Evolution backed up by Hoaxes and Desperate Lies

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


I can clear it out in three words.

Father - Hebrew Aleph Bet (ALPHABET)

Mother - Hebrew Aleph Mem (HYDROGEN)

Son - Hebrew Bet Nun (DNA)

Aleph is Strong
Bet is House
Mem is Water
Nun is Seed

What do we have?

Father is the Strong House. This is the invariant symmetry of the Strong Nuclear Force.

Mother is Strong Waters. That's Hydrogen. Hydrogen has one proton and one electron in balance. All combinations in nature must have a catalyst. How does God mix his letters of DNA into Words of Proteins? The Catalyst of Hydrogen and baptism into the river of life.

Son is Bet Nun, or House of the Seed. DNA is the house of the seed in the Strong House of the Cell.

It doesn't get much more proofier that that.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

I can clear it out in three words.

Father - Hebrew Aleph Bet (ALPHABET)

Mother - Hebrew Aleph Mem (HYDROGEN)

Son - Hebrew Bet Nun (DNA)

Aleph is Strong
Bet is House
Mem is Water
Nun is Seed

What do we have?

Father is the Strong House. This is the invariant symmetry of the Strong Nuclear Force.

Mother is Strong Waters. That's Hydrogen. Hydrogen has one proton and one electron in balance. All combinations in nature must have a catalyst. How does God mix his letters of DNA into Words of Proteins? The Catalyst of Hydrogen and baptism into the river of life.

Son is Bet Nun, or House of the Seed. DNA is the house of the seed in the Strong House of the Cell.

It doesn't get much more proofier that that.

Sneaky

Originally posted by Hijinx


Children don't get to say no, or ask the daring questions when they have religious parents. They are brought to church as soon as they can leave the nursery by their parents. From birth, biblical verses, hollow stories and facts are pounded into their minds as truths, and you're complaining about children being placed in school where it is encouraged to challenge what is known and seek out truth and knowledge?? Something is profoundly wrong with your logic. I bet you'd line them right up for a lobotomy too.

You think children are taught how to think in school? In what freaking country are you? Children are not taught how to reason in school. They are told what to think, they are not even taught the basics of much and most adults can't pass a simple 8th grade test from the 1800's! Your argument is cute, but it's not based in reality.

Schools are nothing but indoctrination camps and we see the outcome in how many can't read well, do math, and are far below many other countries that actually teach fundamentals. No sir, schools today are indoctrination camps.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by Hijinx


Children don't get to say no, or ask the daring questions when they have religious parents. They are brought to church as soon as they can leave the nursery by their parents. From birth, biblical verses, hollow stories and facts are pounded into their minds as truths, and you're complaining about children being placed in school where it is encouraged to challenge what is known and seek out truth and knowledge?? Something is profoundly wrong with your logic. I bet you'd line them right up for a lobotomy too.

You think children are taught how to think in school? In what freaking country are you? Children are not taught how to reason in school. They are told what to think, they are not even taught the basics of much and most adults can't pass a simple 8th grade test from the 1800's! Your argument is cute, but it's not based in reality.

Schools are nothing but indoctrination camps and we see the outcome in how many can't read well, do math, and are far below many other countries that actually teach fundamentals. No sir, schools today are indoctrination camps.

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I learned to seek out truth and think for myself growing up in the same world you did, going to school just like you did. I can read, write, spell, do arithmetic, chemistry, Biology, Physics. I am a successful adult, and I question everything. I seek answers to the world around me, and I will proudly say my schooling taught me to do so.

Originally posted by LiveEquation
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

did you know that if you take a bunch of domesticated pigs into the wild and come back after about 30 years, you will find their tusks grown back like wild pigs?

That's evolution!

That is just a repressed trait that reappears, triggered from the environment.
The programming for the tusks was always there, nothing new was added.
Since the programming was there for tusks which more suit wild pigs, and they become recessive if domesticated, this becomes more a proof of intelligent design.

