baphomet

reply to post by pepsi78

It is the same thing, the temple is the entrance into the abyss, there are no two Abzus like there are no two Apsus.

Actually, as I have painstakingly pointed out, there are in fact THREE Abzus.

The Abzu is not a deity in Sumerian culture, it is not who you state.

Yes, it does, and I have pointed out the Sumerian myths that show this.

Yes but that does not make the Abzu what you say.

Yes, it does.

Then come up with a carving from sumerian culture depicting the abzu as a serpent, or with stuff from the tablets, you won't find it.

SIGH. I already did. I pointed exactly WHICH MYTHS. I also told you exactly which book to look at in order to locate the cylinder seals I am referring to, and I even told you the plate numbers.

The Sumerian cylinder seal represents something else, it is the start of agriculture, it may be part of the Abzu in concept but it is not the Abzu, it is a representation of the start of agricultural season, it has to do with the the agricultural seasons, the start of culture, civilisation, it's what the seal represents. Agri-cultural season.(culture)

Double SIGH. This is not the cylinder seals I am referring to at all. See my answer above.

What scholars, and about evolving myths that is the problem, you must check every culture and get rid of the evolution and just keep the seed, the truth because evolving it becomes something else.
If Summer is the glory then Babylon is the Old, the fall, the infection of the Sumerian culture. You know what they say after summer comes fall. Not that I want to be critical but that is what Babylon sounds to me, like an old lady, BAB, BABA, old lady. Baby-lon is the fallen counterpart of the Sumerians with made up things added on top of the sumerian stories.
Not that babylonian culture is not relevant but you have to eliminate all the additional stuff that is not found in sumerian culture, babylonian culture is useful because it contains some elements that have been lost in the Sumerian culture, like broken tablets that are incomplete can be found in babylonian culture as a duplicate but with additions to it so one must be careful how it interprets them.

I've pointed out exactly which scholars, along with their interpretations and translations. As to the rest of the post, and I'm not trying to be mean here, but let's say I have trouble understanding your errant trains of thought.

The evolution of mythology is not that hard to comprehend. It really isn't. All you've done is taken what I've told you, twisted it around, and repeated it back to me, as your own. All the while still managing to misunderstand it.

Yes, it does, and I have pointed out the Sumerian myths that show this.

Come up with information from the tablets and post it here.

SIGH. I already did. I pointed exactly WHICH MYTHS. I also told you exactly which book to look at in order to locate the cylinder seals I am referring to, and I even told you the plate numbers.

And I told you that it's not it, that enkis temple is just the entrence into the Abzu.
The abzu is not a female, it's not anything, later in babylonian myths it gets' interpreted as a main masculine deity.

I've pointed out exactly which scholars, along with their interpretations and translations. As to the rest of the post, and I'm not trying to be mean here, but let's say I have trouble understanding your errant trains of thought.

That is your interpretation, you quoted no sources, it's just your saying.

The evolution of mythology is not that hard to comprehend. It really isn't. All you've done is taken what I've told you, twisted it around, and repeated it back to me, as your own. All the while still managing to misunderstand it.

That is the main problem, it should not happen. Only in cases where it is strictly necesary.
Evolution of myths bare additions, it's like your mother telling you a goodnight story, then you tell it to your kids, then your kids tell it to their kids and it changes, and the truth is lost.

You stated things that are not true.

reply to post by pepsi78

Come up with information from the tablets and post it here.

I DID.
Pepsi?
You do know that the myths I'm referring to are written on the tablets, don't you?
I mean, you've read them all, right?
I even told you which ones.

And I told you that it's not it, that enkis temple is just the entrence into the Abzu.
The abzu is not a female, it's not anything, later in babylonian myths it gets' interpreted as a main masculine deity.

Nope, you're just plain wrong.
I never said He was female.
See my answer above.

That is your interpretation, you quoted no sources, it's just your saying.

