What is the last lie of the "devil"?

reply to post by SaturnFX


God has given us free will, and the result of that free will he gave us is how the world is shape today which is chaotic but its not his fault its ours because we made the choice of what we wanted to do after he laid down the law on how we should live

reply to post by Jonjonj


The fear of God leads you into living a holy life and therefore your life will be more abundant than a short chaotic life, because every sin you make there is an opposite negative result especially if you haven't received Jesus Christ. THE DEVIL SATAN THAT OLD LIER IS AN ANCIENT DECIEVER, DONT BE DECIEVED.

Originally posted by 2WitnessesArrived
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Easy, Satan will never profess Jesus Christ coming in the flesh and dying on cross for the sins of many.

Says who? First off, if you lie about the whole just believe in me and confess and your sins are forgiven immediately invalidates the sacrifice requirements of atonement passed on by god to moses (the kill a bird, a ox, etc). Now, if someone doesn't atone for their sins, they go to hell.

What a perfect way than to change the rules of atonement as a lie, and let countless people not enter heaven because they followed the words of the mock avatar verses what was written in the OT?

If Christ truly did die for the sins of all people / all time, then confession itself is redundant...its already forgiven, all one has to do is accept.

Stop for just a moment and think about these things.

The devil isn't really a being, it is a trait of humans. It is the trait of the deceivers. Many times people do not even know they are deceiving others, they parrot information that is not fully true and many times this information has misapplied scientific evidence to back it. Usually this is done because people want prestige, wealth, or power. Other times misinformation is passed without investigation just because someone with prestige said it.

Not all deceit is bad, and I doubt if we can actually even know the whole truth since we have been programmed for so many generations. Deceit gets us to eat foods that make us dumbed down so we cannot challenge the deceivers.

Just an observation, no facts to back it up. Just studying motives and what I see going on.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I REBUKE YOU SATAN IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, blessed are those who don't see but still believe. What will you say wene you see the many plagues falling down on earth just as proffesed in the book of Revelations and see the KING OF KINGS coming from the sky. YOUR PHILOSOPHICAL WORDS STILL WONT BE ENOUGH FOR YOU CAN TO ENTER IN TO HEAVEN, ONLY ACCEPTING SALVATION THREW JESUS CHRIST.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Dare I say?

Hope and change!

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Originally posted by 2WitnessesArrived
reply to post by Jonjonj

 

The fear of God leads you into living a holy life and therefore your life will be more abundant than a short chaotic life, because every sin you make there is an opposite negative result especially if you haven't received Jesus Christ. THE DEVIL SATAN THAT OLD LIER IS AN ANCIENT DECIEVER, DONT BE DECIEVED.

I am sorry, but I perceive this kind of dogma as a threat. I truly would not like to believe in an all knowing, all encompassing god who resorted to a simple threat, to a simple, helpless person like me. Now, if every sin is reciprocated by an equal but opposite cleansing, I assume you mean that although it is quite difficult to grasp from this quote "because every sin you make there is an opposite negative result especially if you haven't received Jesus Christ. " then I would quite like to know why so many crimes go unavenged, from personal to world-wide in scale. Perhaps that is not what you meant.

reply to post by rickymouse


THE TRUTH IS IN OUR FACE, THE BIBLE. Satan could never destroy THE WORD OF GOD AND NEVER WILL, THATS HOW POWERFULL GOD IS. The truth is in your heart, but its up to you to believe it, THATS THE TEST, NOW WILL YOU PASS OR FAIL, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU THINK GOD IS WRONG IT STILL WONT CHANGE YOUR FATE ON JUDGMENT DAY, WHICH YOU CREATED BY CHOSEN TO ACCEPT JESUS
CHRIST OR not.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


This reminds me of the paradox of your father really being from the future and your grandfather/ grandson some 65 years and meeting your mom and she gets pregnant. He would not have existed in the future without your lineage and so how did he really come into being if you came first?

Let me add a different twist. God created all things and therefore all energy exists because of God. After the millennial kingdom, Lucifer is released a short season, then the great judgement that some will take part in the second resurrection and all those who reject the path of love will go into the lake of fire along with Satan, and then that itself will be consumed by God. So, energy never disappears, it just changes. In this case it goes back to the source of that energy.

Since the source is self existing, of course Satan existed, and it was all for the purpose of of learning Love to be full partners with God in the end or become one in essence though not thought and remembrance.

reply to post by 2WitnessesArrived


The Devil is a collective consciousness of people of a kind. I suppose you could call it an entity. Satan is different, he appears to be a being of some sort, I personally think he is under the control of god. He is the one who gives the tests to see if we are worthy. I do not know much about Lucifer, it appears to be some kind of entity. Same with Demons, I have to try to get more info on them that is not biast, but I do not think a demon can take over a good man very easily, one with faith in god and a respect for all living beings.

Then again, I suppose I will be visiting Satan someday, maybe Satan won't even want me. I'll be stuck on this earth as a ghost for eternity.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


FIRST OF THE WORD SATAN MEANS ENEMY, SO HOW CAN AN ENEMY MEAN ANY GOOD, THEREFORE EDUCATE YOURSELF A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE PERSON WHOM YOU ARE FOOLISHLY TRYING TO DEFEND.

reply to post by rickymouse


SATAN REFERS TO ALL THE FALLIN ANGELS WHO FELL FROM HEAVEN. THEY HAVE LOST THERE WONDERFULL GOD GIVEN NAMES WHICH WERE GRANTED UNTO THEM. SATAN DRAINS THE SPIRIT LIFE FORCE OF PEOPLE IN HELL THREW TORTURE, SO I DONT SEE WHY NOT CONSIDERING HE WANTS TO BE ALL POWERFULL

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

This reminds me of the paradox of your father really being from the future and your grandfather/ grandson some 65 years and meeting your mom and she gets pregnant. He would not have existed in the future without your lineage and so how did he really come into being if you came first?

