of galaxies filled with trillions of stars and a gazillion worlds. Are we the only ones?

Don't go medieval on me and say yes.

So you want to meet spirits. Have you ever had an experience where something proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there was something more than what we can see hear and feel? Not a single one?

Are you sure?

To my mind that is hard for me to comprehend for I have had such experiences. I am not lying to you and I am not crazy, on drugs or playing for fun.

So tell me. Not one single thing has ever happened to you that was out of sorts with you definition of real?

Thanks for your replies on here, I eagerly await your response to me about this one thing I am asking you...

reply to post by Xaphan


Ah ha, I've fallen into the Labling trap.

Perhaps a generalization such as The Lord as used in the Bible would be more fitting. (Father of men, made man in his image, etc)

Anyway, whether Gods a He/She or something inbetween or beyond that, dosnt fall into the realms of "Why they have not come to sort things out".

I could throw in some jokes due to their lateness regarding their gender, but feel that they'll be tasteless and not help the thread.


eee.

when the odds are astronomical.. Approaching impossibilty..

The "odds" of something happening have no effect on how possible it is, just how probable within a known set of conditions.. Odds aren't the be all and end all of creation, they are an imperfect way of trying to figure out the unknown..

Knowledge of something occurring has no relevance to the odds of said thing occuring..

Originally posted by Murgatroid
reply to post by tachyonmind

 

According to the Jesus Seminar ...wikiwiki.

I find it truly sad and ironic when some are gullible enough to actually believe known disinfo sources such as Wikipedia while at the same time refusing to believe the greatest source of truth in existence.

i find it truly sad and ironic when some willfully ignorant too.. wikipedia is only considered to be a souce of disinformation by those who do not realise it is not a "source" at all.. wikipedia is not the source in this instance, the jesus seminar is..

God cannot lie, George Soros on the other hand cannot speak the truth.

"Wikipedia is a propaganda outlet dominated by people who want to radically transform our existence.
Who Controls Wikipedia? (George Soros)
Wikipedia Disinformation & Propaganda

wikipedia's content is not controlled by any individual, it is the work of thousands of individuals freely sharing information.. if a reliable source is not provided for the information, then it is removed..

your links just describe the perception of some paranoid people who look for "evil" at every turn and make groundless claims of benevolence towards what they see as disagreement with their own interpretation

reply to post by ItDepends


It has shown itself...and it does so daily...we are a manifestation of all there is all that will be...UNIVERSALLY.