Speiser and Kramer, Pepsi, Speiser and Kramer.
If you knew anything about these things, you'd already know those names.
Also: Father Bergmann, Dr. Edmund Gordon.
There were over 5,000 fragments and tablets, scattered in museums all over the world, which were painstakingly put together, translated and presented by Kramer, Speiser et al.
These are the real sources, Pepsi. I told you, it's not just my professional opinion, it is from a long line of distinguished professional opinions.
ABZU/KUR/ASAG = DEITY/PLACE

You stated things that are not true.

You know what, Pepsi?
I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse.

reply to post by pepsi78


So if one quotes you, one then becomes part of a "mob"? Ok, not just paranoid, delusional.

Originally posted by CodyOutlaw
You know what, Pepsi?
I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse.

ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

I DID.
Pepsi?
You do know that the myths I'm referring to are written on the tablets, don't you?
I mean, you've read them all, right?
I even told you which ones.

No you did not, post the source here like everybody else, with the external quote.
You have to post the material here, the exact things we are interesting in.
You don't just say something and say go search there, you have to back it up, post it here, from the content you are talking about.

Nope, you're just plain wrong.
I never said He was female.
See my answer above.

Exactly the abzu is not a deity in Sumerian culture.

Speiser and Kramer, Pepsi, Speiser and Kramer.
If you knew anything about these things, you'd already know those names.
Also: Father Bergmann, Dr. Edmund Gordon.
There were over 5,000 fragments and tablets, scattered in museums all over the world, which were painstakingly put together, translated and presented by Kramer, Speiser et al.
These are the real sources, Pepsi. I told you, it's not just my professional opinion, it is from a long line of distinguished professional opinions.
ABZU/KUR/ASAG = DEITY/PLACE

Post the information here, where it states such thing about the Abzu.

You know what, Pepsi?
I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse.

Because you stated things that are not true, you mixed it with the babylonian culture.

en.wikipedia.org...
Abzu (apsû) is depicted as a deity only in the Babylonian creation epic

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You can ravel all you like as a mason, all I have seen from you is cheap crap and insults.
Go on it's your fraternal image that is getting damaged.

reply to post by pepsi78

No you did not, post the source here like everybody else, with the external quote.
You have to post the material here, the exact things we are interesting in.
You don't just say something and say go search there, you have to back it up, post it here, from the content you are talking about.

Nope.
You see, Pepsi, I've had students like you before.
Lazy.
I told you where to find it. I told you how to find it.
But, I'm not going to do all the work for you.

Exactly the abzu is not a deity in Sumerian culture.

Yes, He is.
Deity/place
Freshwater areas
Enki's temple.

Three different things, all of them Abzu.

Post the information here, where it states such thing about the Abzu

I'm not going to sit here and transcribe ANE textbooks and articles for you, Pepsi.
I've given you the references.
Stop being lazy.

Because you stated things that are not true, you mixed it with the babylonian culture.

Oh dear. Look, wiki can be great, but wiki can also be terrible. In this case, the author has not read the correct source material. For a proper look at this issue, by the man who located the fragments of the tablets as far and wide as Paris, London, Istanbul and Pennsylvania, and then translated them and combined them into the coherent myths and poems that we read today, PLEASE read Kramer's comments and essays in the Journal of the American Oriental Society, particularly
63.69-73 and 60.239.

In there you will find his opinions on Kur/Abzu/Asag, along with his comparisons between Sumerian and Babylonian literature. Don't go to wiki for this kind of stuff, go to the source.

And don't be so lazy, kid.

Nope.
You see, Pepsi, I've had students like you before.
Lazy.
I told you where to find it. I told you how to find it.
But, I'm not going to do all the work for you.

I am not your student.
With what you teach I can only see your students have problems, you also mixed the pairs wrong.
Beyond that I would never take lessons from a satanist, it's against my being.
Satan teaches perverted things, as in "twisted"

Yes, He is.
Deity/place
Freshwater areas
Enki's temple.

