"Large ring found in Solar system" - (Apollo 8)

Originally posted by covertpanther
I tried the Ats search but couldnt find much related to this specific photograph.. it didnt help that there are a million different NASA or space threads either.

This is a photograph from the Apollo 8 Mission as claimed by the author of the webpage. I have never seen or heard of this image. Which is obviously why I'm bringing it to the Ats crowd, as I am sure someone here has more information on it. It would save me from going through many pages in the search engine.

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I have my own idea about what this may be. I was curious what you guys thought of it, and if we can figure out what it is.
Here is a little background on the Apollo 8 Mission to the Moon, and back:

Apollo 8, the second manned mission in the United States Apollo space program, was launched on December 21, 1968, and became the first manned spacecraft to leave Earth orbit, reach the Earth's Moon, orbit it and return safely to Earth. The three-astronaut crew — Commander Frank Borman, Command Module Pilot James Lovell, and Lunar Module Pilot William Anders — became the first humans to travel beyond low Earth orbit, the first to see Earth as a whole planet, and then the first to directly see the far side of the Moon. The 1968 mission, the third flight of the Saturn V rocket and the first manned launch of the Saturn V, was also the first manned launch from the John F. Kennedy Space Center, Florida, located adjacent to Cape Canaveral.

Originally planned as a second Lunar Module/Command Module test in an elliptical medium Earth orbit in early 1969, the mission profile was changed in August 1968 to a more ambitious Command Module-only lunar-orbital flight to be flown in December, because the Lunar Module (LM) was not yet ready to make its first flight. This meant Borman's crew was scheduled to fly two to three months sooner than originally planned, leaving them a shorter time for training and preparation, thus placing more demands than usual on their time and discipline.

Apollo 8 took three days to travel to the Moon. It orbited ten times over the course of 20 hours, during which the crew made a Christmas Eve television broadcast in which they read the first 10 verses from the Book of Genesis. At the time, the broadcast was the most watched TV program ever. Apollo 8's successful mission paved the way for Apollo 11 to fulfill U.S. President John F. Kennedy's goal of landing a man on the Moon before the end of the 1960s. The Apollo 8 astronauts returned to Earth on December 27, 1968, when their spacecraft splashed down in the Northern Pacific Ocean.

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First time seeing the darkside of the Moon! Would be interesting to see those pictures. Especially the ones NASA didnt release..

So shoot away Ats! Like I said, wondering if anyone has good information on these pictures, and Im curious what you guys think

It's the camera reflecting in the window the picture is being taken from.

It's called Ezekiel's Wheel.

High Resolution-

history.nasa.gov...

eol.jsc.nasa.gov...

it looks a lot like the ring planet in the movie Elysium.. Also similar to the artificial ring planet that is the basis for the Halo game franchise..

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Protoplanetary Disk seems like a plausible explanation.

I suspect what we are seeing, as mentioned by others before, is a reflection on the glass
It looks like a wristwatch actually.

-trying to read the time-

Would go with the simplest answer for this. at first glance, it certainly does make the mind dance a bit...until you slap yourself and just take into account where the photograph was taken to begin with.

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Add: not saying it is a wristwatch, but there are plenty of circular shiny bits and bobs on the Apollo astronauts. just wanted to clarify that before I get the nerd bash about how they didn't sport watches or whatnot)

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I suspect what we are seeing, as mentioned by others before, is a reflection on the glass
It looks like a wristwatch actually.

They did use NASA approved "Omega Speedmaster Professional Chronographs":



Those used in space had velcro straps. Here is Jim Lovell sporting his while doing some star alignment during Apollo 8:



May not explain the reflection, but it's pretty close, and also interesting trivia.

www.hq.nasa.gov...
amyshirateitel.com...

Originally posted by Kody27
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Protoplanetary Disk seems like a plausible explanation.

edit on 13-8-2013 by Kody27 because: insert image

You need a powerful telescope to see a protoplanetary disc. There aren't any close enough to be just snapped with a camera out of the illuminator. If there were one, it would be a major astronomical discovery. It would also be present on other images in the same sequence.

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let them dream some more posts.. please, for their sanity!

Generally I'd like to jump on here and say it's a camera artifact or something, because, usually these kinds of pictures are easily explainable, and someone is just being an over-zealous nut.
In this case, it looks like something from an 'artist's rendition' of an object, where they embellish the surrounds for the sake of a good graphic, or.. perhaps it's just some anomaly that we're yet to discern the true form of. Personally, I hope it's something really freaking cool

S&F

Looks like these things on the other thread here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Looks more like the moon to me.
Most logical answer here
Most obvious answer here

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First I am not a photographer, Second I have a biased viewpoint as I believe some element's of the Vimanika Shaastrum ( www.bibliotecapleyades.net... )even if it was channeled by a yogi are true and may be based on long held verbal tradition as indeed the entire Mahabharata was Before being finally transcribed into writing, India like the pre written word cultures such as the pre roman celts and the african cultures often had strict traditions about the passage of verbal information and like the yogi of india and the ancient bards of the celt's it is often kept in a pristine way even though it is verbal rather than written.

