Evolution backed up by Hoaxes and Desperate Lies

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: peter vlar

How exactly does a theory that purports our entire genus evolved in Africa, in any way supportive of white supremacy. I’ve seen some willfully ignorant thoughts on the MES but this is just silly

originally posted by: Barcs
Yeah white supremacy, that's why according to evolution we all came from Africa. LMFAO!!!!

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: Yahchanan
Please at least attempt to offer some sort of supportive evidence or reasoned thought to back up that claim.

The basis of Hitler's Aryan race was the notion that white people are evolved beyond black people:

"By examining Hitler’s ideology, the official biology curriculum, the writings of Nazi anthropologists, and Nazi periodicals, we find that Nazi racial theorists did indeed embrace human and racial evolution. They not only taught that humans had evolved from primates, but they believed the Aryan or Nordic race had evolved to a higher level than other races because of the harsh climatic conditions that influenced natural selection. They also claimed that Darwinism underpinned specific elements of Nazi racial ideology..."

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Given the death tole of WWII, evolution is the most deadly religion on earth.

the death toll of WWII doesn't even compare to the Spanish Catholic Genocide of the New World. WWII, while deadly, killed roughly 3% of the population. Bringing "god" to the savages? 90% were dead in a century and a half. Comparing religious zealots to a wanna be esoteric, Thule embracing buffoon who borrowed his tactics for eliminating his "undesirables" from how the U.S. dealt with our indigenous population throughout the 19th century (when they were at a fraction of the number that they were in 1650 when they'd already been reduced to a mere 10%). Those numbers were even lower during the period of "Manifest Destiny" in the good ole god fearing' U S of A.

Thats just the first example off the top of my head. I could start adding up deaths on both sides during the Crusades. Heck, during the Albegensian Crusade, French Christians attacked and all but wiped out the Cathars who were, not surprisingly, also Christians. Not only that, but the eugenic laden version of evolution was idealized by Germany's elite where they borrowed a little from Darwin, A little from Lamarck, added in their own superiority complex and we see what the ed result was. Point being, the understanding of Evolution in the 1920's when Hitler was cementing his ideas was completely turned on its head by 1948 when the Modern Evolutionary Synthesis was introduced so comparing his Eugenics to the MES taught today is a defect straw man and your conclusions the evolution has caused ore war/death/impotence...whatever you want to blame, are completely incorrect.

a reply to: peter vlar

hmmm speaking of evolution , wouldnt the spannish flu be considered as a great killer from an evolutionary perspective hahah

50 million humans.

I get what you are saying though humans killing other humans based on evolution , large groups of humans killing others , well if only we knew how many species homo sapiens sapiens fought with , did we wipe out the majority of neanderthal ?
or did we just interbreed with them until they couldn't compete and died out?

technically you could blame evolution for a lot of war and death but not in the sense that it was used consciously based on eugenic principles or "biological elitism"

but more in the sense that its made so many lifeforms compete to the point where the winner survives and the loser dies

originally posted by: peter vlar
Bringing "god" to the savages? 90% were dead in a century and a half.

If they purposefully tried to kill people, they weren't actually Christian. That is the opposite of turning the other cheek. Jesus was as non-violent as it gets. Christian was the label they used to gain support for their imperialist endeavors, but it was textbook anti-Christian.

Point being, the understanding of Evolution in the 1920's when Hitler was cementing his ideas was completely turned on its head by 1948 when the Modern Evolutionary Synthesis was introduced so comparing his Eugenics to the MES taught today is a defect straw man and your conclusions the evolution has caused ore war/death/impotence...whatever you want to blame, are completely incorrect.