Three different things, all of them Abzu.

Enki's temple is just the entrence to the abzu, like a door, the temple is also symbolic and represents the entering into the abyss.

I'm not going to sit here and transcribe ANE textbooks and articles for you, Pepsi.
I've given you the references.
Stop being lazy.

It's clear that what you state is invalid, with no material presented.

In there you will find his opinions on Kur/Abzu/Asag, along with his comparisons between Sumerian and Babylonian literature. Don't go to wiki for this kind of stuff, go to the source.

The abzu is the watery abyss, it has nothing to do with deities, they may live in the abzu but they are not the abzu, nammu her self lives in the abyss, this would make her also come from the abyss.

First the abyss, then her then the rest of the gods. This would mean that she also was made from the abzu, and the gods were made from her. Humans were made/fashoned from the abzu, this makes the abzu a sort of life water that god made. It is interesting that in other books this entities fall into the abyss, like many books, bible, the book of enoch.

reply to post by pepsi78

I am not your student.

Yes, thankfully for me, otherwise I'd be depressed.
If you were, however, you wouldn't be so ignorant.

With what you teach I can only see your students have problems, you also mixed the pairs wrong.

I didn't mix up anything, and neither did Kramer and Speiser.
It's you who is woefully mixed up, kid.

Beyond that I would never take lessons from a satanist, it's against my being.
Satan teaches perverted things, as in "twisted"

Well, that's because you are biased, prejudiced, and small-minded.

It's clear that what you state is invalid, with no material presented

PLENTY of material presented, from the most reputable sources possible in this area of study. It's not my fault that you are lazy and deliberately obtuse.

The abzu is the watery abyss, it has nothing to do with deities, they may live in the abzu but they are not the abzu, nammu her self lives in the abyss, this would make her also come from the abyss.

First the abyss, then her then the rest of the gods. This would mean that she also was made from the abzu, and the gods were made from her. Humans were made/fashoned from the abzu, this makes the abzu a sort of life water that god made. It is interesting that in other books this entities fall into the abyss, like many books, bible, the book of enoch.

THREE ABZUS

Enki's temple
Freshwater areas on land
ABZU/KUR/ASAG deity/place.

Yes, thankfully for me, otherwise I'd be depressed.
If you were, however, you wouldn't be so ignorant.

What you preach you preach wrong.

Well, that's because you are biased, prejudiced, and small-minded.

Small minded has nothing to do with it, you got the per-verted "version"
I saw that when you mixed the pairs, you mixed the same kind with the same kind.

PLENTY of material presented, from the most reputable sources possible in this area of study. It's not my fault that you are lazy and deliberately obtuse.

No, you have to present it here, make your case, otherwise what you say has no cover.

THREE ABZUS

Enki's temple
Freshwater areas on land
ABZU/KUR/ASAG deity/place.

Enki's temple debunked, it's just a entrance into the abzu.
Deity debunked, there is no deified version in sumer of the abzu, further more it is not who you state.
This leaves us with the original ABZU.

reply to post by pepsi78

Now, now Pepsi Dear…

Don’t blow a gasket. Take a deep breath.

And TRY to think clearly for a change on this Thread.

But first, here’s some pertinent Dialogue from a popular film which seems very apropos to your current befuddled frame of mind (and you DO like films, don’t you?)

DOROTHY: (frustrated)
Are you doing that on Purpose…or can’t you make up your mind?

SCARECROW:
That’s just the Trouble – I CAN’T make up my mind: I haven’t got a Brain !

DOROTHY: (skeptical)
How can you talk if you ‘haven’t got a Brain…’?

SCARECROW: (trying to think hard for a second)
I don’t know. But…some people without Brains do an AWFUL LOT of talking !

