The Afterlife Revealed... Step By Step

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What exactly am I afraid of? You made a claim that "These People" (AKA those who don't agree with her) are afraid inside.

Originally posted by raymundokoWhat exactly am I afraid of? You made a claim that "These People" (AKA those who don't agree with her) are afraid inside.

Well ray, since you have been peer reviewed, and were gracious in your last post, I will clarify what I mean there. Those "who don't agree with her" is not to whom I was referring. To hold out doubt, is to not agree. To ponder the unknown and allow it to remain unknown, or better yet - to call for courageous science around the issue, are all 'not to agree.' But they are ethical positions, inside of which I hold no problem.

To whom I was referring were those who arrogantly declare the science complete or definitive, or that their religion has authority as a trump card over science, and that their religious book has ruled the subject out. In this defensive reaction set, I believe, resides an odd and deep seated anger and fear over the subject. A terror that drives certain people to irrational flights of bitterness, domineering nature and judgement towards anyone who would dare ponder the subject seriously.

It is a curious thing, and something which I study on the side.

And this subject is clearly undecided. I am comfortable with that. But I am not comfortable with those who would attempt to block the science and call everyone idiots.

Originally posted by TheEthicalSkeptic

Originally posted by King Loki

"we" are just entertaining ourselves in the office now laughing at your guys responses and the refusal to read the science yourself ... deliberately making yourself stupid seems pretty counter intuitive to me ... but hey call me crazy haha

No,

I think Akragon has it nailed. You are just a kid.

Good night. LOL!!

edit on 18-8-2013 by TheEthicalSkeptic because: (no reason given)

Oh i see you joined a few months ago ... tells the entire story .. you have not been on this site long enough to have seen material we have already posted in regard to this subject ... but you wont read that either I'd assume as we have already found that you cherry pick your information to suit yourself rather then looking for any real truth ... dont even know why you joined this site with an attitude like that

Yeah, I just joined a few months ago. But even more curious is YOUR history....Here is a post of yours from 2010, before the BIG gap in your participation here:

Conclusion

Well all I'm doing here is presenting some facts and I never like to tell people what to think,

But i think there is a very strong case in regards the the crop circles and I have no idea why none of these phenomenons are researched a lot more, They seem to have extreme implications on our lives our reality and our spirituality. I have a lot of information here so I wont try and kill you with boredom with a long drawn out conclusion.

Thanks for listening

Crop Circles? Strong Case?

Where did all this arrogant representation of science, and 'I am a medical scientist' stuff go?
How did your writing style change so dramatically after the long gap in ATS attendance?
Why all of a sudden the torrid flurry of angry very troll-like posts since you came back two months ago?
Curious changes with respect to 'I never like to tell people what to think' since 2010 ?????
Curious changes of your ontology of the paranormal since 2010.
Curious changes of ethics on the handling of data since 2010.
Curious changes of ethics with regard to respecting other people with whom you converse, since 2010.
A big shift to focus on pharmacology since 2010.
A BIG shift from "our spirituality" ??? to this new abject angry atheism you spouted in this thread
A big shift from "smile and thanks" and tolerance to arrogant and insulting behavior as your style since June 2013 ?????????.

And where the heck did this Aussie slang come from since the hiatus after 2010, that you never exhibited before?

You made an awfully big change in that 2 year hiatus.. to whatever it is that you are now.....

reply to post by TheEthicalSkeptic


Personally i find it highly amusing that a "medical scientist" would have nothing better to do at work other then sit on ATS for hours laughing at the replies with his collaegues as he stated

Seems more like an activity best persued from one's parent's basement...

Originally posted by DerekJR321
To be on topic.. ahem..

After life can only be answered by ones belief system. If you believe in an after life.. then you do. If you do not.. then you choose to believe there is nothing.

The fact of the matter is, there is absolutely ZERO point in arguing about who is right or wrong. No one living knows the answer.

In essence this is of course correct and as someone who BELIEVES in an afterlife I think it is also fair to grant others THEIR belief.

However, as I pointed out a few times..there HAVE BEEN studies done and some of them by reputable scientists and researchers. Once you have hundreds or thousands of NDE accounts or a large number of children who remember a "former life" you CAN NOT simply disregard this.

Here, some more food for thought:

Recently I am rather interested in the topic of EVP or "trans-communication". There are also countless of rather interesting books out there, although (not surprisingly) the entire subject is shunned by science. Of course this also applies to topics like mediums, channeling etc.

WHAT..if only ONE, ONE SINGLE CASE happens where someone claims "to communicate" with the afterlife (spirits, deceased etc.) and that person has no doubt in their mind they hear the voice of someone deceased PLUS get plenty of information where there is none, absolutely zero "logical explanation" such as hallucination because the "spirit" voice gives 100% verifiable information which is impossible to obtain otherwise.