Now how could it be that animals have extra traits to accommodate multiple environments? Shouldn't they evolve and leave the weak trait in the trash bin of history and only carry on the prominent trait for survival, survival of the fittest and all that?
If we throw men into a cave for 30 years do they revert to Neanderthals? How about 300 years? Not gonna happen. Although some women swear marriage does this very thing to men

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Bassago

 

I was quite clear, evolution is a theory, religion is a delusion of no proof. I made no mention of aliens. And don't be so condescending, it's unbecoming of civilized discussion.

If I'm condescending it's because evolution is an out right lie more
than it is a theory and therfore IMO uncivilized in any discussion.
As for the aliens ? Well, I was just trying to give you some credit.

Care to explain how it is an "out right lie"? You've done nothing but joke around since your first post in this thread. What exactly are you contributing to it?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Good news is religion is dying out so there is hope for mankind. I have hope for mankind if that happens but as long as we have congressmen who will not even look at the issue of global warming because god said after the flood Yada yada...

And here in lies your biggest mistake.
You see I don't give a damn about religion. Never have, never will.
Let it be damned with all the other substitutes that stand instead
of love for our Heavenly Father and his Son come in the flesh and
who bore the cross, that those who could see would be saved .
Jesus Christ. As for us arguing logistics ? Senseless really.

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Well I don't much care for the guy he was fine with slavery. If someone had written about him while he was alive or even in the same century I would have reason to think he existed but everything I have gathered points to him being made up from a compilation of much older stories with some Buddhist twist to it.

Besides he never said to give up the old ways not until he returns -well that hasn’t happened has it. So everone who has been following the NEW testament has been damned. Sorry all that double speak is purposely there so religious institutions can manipulate and control the masses. In the end it doesn’t really matter what anyone believes because we all wind up the same.

Don't be a fool. We are the finished product of creation. It's funny that evolutionist's say we've been evolving for billions of years but now say we cannot evolve no longer. Wow we are extremely lucky to be living at the end of our evolutionary cycle and not during the billions of years of growing pains. Ha! What are the chances of that.

Originally posted by gotya
*raises hand*

I have a question.

Why do people who believe in god find it necessary to convince non believers of its existance?

You never hear of people who believe in the theory of evoloution knocking on doors trying to convince the religious folk.

Why the hell do you care what I believe?

No they just have unfetterd access to spout there viewd in schools.

Let's just slow down and talk Intelligent Design for a minute. I notice that a lot of folk, who I won't mention by name at the moment, that are knocking a belief in a Creator that have some fairly strange views themselves---outside of mainstream science that is...although they won't mention them here because they have a hard-on for knocking Christian beliefs.

Some even consider themselves, or all of us, to be God and then whine about some of the silliest things going on in their lives. Fair enough for the moment.

Some, to be even more fair, are fundamentalist Atheists...but what about the rest of you as mentioned above? You're being disingenuous and I'll pull up your past posts if need be so we can dissect your hypocrisy. Those that know me, know I will.

But I'm still waiting for someone, a scientist, a well-versed philosopher, a near-homeless self-professed ATS guru/expert, whatever, to explain the most absolutely astounding phenomenon ever. That being consciousness.

You know, Mr. Evolutionist, that weightless, massless, immune to gravity, faster-than-light phenomenon responsible for society and achievement in all arenas? Doesn't that give you pause for reflection? Or will you play "Evolution of the Gaps?" "Umm...yeah...consciousness came about as a function of a material brain...that...umm...had to evolve because of...ummm...evolution. Yeah, that's the ticket."



How does the genesis of all that we are, an immaterial thing, consciousness, like I said: weightless, massless, faster-than-light---stem forth from the material? How does matter, so-to-speak, create anti-matter?

Adaptation? Indubitably. Evolution? Don't be silly.

If you want to see a secular scientist whine, just bring up paradox. If you wanna see them cry, ask them to explain consciousness.

reply to post by OpenEars123


not taking sides here but trowing out stupid crap like that isn't going to help your case, nutrition could have been a big factor in that I don't see you saying evolution though life expectancy is a factor today lol like people are living longer now because of evolution but your claim at growth as a evolutionary factor is amusing to say the lest

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity
Evolution backed up by Hoaxes and Desperate Lies

You mean lies like............an invisible sky entity just "spontaneously generated" everything.....then turned into his son and got himself nailed to a cross so he could forgive us, for something or other blah blah.....immaculate conception (as if..... ), walking on water, zombies leaving tombs and running the streets, faith healing, a 600 year old man building a boat then collecting enough of the entirety of the land species of the planet.....to save them from a flood that didn't happen.....the virtue of sacrificing turtle doves for god.....surviving for days unscathed in the intestinal tract of a fish.....that type of thing?