[--from the final Shooting Script (Screenplay) of The Wizard of Oz, Screenplay (11th revision), November, 1938 by John Lee Mahin, Florence Ryerson, Noel Langley, Edgar Allan Woolf & E.Y. Harburg with additional material provided by Jacob Mintz, Ogden Nash, Sid Silvers, William H. Cannon, Herman Mankiewicz, Irvin Brecker andSam Hoffstein.]

Personally, I prefer what the great Mozart used to say to Franzl ‘Snai’ Suessmayr, his sometime obtuse pupil-copyist: Ey, da stehen die Oxschen wieder am Berg ! Das verstehst du noch lange nicht? !!

But then you have no familiarity with late 18th century German, so I must press on…but one must keep one’self amused, don’t-cha-know…

I must say that it amazes me no end when I see persons (such as yourself) claiming to know things that they patently do NOT understand, and then try and backpaddle in a vain attempt to cover up their ignorance and befuddlement.

But there is not time on ATS for such nonsense, so I would caution you to avoid it in future, if you would please. I have been patient so far, but my patience is now running thin on this thread, and I would like to see some hard facts from you (or anyone else) that is germane to our discussion of the possible Masonic relation between the ideas re: Jabulon and Sophia/Baphomet, etc.

Now back to your befuddlement. Again, for the nth time, EL is NOT LATIN, it is a rough English transliteration (look it up if you don’t know what it means) of the paleoHebrew word ‘qL (Aleph + Lamed) which has NO English and NO Latin equivalent- beginning with a guttural letter (Aleph) which is foreign to both English and Latin alphabets.

Did you not even know that?

So why did you waste 50+ posts trying to claim that EL means HIM in Latin, when the word is Paleo Hebrew and is cognate with the Ugaritig ‘qllu, meaning generically ‘divine-Power’, ‘invisible-Force’, ‘Nature’s Will’ etc. or as a proper Noun (look it up) meaning, Bull-EL, the chief deity of the Ugaritic Pantheon (the head of a family at least 70 (and as many as 240, depending on the Ugartic Divine List you consult, and discounting certain overlapping & syncretistic denotions) different / separate clan-gods – reflected in say, Exodus chapter 32:8ff

32: 8-9: “When the EL ELYON (EL Most High) apportioned out the Borders of the Gentiles, in the day when he divided the sons of Adam, he fixed the boundaries of the [seventy] Nations according to the number of the gods; and YHWH’s own portion fell to his own People, even to Jacob his allotted Share…”

Where it appears that YHWH (i.e. Yahweh) is assumed to be one of the 70 Sons of the Canaanite Chief god EL-ELYON of Ugarit (EL also had a shrine in Jebus, apparently, if you believe the Melek-Tzaddiq story in Gen 15).

So EL does NOT Equal YHWH – at least according to the Torah (Exod 32) – EL seems to be the FATHER of YHWH just as he was seen to be the FATHER of Ba’al and M’ot etal.

So stop trying to fudge your way into parsing Latin pronouns you didn’t even know existed – if you want to start parsing Latin pronouns, you can begin with IS, EA, ID and take it from there. Consult Wheelock if that’s all you can do, but stop spouting ignorant garbage on this ATS thread, please.

I hope by now you have looked up the word SYNCRETISM and have gained a little knowledge about ancient Cannanite religion. If not, consult some of the experts in the field, e.g. Prof. Gregorio del Olmo Lete (‘The Canaanite Religion according to the Liturgical Texts, trans. Wilfred G.E. Watson, Eisenbrauns CDL Press, 2004, ISBN 1-57506-089-2) or A. Caquot and M,. Sznycer ‘Ugaritic Religion’ , Leiden, 1980, Iconography of Religions, XV:8) etal.