Want examples? Go read some books on EVP/ITC. Is it all a hoax? Are they all deluded? At some point..numbers and statistics would simply be in favor of the "more esoteric" explanation, and this regardless whether science "agrees" with it or not. Then it does not simply stay a "belief system" like something taught in Church...but something where studies are done and where there is in fact evidence. (I am not saying proof, but evidence).

In this field it is similar as in the field of UFOlogy, 85% of nonsense doesn't invalidate the entire subject, it still leaves the non-explainable cases.

Back on topic...

I actually read the first two chapters of the book ' The Afterlife of Billy Fingers'.

She writes about him describing being in space after leaving the chamber/ tunnel. Billy also mentioned to her about feeling bliss, and a healing of all pain - emotional, physical, etc.

I've read too many account where a tunnel/ chamber was described, but rarely one about being in space. So I'm guessing this is what his spirit needed/ wanted to see before moving on to the next step.

I don't post often. However, this subject is of great interest to me and one that I've researched and read a lot about because of the death of my daughter, 22 years ago. I'm still not sure what my personal beliefs are regarding life after death but I'm very glad there are many more open minded scientists than some that have posted here!

I've never actually met a scientist that talks in such a definitive way, as some posting here. I've found most seem to relish in new theories leading to new discoveries which lead to new theories which lead to new discoveries. I think most would be very disappointed if they suddenly had all the answers in their field. Of course, there are always breakthroughs in science but even then it leads to more questions which in turn may lead to further breakthroughs. Neuroscience is especially fascinating to me and although advances are being made we're only just beginning on the journey and I certainly don't expect them to come up with definite conclusions to everything, during my lifetime.

I'm not a scientist and don't have any letters after my name. My credentials are my 44 years of life experience and I'd like to share some of my 'on topic' experiences with you.

Firstly, when I was very young I used to see colours floating around. They were always different shapes and sizes and would seem to morph into each other and change shape and colour. I suppose it was a bit like watching a lava lamp. Whenever I mentioned this to my mum she'd tell me I was over tired and/or had an over active imagination. At some point I stopped seeing the colours and would guess it was when I was aged 11 or 12. I didn't even notice that I'd stopped seeing them until much later in my life when I began questioning why we're here, what's it all about, where did we come from, etc, etc. Since I remembered the colours, I've tried to see them again and very rarely do I sometimes catch a glimpse out of the corner of my eye but I'm never sure if it's just my imagination because I definitely can't look at them directly and be mesmerised by them like I used to be.

When I was in my late teens I learned that my mum had an oobe whilst in labour with me. She doesn't like to talk about it so it's a subject that isn't discussed. She also had vivid dreams, as a child, of strange beings coming to get her and take her away. They had bodies of humans and very large heads of teddy bears or fluffy rabbits, etc. These dreams were so frightening, real and vivid to her that they still terrify her to this day. She grew up in a house were her dad was Catholic and her mum Church of England. Her dad was a practicing Catholic but her mum never went to church except for the usual family gatherings. My mum rebelled against Catholicism and considers herself an Athiest. My dad didn't grow up in a religious household and also considers himself an Athiest. Because of their beliefs neither me or my brother were baptised in any religion.

I used to ask my grandad many questions about his faith but as a teenager I can remember saying I wasn't interested in knowing about a vengeful, jealous God. Those biblical descriptions of God just didn't ring true with me so I began researching many religions but never subscribed to any one in particular.

When I was in my early 20s my first daughter was stillborn. I knew she'd died before labour had to be induced and after I held her in my arms I felt an overwhelming urge to have her baptised. The hospital Chaplin agreed to do the service that afternoon but asked me why. I told him it was because of the stories from my Catholic grandad and I wanted to make sure she could go to Heaven. I still wasn't sure Heaven existed (I'm still not) but taking a gamble with my life seemed acceptable but I couldn't do it with my daughter's. My Athiest dad told me, years later, that he spent most of my labour praying the doctors had made a mistake. He'd never prayed before and he's never prayed since. It's amazing how going through a trauma like mine changes a persons views, emotions, feelings. Logic tells me that if there is a God then he/she/it would not have left my daughter abandoned! Grief can do funny things to us.

Weeks later I was lying in bed feeling very low when suddenly small balls of light started appearing out of nowhere and were dancing all over the end of my bed. I'd never heard of orbs then but they match the description. Months later I visited a medium who mentioned this incident to me and when I confirmed it had happened she said it was an aunt who I'd spent a lot of time with as a child, trying to raise my spirit. She also told me my daughter's soul wasn't ready to be born and had to 'go back'.

Am I any closer to real solid answers about life after death? No, but until it can be proven otherwise then I will continue to believe that I will one day meet my daughter again. If that means I'm considered to have a mental disorder, by some, then so be it.

Originally posted by Toadmund
So, if some day a person that has been completely dead for a couple hours was brought back thanks to science, and said they experienced nothing.