You can spin it however you want, but the theory still insists we came from an ape-like creature in Africa. That is the core of evolutionary theory. That is why Hitler supposed that Aryans (white people) were more evolved.

originally posted by: cooperton
The basis of Hitler's Aryan race was the notion that white people are evolved beyond black people:

"By examining Hitler’s ideology, the official biology curriculum, the writings of Nazi anthropologists, and Nazi periodicals, we find that Nazi racial theorists did indeed embrace human and racial evolution. They not only taught that humans had evolved from primates, but they believed the Aryan or Nordic race had evolved to a higher level than other races because of the harsh climatic conditions that influenced natural selection. They also claimed that Darwinism underpinned specific elements of Nazi racial ideology..."

Given the death tole of WWII, evolution is the most deadly religion on earth.

You are a complete #ing idiot. Blaming all the deaths in WW2 on the theory of evolution? LMFAO!!!!

Hitler and the Nazis were theists and Hitler thought he was doing GOD'S WORK. The nazi uniform slogan was "God with us." Hitler didn't think white people were more evolved than black people. He believed the Ayran race was created closest to the image of God. He says such in his autobiography.

Hitler denied evolution and banned Darwin's books and called inter-species or interracial breeding a "sin against the eternal creator." Where do you think Kent Hovind got his "foxes will always be foxes" quote from? If anyone is adhering to the the ideology of Hitler, it's you along with the other young earth creationists who continuously pollute this forum along with social media with lies and vitriolic spew.

Sorry but claiming the holocaust was inspired by evolution is extremely dishonest and basically Christians trying to rewrite history and misrepresent atheists and science.

originally posted by: cooperton
If they purposefully tried to kill people, they weren't actually Christian. That is the opposite of turning the other cheek. Jesus was as non-violent as it gets. Christian was the label they used to gain support for their imperialist endeavors, but it was textbook anti-Christian.

No true Scotsman fallacy. They were definitely Christians, they were just fundamentalist and extreme in their views. You seem to forget that many Christians don't think following the teachings of Jesus is a requirement. They think that all that matters is accepting him into your heart and seeking forgiveness for sins. No Christian actually turns the other cheek, including you. Does that make you not a true Christian?

You can spin it however you want, but the theory still insists we came from an ape-like creature in Africa. That is the core of evolutionary theory. That is why Hitler supposed that Aryans (white people) were more evolved.

100% FALSE as I already demonstrated. Please stop lying, it's getting old.

a reply to: cooperton

Aye so the majority of christians throughout history are not christian since the majority of them murdered in their thousands

crusades , spannish inquisition, the 30 years war and reformation to name but a few of the religious conflicts .


Funny thing about hitler is that with all his theories its a load of pish as there is no biological evidence for race
according to geneticists .

So evolution wasnt the reason all of those people died , it was blind ignorace and pure hatred of anything different.
Unless of course there are genes for Ignorance and Hate , then in which case evolution could technically be blamed.

Are there genes for sociopaths? maybe you have a point

The book I was reading Man, Beast and Zombie , a look at what science can and cant tell us about humans, goes into genetic based race theory and how it was a great fallacy of the European elite who adhered to those ignorant beliefs

originally posted by: Barcs

That was from a speech in 1928 which was way before the war. Hitler only made appeals to religion for political gain. Which is exactly what I said in my prior post. Just because a leader uses religion as a coercive tactic, does not make them practitioners of that religion:

In his entry for 29 April 1941, Goebbels noted long discussions about the Vatican and Christianity, and wrote: "The Fuhrer is a fierce opponent of all that humbug".

-Joseph Goebbel's Diary

Hastings considers it plausible that Hitler was a Catholic as late as his trial in 1924, but writes that "there is little doubt that Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity throughout the duration of the Third Reich."

-Catholicism and the Roots of Nazism by Derek Hastings p.181

"Hitler had been brought up a Catholic and was impressed by the organization and power of the Church... [but] to its teachings he showed only the sharpest hostility... he detested [Christianity]'s ethics in particular"

-Hitler: a Study in Tyranny by Alan Bullock p.219

"In early 1937 [Hitler] was declaring that 'Christianity was ripe for destruction', and that the Churches must yield to the 'primacy of the state', railing against any compromise with 'the most horrible institution imaginable'"

-Hitler: A Biography by Ian Kershaw p.295

"There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church"

-The Dark Charisma of Hitler by Laurence Rees p.135

"[Hitler's] few private remarks on Christianity betray a profound contempt and indifference"

-The Dictators: Hitler's Germany... by Richard Overy p.281

Hitler saw Christianity as "indelibly Jewish in origin and character" and a "prototype of Bolshevism", which "violated the law of natural selection".