But back to a more coherent line of discussion: with other examples of Syncretism mentioned (YHWH + Elohim becoming a single clan-god YHWH-ELOHIM, ‘The LORD-God’ in Canaan, or Amun + Re becoming the single god AMUN-RE or HAPI (Gk. Apis) and WUSIR (Gr. Osiris) becoming the single god SERAPIS in Egypt (and exported abroad to places like Rome), wwe can see also that Jabulon is comprised of THREE separate deities (gods) into ONE:

YHWH (Yahweh or Jahweh) + Ba’al + [Am]on.

The Greek version of Amun-Ra ( Gk. ‘To-On’ = lit. ‘the One’) was worshipped as the Sun god at Hiyyunu (Gk. Heliopolis, The City of the Sun) which occurs in the later interpolations within the ‘Hebrew Bible’ as the City of On (possibly to avoid using the name of the god of Egypt, i.e. Amon Re – the Hebrew editors in their sacred scriptures often mangled names on purpose, e.g. Baalzebul (‘lord of wisdom’) became Baaelzebub (‘lord of excrement-bugs’)…

All three of these separate gods (smashed syncretistically into one single god Jabulon by the Freemasons reaching the dreaded 33rd Degree) were creator gods in the Levant all of whom were connected in some way with Sexual Procreation Energy and (shall we say) the more Fertile Processes of Nature – Yahweh plus Baal plus Amon Ra - as was the physical representation of the bisexual androgynous male-female Gnostic SOPHIA god Baphomet (ATBASH Gematrial cipher for SOPHIA, arcane-wisdom or Knowledge) with its cadeusus penis and its breasts etc.

Now…having written all of this out for you to read (but concentrate and read this post over a few times, please) , does this in anyway allay your evident confusion over how Syncretism actually worked in the ancient (and modern !) world?

Or are you still going to post 50+ more silly extracts from heaven-knows-where to try and prove that (‘qL / EL) in the Hebrew Scriptures is actually LATIN (perhaps you were confusing the Latin language as spoken by the Romans with Ladino, but still that’s no excuse for your fudging with hard facts…and your posing as an expert which even a child can see through...come on now, get serious, we're not going to be patient with your addle-brained and random pseudo-academic meanderings extracted from google links for ever, you know... )

Originally posted by Sigismundus
reply to post by pepsi78

Now, now Pepsi Dear…

Don’t blow a gasket. Take a deep breath.

And TRY to think clearly for a change on this Thread.

I am more relaxed that you can think. Some times I laugh out loud on what I see here.

But first, here’s some pertinent Dialogue from a popular film which seems very apropos to your current befuddled frame of mind (and you DO like films, don’t you?)

DOROTHY: (frustrated)
Are you doing that on Purpose…or can’t you make up your mind?

SCARECROW:
That’s just the Trouble – I CAN’T make up my mind: I haven’t got a Brain !

DOROTHY: (skeptical)
How can you talk if you ‘haven’t got a Brain…’?

SCARECROW: (trying to think hard for a second)
I don’t know. But…some people without Brains do an AWFUL LOT of talking !

None of what you say is on subject

Did you not even know that?

So why did you waste 50+ posts trying to claim that EL means HIM in Latin, when the word is Paleo Hebrew and is cognate with the Ugaritig ‘qllu, meaning generically ‘divine-Power’, ‘invisible-Force’, ‘Nature’s Will’ etc. or as a proper Noun (look it up) meaning, Bull-EL, the chief deity of the Ugaritic Pantheon (the head of a family at least 70 (and as many as 240, depending on the Ugartic Divine List you consult, and discounting certain overlapping & syncretistic denotions) different / separate clan-gods – reflected in say, Exodus chapter 32:8ff

Because it means HE, GOD, Masculine. The name can be seen hebrew. The name HE-BREW, BREW from to make to brew bred for example.

This can also be seen in the name ISRA-EL, as all the angels are named the same and end with an EL.
Even satan was Satan-el, or Sataniel, just like all the other angels.
Adriel
Ambriel
Ariel
Azazel
Azrael
And the list go's on
This coming from the term of ANG-EL or ARCANGH-EL

Now stop being ignorant.