There are people who die and come back and say they remember nothing. So what? That doesnt' invalidate the experiences of those who DO. In fact, it proves that what happens when the body dies is different for everyone and it's not a standard physical experience. If many people do experience things, and some dont, that tends to validate those who do experience things.

Would you say;

I'd say nothing. It is what it is. Why would I say anything?

How far can denial go?

Right back atchya.

up to 15% of the world population has experienced an NDE
That's not 15% of people who have died and come back ... that's 15% of the entire population.
I don't know what the percentage is of people who have died and come back who have
experienced NDEs .... I'm googling that now ...

Originally posted by sled735
reply to post by Rainbowresidue

 

That's what I believe too. I have never heard of anything beyond Heaven.
Things in the book took me by surprise. But, for the most part, it sounds logical. It covers all the different religious beliefs, and even some figures I've heard described in my paranormal thread.

I thought it was a fantastic read. Do I believe it all? I don't know. Something to think about.

What about the battle for the soul by negative forces. I've read in "The Book of Dead" that there is a time ( a few days) where the negative forces can try to trick the soul into falling into it's traps. Any mention of this process in the book?
By the way, the whole process sounds like fun!

We live, we die and then we get to do it all over again. Dont take my word for it, read the Tibetan book of the dead.
Written 1200 years ago, if they got it wrong would these people still be practicing their faith and disciplines.
Anyway no-one here truly has an answer as we are all currently alive, and meaningless I am so sad for your lack of any belief other than such a negative one. I hope that something positive and not so meaningless comes along to give you something to feel happy about.

reply to post by wrkn4livn


Hi there.
Unfortunately I haven't read the whole book, so I cannot answer you.
But Sled may pop in later and answer your question. She has the book too.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing


When the body falls away, and the spirit moves beyond, it goes to whatever place it imagined as a human PERIOD. If you think you are going to meet 72 virgins you will. If you believe nothing exists after death you will experience that. NOT FOREVER, just the place you are most comfortable with. All things change after "the resting period". You will be brought into counsel and your life as you lived it (the latest and greatest) will be picked apart--what did you learn, did you untangle the secret of being a human in the first place; that being your job this time around..of course you didnt. You have/had all knowledge before being born AGAIN (sigh) but you simply dont remember your contract (that being the progression of your soul).

How do you know this, where did you get this information from?
72 virgins sounds good to me!

Really is this something that you know about, or is this wishful thinking?
I hope you didn't just pull this out of your rear end.

You seem to be knowledgeable about this and I am hoping you can fill me in on the facts by letting me in on your source of information.
Thanks.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by TheEthicalSkeptic

 

Personally i find it highly amusing that a "medical scientist" would have nothing better to do at work other then sit on ATS for hours laughing at the replies with his collaegues as he stated

Seems more like an activity best persued from one's parent's basement...

edit on 19-8-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

Heck most, if not all are on ats out of boredom,
so the medic may just be killing his / her boredom

-->Originally posted by King Loki


Can you show/link me the scientific journal that confirms we have a spirit ??
Because if you cannot you are basing your entire statement on something that you have made up in your own head basically.

Originally posted by wrkn4livn

Originally posted by sled735
reply to post by Rainbowresidue

 

That's what I believe too. I have never heard of anything beyond Heaven.
Things in the book took me by surprise. But, for the most part, it sounds logical. It covers all the different religious beliefs, and even some figures I've heard described in my paranormal thread.

I thought it was a fantastic read. Do I believe it all? I don't know. Something to think about.

What about the battle for the soul by negative forces. I've read in "The Book of Dead" that there is a time ( a few days) where the negative forces can try to trick the soul into falling into it's traps. Any mention of this process in the book?
By the way, the whole process sounds like fun!

edit on 19-8-2013 by wrkn4livn because: Add text

Yes, he explains this in the book. Well... he explains how and why people came to believe this. According to him, it isn't true. You can purchase a copy at Amazon.com. The link is in my OP.

reply to post by Toadmund


Discoveries in Physics Prove we Possess a Soul


www.cfpf.org.uk...

Hi,
I'm not a scientist, but I did a little searching around and I found this website and thought it may interest you.

Good morning. I had to work overtime this morning, so I'm about 5 hours late getting on here. Which means I won't have time to post the studies I've read. I need my beauty sleep.

I don't think I will do it anyway. I see you all have been going at it all night, and still going at. So... it wouldn't make any difference anyway.

I will post answers to questions that are relevant to my OP, but anything else going on here is a waste of my time, and I will ignore posts off topic. :shk:

Originally posted by Rainbowresidue
reply to post by Toadmund

 

Discoveries in Physics Prove we Possess a Soul


www.cfpf.org.uk...

Hi,
I'm not a scientist, but I did a little searching around

and I found this website and thought it may interest you.

You go, Girl!!!!

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Thank you, thank you, thank you * takes a bow*
Now I need a coffee.

Will be back later