Now, if education can come along and sow seeds of disbelief in a most logical way, then the child can learn to distrust their parents judgment and if their parent is a Christian then it’s easier to dismiss this idea of God and the gift of salvation in Jesus.

So passing on our knowledge of science, in the hope it will be refined or disproven if necessary, is wrong.

Yet teaching one of the countless religious mythologies as though it were truth, despite having nothing to substantiate it and plenty to discredit it, that's desirable? No different at all from teaching Scientology. It is cult indoctrination and simply the passing on of delusional insanity. In this instance, the delusion that a death/ human sacrifice worshipping cult that broke away from an earlier primitive mythology, is unshakeable truth. Look no further.

Piltdown man.....seriously? Someone orchestrates a hoax, so the entirety of science is wrong? You do realise that it was science that worked out that these things were hoaxes?

I thought the Australopiths were important in the scheme of things largely because of their bipedal motion. As in, the fossils before them showed a gradual change from quadrupedality/climbing, to upright walking. Not that any one we have found is necessarily a direct ancestor. Also it's not surprising to find features that are ape like (for obvious reasons). This is what science does, it changes based on what it finds and can verify. So what?

The problem with evolution is that it is used to teach how life began

That is simply dishonest. It's a lie. Quite a few logical fallacies in your post.

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
You mean lies like............immaculate conception (as if.....

), walking on water, zombies leaving tombs and running the streets, faith healing, a 600 year old man building a boat then collecting enough of the entirety of the land species of the planet.....to save them from a flood that didn't happen.....the virtue of sacrificing turtle doves for god.....surviving for days unscathed in the intestinal tract of a fish.....that type of thing?

Yeah, in many ways that could be considered silly. Yet the "unknown" might be experienced by many folk as something "real" but not easily defined. Nor "provable" in the materialist sense.

Like you, for instance, staring a "Yowie" or Bigfoot, "right in the eye" and playing "hide and seek" with it? Preach on, brother, preach on.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

I can clear it out in three words.

Father - Hebrew Aleph Bet (ALPHABET)

Mother - Hebrew Aleph Mem (HYDROGEN)

Son - Hebrew Bet Nun (DNA)

Aleph is Strong
Bet is House
Mem is Water
Nun is Seed

What do we have?

I dunno... a psychotic individual? One that couldn't see beyond what mummy and daddy said?

But that's beside the point. Being silly, damaged and wrong doesn't make you right. Obviously.

Originally posted by The GUT

Yeah, in many ways that could be considered silly. Yet the "unknown" might be experienced by many folk as something "real" but not easily defined. Nor "provable" in the materialist sense.

Like you, for instance, staring a "Yowie" or Bigfoot, "right in the eye" and playing "hide and seek" with it?

Quite true The GUT. Yet I don't campaign that bigfoot/yowies are real and should be included as part of the education system. I don't require anyone believe it (no one should be that naive). In fact, I seriously doubt they are a biological species (would be happy to be wrong though) and see many possibilities as to why people see such things. Everything from hoax to evolutionary reasons that tie in well with the latest knowledge of psychology/the brain and neuroscience. I realise I have no explanation (yet). It is far more fascinating and less obvious than the many religious delusions that proliferate and are easily explained (cult indoctrination and resulting delusion). I also note this is an irrelevance. Basically, argumentum ad hominem fallacy regarding the post under discussion.

Originally posted by Prime80
Don't be a fool. We are the finished product of creation.

Do you really believe that crap?

Originally posted by Prime80
It's funny that evolutionist's say we've been evolving for billions of years but now say we cannot evolve no longer.

You mean "any longer". But belief in such nonsense would lead one to suspect you don't understand simple principles.

Originally posted by Prime80
Wow we are extremely lucky to be living at the end of our evolutionary cycle and not during the billions of years of growing pains. Ha! What are the chances of that.