Everything you posted we have been over.

www.cartage.org.lb...
The name El (the High, He, God) later may become one of the Lord of Jews, Jehovah, then of Muslim's Allah.

This means the hight, then it means HE, and also GOD
THE HIGH, HE, GOD.

The name ISRA-EL means HE who done things, it would mean a HE who has carried out something, because of the ISRA-EL. HE.

reply to post by pepsi78


Pepsi dear, you're off your meds and need to get back on track...

The quote from the Wizard of Oz was very pertinent to YOU...go and read it over again.

The term 'Hebrew' is a transliteration of a foreign hamito-Shemitic root and in no way does it mean 'HE-brewed' as in ingredients for Bread etc..as you claim.

Are you on crack? Or locked up somewhere, in a place where the walls are say, padded?

It may come from the Root 'qBR - 'to move across' or 'wander' or 'act like a nomad' which is rougly equivalent to the ancient Egyptian word for land-grabbing Nomads
('Hapiru').

Again, don't try to make up silly etymologies from English transliterations of foreign words.

And try to be serious...your posts are a tissue of childish nonsense...which I suspect you must know deep down... or (sadly) maybe you don't !!!!!

Where it appears that YHWH (i.e. Yahweh) is assumed to be one of the 70 Sons of the Canaanite Chief god EL-ELYON of Ugarit (EL also had a shrine in Jebus, apparently, if you believe the Melek-Tzaddiq story in Gen 15).

So EL does NOT Equal YHWH – at least according to the Torah (Exod 32) – EL seems to be the FATHER of YHWH just as he was seen to be the FATHER of Ba’al and M’ot etal.

That is because his father was also an EL, thin can be seen in the bible when YAHWEH addresses the most hight El-yon as he is seen as a child, then later Yahweh is an EL-Y-ON, he is described as EL-Y-ON
EL-YAHWEH EL-YON.


EL-Y-ON EL-YAHWEH-ON.

ELYON would mean HE the most high.
For BA'AL from AL=EL in arabic, EL is AL. As in allah, translated it is ELLAH.

The name just like quoted by me can be found in the bible as EL-YAHWEH

Yahweh was originally combined with El as "El-Yahweh", like "El-Shaddai" and "El-Elyon" - El was the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon, and El-Yahweh is still found in a few places in the Old Testament

Pepsi dear, you're off your meds and need to get back on track...

The quote from the Wizard of Oz was very pertinent to YOU...go and read it over again.

The term 'Hebrew' is a transliteration of a foreign hamito-Shemitic root and in no way does it mean 'HE-brewed' as in ingredients for Bread etc..as you claim.

Are you on crack? Or locked up somewhere, in a place where the walls are say, padded?

It may come from the Root 'qBR - 'to move across' or 'wander' or 'act like a nomad' which is rougly equivalent to the ancient Egyptian word for land-grabbing Nomads
('Hapiru').

Again, don't try to make up silly etymologies from English transliterations of foreign words.

And try to be serious...your posts are a tissue of childish nonsense...which I suspect you must know deep down... or (sadly) maybe you don't !!!!!

I have been over the story step by step with you.

32: 8-9: “When the EL ELYON (EL Most High) apportioned out the Borders of the Gentiles, in the day when he divided the sons of Adam, he fixed the boundaries of the [seventy] Nations according to the number of the gods; and YHWH’s own portion fell to his own People, even to Jacob his allotted Share…”

Yes that is not Yahweh, but Yahweh is also ELYON.

From the bible talking about Yahweh

Psalm 89:27 — "'I will also appoint him my firstborn, the highest [elyon] of the kings of the earth.'" (WEB)

Yahweh as elyon again

Psalm 7:17 — "I will give thanks to Yahweh according to His righteousness, and will sing praise to the name of Yahweh Most High [Elyon].