-The Third Reich at War by Richard J Evans p.547



Hitler was a staunch atheist who fell for the lie of evolutionary theory.

The no true Christian/Scotsman.

No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
The no true Christian/Scotsman.

No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.

Hitler was not a Christian during the 3rd Reich:

We are Christians; without Christianity Europe is lost. Hitler is an atheist.

— Otto Strasser

He was to all intents and purposes an atheist by the time.

— Ernst Hanfstaengl

He was not a practising Christian but had somehow succeeded in masking his own religious skepticism from millions of German voters. Though Hitler has often been portrayed as a neo-pagan, or the centrepiece of a political religion in which he played the Godhead, his views had much more in common with the revolutionary iconoclasm of the Bolshevik enemy. His few private remarks on Christianity betray a profound contempt and indifference ... in Europe it was the 'collapse of Christianity that we are now experiencing'. The reason for the crisis was science. Hitler, like Stalin took a very modern view of the incompatibility of religious and scientific explanation.

— Richard Overy, The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia

Stalin was also an atheist:

Stalin called "to bring to completion the liquidation of the reactionary clergy in our country". Stalin called for an "atheist five year plan" from 1932–1937, led by the LMG, in order to completely eliminate all religious expression in the USSR. It was declared that the concept of God would disappear from the Soviet Union.

You guys really don't realize how destructive atheism and the theory of evolution is. It is a mental parasite that justifies all sorts of atrocities.

originally posted by: cooperton
That was from a speech in 1928 which was way before the war. Hitler only made appeals to religion for political gain. Which is exactly what I said in my prior post. Just because a leader uses religion as a coercive tactic, does not make them practitioners of that religion:

Not relevant when it was said, and it doesn't debunk anything at all about his views on the eternal creator and banning of Darwin's books. You lied big time and now you appeal to assumptions again. My argument isn't that he was Christian, he definitely fell out of the church over time. My argument is that he wasn't inspired by the theory of evolution, he hated Darwin and was actually theist. Stop lying. It's absolutely hilarious that you can't refute anything so you just post quote mines.

Hitler was a staunch atheist who fell for the lie of evolutionary theory.

100% lie. LOL @ "falling for evolutionary theory" but then goes and bans all of Darwin's books in Germany and calling it sinful. That's like calling the leader of Saudi Arabia a Christian. And by the way, the theory of evolution says absolutely zilch about 1 race being better than others. There is absolutely no science whatsoever backing that claim and never has been. Evolution is reality, what people choose to do with that knowledge is on them. Blaming a scientific theory for figuring out the truth is beyond silly.

You really can't make this stuff up. Some people are just intellectually dishonest and there is nothing you can do about that. He's so full of crap it's leaking out of his ears.

a reply to: cooperton

It is a mental parasite that justifies all sorts of atrocities.

Actually, that’s religion. People relying on fairy tales to justify their pitiful existence.

I’ll be right back. Just gotta go kill a bunch of people because “god told me to”.

originally posted by: cooperton
You guys really don't realize how destructive atheism and the theory of evolution is. It is a mental parasite that justifies all sorts of atrocities.

Your comedy routine is failing. TODAY, countries with the highest population percentage of atheists generally have the lowest violent crime and the best education. This proves your claim false.

LOL @ all that descruction caused by a scientific theory. If you think that's bad, just wait for GRAVITY. That is the truly destructive theory, you know how many planes have crash because of that!!! It's all science's fault LOL!

a reply to: Barcs

Don’t forget about germs! Us atheists created them because we’re big meanies.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
I’ll be right back. Just gotta go kill a bunch of people because “god told me to”.