Let me add a different twist. God created all things and therefore all energy exists because of God. After the millennial kingdom, Lucifer is released a short season, then the great judgement that some will take part in the second resurrection and all those who reject the path of love will go into the lake of fire along with Satan, and then that itself will be consumed by God. So, energy never disappears, it just changes. In this case it goes back to the source of that energy.

Since the source is self existing, of course Satan existed, and it was all for the purpose of of learning Love to be full partners with God in the end or become one in essence though not thought and remembrance.

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edit on 12-8-2013 by UnifiedSerenity because: had to work out the paradox

The paradox of which you speak, the so called grandmother paradox, is a thought experiment. However the different twist that you add is not paradoxical in any way. Could you explain it more clearly so that I understand it? All I see is creation and destruction, with no paradoxical issues at all

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I know you like the hidden nature of things. Try this robe on for size.

Above, we are Angels. Below, we are Children of God in a fallen state. Read Matthew 18 and you see the quantum entanglement chapter.

Matthew 18

At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

What are you asking here in this thread? You are asking who is the least and what is his latest lie? When you ask this question, are you asking the same: "Who is the Beast of Revelation?" You have read my threads, so you know my answer. The beast is the one with the mark of Carbon (6 Protons, 6 Electrons and 6 Neutrons). We are all the ones with the animal nature. Again, what are you asking? You are asking rank from top to bottom and actions taken by that ranked being.

Who are we in relation?

Matthew 18

10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

You are the Child below in a fallen state. Above, you are the Angel in a glorified state. As above, so below. Why do I stay as above and so below? Of course, we know the answer to what it implies, but do we really see it for what it is?

Below, we also have comparisons to imply the truth. Cain and Abel are good comparisons. Issac and Ishmael are good. Jacob and Esau are good. Who do they describe? Who does Jesus and Satan describe? YOU!! All of them are showing you above and below.

Now, just look at it from a literal standpoint. The Son of God is the Christ below. What is the difference? He is risen back to HIS glorified state. God above was the Angel of the Lord below. Why? The same reason we are Cain below and Abel above; Esau below and Jacob above and so on. All examples of dual nature represent us. We are the one loaf of bread. We bear the cup for the King below.

1 Corinthians 10

16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

Originally posted by 2WitnessesArrived
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

FIRST OF THE WORD SATAN MEANS ENEMY, SO HOW CAN AN ENEMY MEAN ANY GOOD, THEREFORE EDUCATE YOURSELF A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE PERSON WHOM YOU ARE FOOLISHLY TRYING TO DEFEND.

I think that the original name of Satan means to oppose or to obstruct. It was then used to mean enemy, etymologically only those who were "enemies" would use such a word, of course. One should not shout to get a point across, it takes weight from the argument.

reply to post by 2WitnessesArrived


I'm sorry, but I do not get that when I read the bible. I get that Satan is a tester of men, not actually a power hungry angel. If he was trying to seize control, why wouldn't god squash him, since he can. I think that Satan works for god to evaluate us. Maybe I am missing something, I have only read most of the bible two or three times. Maybe my mind is too open and I can't interpret it like some do.

reply to post by rickymouse


IT DOESNT MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU READ THE BIBLE, UNDERSTANDING COMES FROM GOD AND HE GIVES IT TO WHOM HE WILL. AND SATAN IS EXPERIMENTING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HE IS LOOKING TOWARDS WHEN HE WILL BE THROWN INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AND GETS FREED AFTER A THOUSAND YEARS, SO HE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO HIS ARMY DURING THE MATCH WENE THE KING OF KINGS COME DOWN AND HE LOSES NEITHER COULD HE CARE ABOUT RAJ PATEL WHICH IS GOING TO BE HIS FALSE CHRIST.


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Originally posted by 2WitnessesArrived
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

FIRST OF THE WORD SATAN MEANS ENEMY, SO HOW CAN AN ENEMY MEAN ANY GOOD, THEREFORE EDUCATE YOURSELF A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE PERSON WHOM YOU ARE FOOLISHLY TRYING TO DEFEND.

How's that "by the love you show one to another, they shall know you are my disciples" working out for you? I was presenting what the bible says will happen. I in no way defended Lucifer / Ha Satan. Your lack of fruit is evident in every post.

1Co 13:2 I may have the gift of prophecy, I may fathom all mysteries, know all things, have all faith — enough to move mountains; but if I lack love, I am nothing.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 humility, self control. Nothing in the Torah stands against such things.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


WE ARE NOT ANGELS, ANGELS AND MAN ARE 2 DIFFERENT SPECIES THATS WHY GOD CAUSED THE GREAT FLOOD AND THE REASON WHY MEN BACK BEFORE THE FLOOD WERE CORRUPT BECAUSE THEY MIXED IN HUMAN AND FALLING ANGELS THEREFORE MAKING A CORRUPT BREED
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