Yahweh elyon again

Psalm 83:18 — "That they may know that You alone, whose name is Yahweh, are the Most High [Elyon] over all the earth." (WEB)

Psalm 97:9 — "For you, Yahweh, are most high [Elyon] above all the earth.

Yahweh not as elyon, elyon someone bigger.

2 Samuel 22:14 — "Yahweh thundered from heaven, the Most High [Elyon] uttered His voice." (WEB)

So we see that Elyon is applied also to Jehovah and that Jehovah is addressed by EL-yon. Jehovah is not the only Elyon, there is of course another Elyon higher than Jehovah. But what can be concluded is that Jehovah can be identified with the phonician EL.

reply to post by pepsi78

Small minded has nothing to do with it, you got the per-verted "version"
I saw that when you mixed the pairs, you mixed the same kind with the same kind.

Biased, prejudiced and incorrect is no way to go through life, kid.
I feel sorry for you.

No, you have to present it here, make your case, otherwise what you say has no cover.

Everything I have told, I have provided exact sources for.
But, because this would involve some detailed research on your behalf, you're not willing to do it.
So, so lazy, Pepsi.

Enki's temple debunked, it's just a entrance into the abzu.
Deity debunked, there is no deified version in sumer of the abzu, further more it is not who you state.
This leaves us with the original ABZU.

No, it doesn't.
You're now not only showing your ignorance of the Sumerian mythology, you are also showing your ignorance of both the Sumerian, and the English language.
I do feel sorry for you.
I am a qualified professional, and you will not learn from me.
This is small-mindedness.
I am always willing to learn from anyone qualified to teach me.

And I also feel sorry that you won't learn from AugustusMasonicus or Sigismundus, because they both know exactly what they're talking about. I've learned a lot from them in this thread, and I thank them for it.

Biased, prejudiced and incorrect is no way to go through life, kid.
I feel sorry for you.

I see, ran out of arguments, started to use something else, why don't you bring the source and post it here so we can debate.

Everything I have told, I have provided exact sources for.
But, because this would involve some detailed research on your behalf, you're not willing to do it.
So, so lazy, Pepsi.

This is your way of avoiding a horrible defeat, I see, in your view it's a tragedy. (tragic event) as a professor

No, it doesn't.
You're now not only showing your ignorance of the Sumerian mythology, you are also showing your ignorance of both the Sumerian, and the English language.
I do feel sorry for you.
I am a qualified professional, and you will not learn from me.
This is small-mindedness.
I am always willing to learn from anyone qualified to teach me.

Qualified profesional, bahahah.
Don';t want to sound too harsh but ok, if that is your most high opinion of your self.

And I also feel sorry that you won't learn from AugustusMasonicus or Sigismundus, because they both know exactly what they're talking about. I've learned a lot from them in this thread, and I thank them for it.

Augustus is wrong dear, was wrong about many things, he flamed because of the X discussion we had here with the english word "ADVERSION" you see he did not know it existed, so he flamed on the next one, only to lose again, not that I want to be a winner, but when I see people flaming just to be right, it's when I show them they are not always like they thing they are.

Don't mistake me for a winner, I don't like to be one, just like to point out some facts.

Originally posted by pepsi78
Augustus is wrong dear, was wrong about many things...

Pepsella, I will admit, my grasp on Ficto-Latin is tenuous at best. I do appreciate the effort you applied to educate everyone in this subject, particularly myself. My major problem was trying to keep up with the ever-shifting rules regarding...well, everything. I was happy, though, when you promptly responded to my queries in real Latin which you did so in a timel........oh, wait.

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There is nothing to admit, you have been proven wrong, it's there covered with the suffix.

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OK, dude, you keep telling yourself that.
All the previous scholars in myriad subjects discussed here were wrong, and you are right.
Even though you can't tell the difference between Dumuzi and Enlil, don't understand evolving religions, can't grasp the idea of anthropomorphic personification, and can't speak a word of Latin.