What are the chances of what? A fool misunderstanding simple principles? You win fool of the month award.

Being religious is fine. Being a fundamentalist and stupid is something else entirely.

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Quite true The GUT. Yet I don't campaign that bigfoot/yowies are real and should be included as part of the education system. In fact, I seriously doubt they are and see many possibilities as to why people see such things. Even evolutionary reasons that tie in well with the latest knowledge of psychology/the brain and neuroscience. I realise I have no explanation (yet). It is far more fascinating and less obvious than the many religious delusions that proliferate and are easily explained (delusion and cult indoctrination). I also note this is an irrelevance.

Ad Hominen? Nope. I'll define that for you if need be. Doesn't apply in this sense. I'm making a comparison of what two different folk might consider, in the other, nonsensical experiences and reports. How is that "ad hominen?"

I like you, brudda. I've starred you before. Probably more than once. But your experience is no more an "easily explained delusion" than your dismissal of something that has captured the ready attention of many folk much more intelligent than you or I. As has the opposite, I concur.

I prefer "broad-strokes" when addressing the spiritual or, as I mentioned above: Consciousness, But I also have to admit that the writers collected in the Bible were pretty spot on in predicting our world today, ya know?

Evolution doesn't explain a Yowie, nor the rest of that which might fall under the category of the "mystical." Is it all in our heads? Mebbe. But one thing seems pretty sure: Science is an infant. Spirituality is a constant.

Peace, Amigo.

Personally, the thread was good. It did show a lot of substantially important information.
But when you think of the THEORY OF EVOLUTION. it is just a THEORY and should not be thrown off or should not go against another THEORY ( theory that God exists ).

I agree that the theory of evolution is not true ( BUT THIS IS PURELY MY OPINION ). But I do not believe that it was an elaborate hoax created to make people stop believing in God. But for personal gain. Furthermore I think it was not "God" they tried to disprove but the truth ( in my opinion ) that we were created by greater beings. Be it your God or my belief that aliens at a distant time created us.

Good thread. Very informative and to many, eye opening

Originally posted by The GUT

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Quite true The GUT. Yet I don't campaign that bigfoot/yowies are real and should be included as part of the education system. In fact, I seriously doubt they are and see many possibilities as to why people see such things. Even evolutionary reasons that tie in well with the latest knowledge of psychology/the brain and neuroscience. I realise I have no explanation (yet). It is far more fascinating and less obvious than the many religious delusions that proliferate and are easily explained (delusion and cult indoctrination). I also note this is an irrelevance.

I like you, brudda. I've starred you before. Probably more than once. But your experience is no more an "easily explained delusion" than your dismissal of something that has captured the ready attention of many folk much more intelligent than you or I. As has the opposite, I concur.

I prefer "broad-strokes" when addressing the spiritual or, as I mentioned above: Consciousness, But I also have to admit that the writers collected in the Bible were pretty spot on in predicting our world today, ya know?

Evolution doesn't explain a Yowie, nor the rest of that which might fall under the category of the "mystical." Is it all in our heads? Mebbe. But one thing seems pretty sure: Science is an infant. Spirituality is a constant.

Peace, Amigo.

No problems.

Though I see a very real possibility that evolution will explain the "undiscovered hominid" phenomena, though perhaps not in the physical or genuinely mystical way people might like. Though I don't really know that. I can certainly agree that far more intelligent people than I, believe in the bible. Yet this merely underlines the point that intelligent people can be wrong.

I also agree regarding the mystical. I don't doubt for a moment that there is more to our universe than we can presently understand, nor that spirituality is a worthwhile topic. Not a fan of religious fundamentalism explanation though.

The real universe (of which we understand little) might be far more amazing.

Originally posted by Cogito, Ergo Sum
Not a fan of religious fundamentalism though.

Fundamentalism sucks in any form. Don't be a fundamentalist, okay? I'll do my best not to be either. If you admit you don't know the answers, how can you say that anyone else is wrong?

Let's just proffer our thoughts and personal intuitions/conclusions without calling anyone "delusional." You see a Yowie, I see Yaweh. Who can judge? No harm, no foul.