The two biggest killers of all time - Jozef Stalin and Mao Ze Dong - were both atheists.

originally posted by: Barcs
My argument is that he wasn't inspired by the theory of evolution

Well they taught it publicly:

1) The official biology curriculum endorsed by the Nazi Ministry of Education, as well as lists of books approved for schools, uniformly taught biological evolution, including human evolution. Specifically the biology curriculum endorsed Darwinian theory and rejected Lamarckism.

2) Biology textbooks during the Third Reich, which were approved by the Ministry of Education, all taught evolution, including human evolution, and they taught the Darwinian mechanism for evolution, while opposing Lamarckism.

3) German anthropologists, including Hans F. K. Guenther and many others who lectured at official Nazi functions, uniformly taught human evolution. The Nazi Racial Policy Office listed these anthropologists' books on human evolution as recommended reading material.

4) Karl Astel, who was trying to help turn the University of Jena into a "brown university," solicited and received Himmler's help in recruiting Gerhard Heberer to the university. Heberer was a leading evolutionary anthropologist who was on the forefront in introducing the neo-Darwinian synthesis to Germany.

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It wasn't just Hitler's eugenics. Evolutionary theory has crumbled bioethics into the depravity of eugenics time and time again:

‘ … modern eugenics thought arose only in the nineteenth century. The emergence of interest in eugenics during that century had multiple roots. The most important was the theory of evolution, for Francis Galton’s ideas on eugenics—and it was he who created the term “eugenics”—were a direct logical outgrowth of the scientific doctrine elaborated by his cousin, Charles Darwin.’

-Encyclopedia of Bioethics p.457

Darwinism by itself did not produce the Holocaust, but without Darwinism, especially in its social Darwinist and eugenics permutations, neither Hitler nor his Nazi followers would have had the necessary scientific underpinnings to convince themselves and their collaborators that one of the world's greatest atrocities was really morally praiseworthy. Darwinism - or at least some naturalistic interpretation of Darwinism - succeeded in turning morality on its head."

-From Darwin to Hitler by Richard Weikart p.233

a reply to: cooperton

Heard all that before from religious extremists. You also hear things like that right before some religious extremist starts killing a bunch of people.

Hopefully you’re not allowed to be around guns, knives or just other people.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: cooperton

Heard all that before from religious extremists. You also hear things like that right before some religious extremist starts killing a bunch of people.

Hopefully you’re not allowed to be around guns, knives or just other people.

"But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
-founder of Christian philosophy

If only someone could have convinced Mao and Stalin.....

originally posted by: cooperton
The two biggest killers of all time - Jozef Stalin and Mao Ze Dong - were both atheists.

Actually, the biggest killer of all time was that scumbag Old Testament God who drowned every mf'er on the planet except an incestuous family.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: cooperton

Heard all that before from religious extremists. You also hear things like that right before some religious extremist starts killing a bunch of people.

Hopefully you’re not allowed to be around guns, knives or just other people.

"But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also."
-founder of Christian philosophy

If only someone could have convinced Mao and Stalin.....

Or your so called god?

Oh no. Wait. That’s different coz “god”.

Religious extremists just love apologising for genocide.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

Or your so called god?

Oh no. Wait. That’s different coz “god”.

Religious extremists just love apologising for genocide.

Yikes. Not sure what you're even trying to say, but I hope the best for you man.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

He even drowned the fish! THE FISH!

Son-of-a-carpenter!

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TerryDon79

Or your so called god?

Oh no. Wait. That’s different coz “god”.

Religious extremists just love apologising for genocide.

Yikes. Not sure what you're even trying to say, but I hope the best for you man.

Having trouble understanding English or did you forget you god supposedly killed everyone and everything apart from what could fit in a boat?

Biggest killer ever (if you believe the bible)? The thing in it called “god”.