There are passages about a great war and a city in the middle of the space that rotated around it's own axis (Ring station that was in equatorial or geostationary orbit), it was invisible or could be made to be so.

This if a true image may be another relic of a lost age like the black knight satellite that I personally believe to not be alien but ancient.

Here is a show with something about the black night as well as some other UFO stuff. (No comments about the alien presenter please Seems a nice guy).
www.youtube.com...

What is it I don't know but what if and it does not look like a lense flare or reflection.

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The Apollo 11 was moving at High velocity and the lack of other images that are allowed into the public domein may very well point to this having been a hit and miss encounter as it passed into close enough proximity of the Object for it to be visible, I doubt the astronauts actually saw it as it was dark and the reason I mentioned the black knight satellite is because the metal if that is what it is appears to have the same lighting property's as that object so may indicate the same alloy's and a plausible link between the two object's especially if they turn out to be ancient relic's of a forgotten age on earth and in the solar system, or it could just be a UFO, personally though this does look too much like a station to not notice though size is difficult the ring may be miles around and ancient damage may account for it's odd appearance, Like the black Knight it is probable Nasa or rather the secret military wing that Nasa answers too have long ago visited the derelict and likely have long since destroyed it assuming it was small enough for them to do so, either way if it is still there is has answers that we genuinely need.

S+F on the thread and several posts too.

Also there is this little story about Apollo 11 and there encounter with UFO.
Were they ancient, if the transcript is real it does sound like it to me.
www.debunker.com...

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I asked about this anomaly at "Apollo Lunar Surface Journal" page on Facebook, and here's the answer from David Woods, editor of Apollo Flight Journal:

I've seen a similar effect before, whereby a piece of film gets creased or folded slightly in a particular way before development and the area of stress becomes a visible flaw. The parabolic shape of what we are seeing is what makes me think of it. I think something reflected in the window would be out of focus to a greater extent than we are seeing here. If I'm correct, then it is essentially an imaging flaw.

There are other similar appearances on as08-14-2532hr and as08-14-2534hr and all these are towards the end of the film. I suspect that the end of the film was slightly mishandled during loading either into the camera magazine or into the processor. To show what I mean, I cut a strip of paper 70-mm wide and pinched it slightly to reproduce the effect. See here: hafttm.com...

You can see where the area of greatest curvature follows a similar parabolic shape on the paper. David Woods, editor Apollo Flight Journal

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It looks like a reflection of the camera to me. Interesting though. Although, if I were to entertain wild thoughts, I would say it kind of looks like what some people say a ship approaching in a warp bubble might look like...Unfortunately, I can't find that article anywhere.

I say camera reflection though.

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Very well could be. Thanks for that info.

Of note please read this page, imagine an ancient culture whom were interweaving even earlier legends into there mythology and then look at that image, imagine a derelict orbiting in the place between the earth and the moon, half destroyed but enough remaining to be still identifiable and distant enough from the camera to suggest a very large size with the minute details of the debris and structure blurred by resolution of the original film and the low reflectivity of the once stealth material, Then ask yourself why someone a long time ago may have wanted stealth structures in orbit.
www.hinduwisdom.info...
en.wikipedia.org...:Von_Braun_1952_Space_Station_Concept_9132079_original.jpg

and remember this little beauty that lay in a box of odd's and ends in the Turkish museum as they did not know what to classify it as,

Just my very strong opinions mind.
rense.com...

Originally posted by wildespace
I asked about this anomaly at "Apollo Lunar Surface Journal" page on Facebook, and here's the answer from David Woods, editor of Apollo Flight Journal:

I've seen a similar effect before, whereby a piece of film gets creased or folded slightly in a particular way before development and the area of stress becomes a visible flaw. The parabolic shape of what we are seeing is what makes me think of it. I think something reflected in the window would be out of focus to a greater extent than we are seeing here. If I'm correct, then it is essentially an imaging flaw.

There are other similar appearances on as08-14-2532hr and as08-14-2534hr and all these are towards the end of the film. I suspect that the end of the film was slightly mishandled during loading either into the camera magazine or into the processor. To show what I mean, I cut a strip of paper 70-mm wide and pinched it slightly to reproduce the effect. See here: hafttm.com...

You can see where the area of greatest curvature follows a similar parabolic shape on the paper. David Woods, editor Apollo Flight Journal

edit on 15-8-2013 by wildespace because: (no reason given)

I've had a few email conversations with Mr Woods, and he is a very nice and very knowledgeable person - I've also got a copy of his excellent book How Apollo Flew To The Moon and listened to a couple of podcast interviews with him (Omega Tau 83 and Omega Tau 97) and he knows his stuff.

On this occasion however, while I can see what he's done, I have to disagree with him. The flaw he's creating there is considerably larger than the one found in the image under discussion and would fill an entire photograph, not a small part of it.

It looks like this thing...

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