Evolution backed up by Hoaxes and Desperate Lies

reply to post by MrConspiracy

Tell me... which theory would you believe? The one that can be shown to be extremely flawed or one that, either way, is beyond our ability to prove or disprove? This is just me.... but I know i'd put my faith in the latter. The key word is faith To note : I'm not a religious fanatic or crazily religious guy. So i hope you don't take me as such!

No, I don't take you for a fanatic. Your post was too logical and non-defensive.

On which theory would I believe: We might never know how the universe and life started. The best we humans can do is not a matter of accepting the most logical explanation, but to not believe in the most ILLOGICAL explanation.

If we could take a whole generation of kids and raise them until they reach the age of reason without ever hearing of gods, and then try to convince them that there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, invisible being who created the whole universe, and who lives in another dimension called heaven, and who is perfect in every way, and was never born and will never die... All of those kids would laugh in our faces and throw us in the loony bin.

Gods: They just aren't logical.

reply to post by gotya


One because we are called to. And second because they teach it to are kids as fact. The belief of God is not what the OP post about. The post is about the scientifically proven lies of evolution. Disprove or prove those to stay on topic.

Originally posted by jiggerj
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If we could take a whole generation of kids and raise them until they reach the age of reason without ever hearing of gods, and then try to convince them that there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, invisible being who created the whole universe, and who lives in another dimension called heaven, and who is perfect in every way, and was never born and will never die... All of those kids would laugh in our faces and throw us in the loony bin.

Gods: They just aren't logical.

Well those kids would come up with their own deities, like the reptilians, little green men from space, or just have faith in evolution. The real trendy ones would go on the internet and revive any of the pagan deities of the past after reading how cool they were.

Oh wait, look around.....thought this was all hypothetical but it's real.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by Tylerdurden1

 

So do you understand evolution ? I'll admit I don't. At ten years old I
decided it wouldf be a total waste of time to study someones lies and
try to be a part of making those lies look like the truth. So I don't understand it.
But do you ?

How do you know it's a lie if you don't bother to try to understand it?

I understand it.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
PSS To my thread reply above"

I in NOW WAY am arguing "Evolution" over "Intellegent Design".

Point is referenced to "hoaxed-evolution" nonsense in the OP.

So, you are saying my examples are not things scientists lied about even though the stained bones, glued them together, used their imaginations to give human hands and feet to ape like creatures? What do you call it when people do that sort of thing?

And you know, pastors and ministers have raped children, so...

Not every representative is a solid example of their community.

Originally posted by mysterioustranger
I want to say one thing. Well...a couple of things. Take an apple seed...plant it...it evolves into an apple tree.

Take a fetus (man or animal)...gestate it (look it up)...and it evolves into a full man or animal (although infantile, but fully evolved enough to be born).

Explain to us all how there is no evolution?

PS To ATS member AfterInfinity on page one if "Are they breeding!?"...

The OP doesnt believe it's possible. So, dont worry. He isnt...

But the point is the apple seed doesn't grow up to be the pine tree. Growing older is obviously not the point the OP is making.

Why all the negative insults of character instead of providing evidence one way or the other ?

Originally posted by ravenshadow13

How do you know it's a lie if you don't bother to try to understand it?
I understand it.

I call it a decision. But here's why I ask.



Maybe you can help this guy out ?

I like this one

Source




Them silly evolutionists trying to fudge everything about the chimpanzee genome to line up with the human genome.

Originally posted by kingofmd

Originally posted by flyingfish
Good gawd is this ignorance still going on.

It is ironic that creationism has not only not succeeded, but is actually accomplishing the opposite of its goal.
Religion is in decline and part of the problem is creationism, it is doing far more damage to religion than any atheist movement or evolution ever could and could be the poster child for any anti-religion movement.

When people witness exchanges like these in this thread, debates about evolution v. creation, more often than not, it's one side doing their best to present a concept in a clear and concise way, while the other side (the creationist) deliberately misrepresenting, “misunderstanding”, or shamelessly distorting the scientific theories, practices, or positions of their opponents. It’s not only a dishonest debating strategy, it’s against the very moral framework they profess to adhere to.

This is not some philosophical difference in how to interpret the same set of facts. This is a blatant display of intellectual dishonesty.

They also make the mistake of believing that they speak for the entire group and that everyone who belongs to that religion must be equally irrational, forsake science and believe absurd things.
By their efforts, creationists are strengthening the belief that religion is backward and irrational, and have hampered the efforts of forward-looking people who want to bring their faith into the present and forge an accommodation between religion and science.

As an evangelistic tool, creationism is a failure.

Well that's just your opinion. (added this lame response for all the secular humanists here)

Here is an exercise, learn the differences between operational science and historical "science"
Believing that humans did not evolve from ape like creatures has no effect whatsoever of how one does math, or applies the scientific method. My favorite attack: "you don't think we were created by star dust, well you don't believe in science which gave us cell phones, and space shuttles and medicine etc."

Find out what science "morons" such as Isaac newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Farraday, and Edward Blythe thought about creationism.

edit on 13-8-2013 by kingofmd because: (no reason given)

That's the point, opinions cease to be opinions when you can back them with demonstrable facts.
Even a cursory search will support everything I stated with a wealth of evidence, but if your interested in the evidence you would be informed and probably would not have resorted to logical fallies.

Case in point, your appeal to authority citing Isaac Newton.
Isaac Newton was probably the smartest man to have ever walked the earth, but even he had limits to his knowledge and when he got to point he could not answer a question...God was there.
But guess what, someone eventually figured out the question and the God of gaps shrank.
It took 130 years for a Frenchman to expand upon Newtons Calculus to eliminate his God of gaps.
Does this make Newton a "moron" ...No, just ignorant.

reply to post by wmd_2008


You Tube videos aren't lists of creationist hoaxes. Do you have a list, or don't you? The OP has a nice, long list of hoaxes by evolutionists.

I think evolution isn't ever going to have a break through WOW discovery, I really don't believe in that whole missing link idea. I don't think there was ever one single immediate break through in any species ever, however one specific species I can think of that prove evolution are alligators/crocodiles. In the times of dinosaurs they reached as long as 35-40 feet. Nowadays they are much smaller, the largest ever found being 20.24 feet. Did they just adapt by getting smaller? Wouldn't that actually qualify as evolution?

One thing I will point out to the OP who has said not to derail his thread with questioning religion and creationism, you started a discussion regarding the origin of man, claiming evolution is a hoax and creationism is where man came from. When people ask for references to back up creationism, it is part of the topic because you claim that is where man came from. Otherwise you just have an I'm right your wrong RANT and are unwilling to have rational thought. Your beliefs are one-sided, and when questioned you become defensive. Generally in psychology when one is defensive they are in doubt, is that your case? Are you afraid to question the existence of your god due to fear of eternal damnation? In gods eyes you were born with free will and the ability to reason (btw animals reason too, that doesn't separate us from them by any means, but that's another thread) so why would you NOT reason the existence of god?

Adaptation and evolution to me go hand in hand. It is survival of the fittest, and when any species changes anything about itself to adapt to an environment it is evolving. That is why there isn't that breakthrough missing link anywhere, because species don't immediately evolve to the next upgrade, it is a process of a species placed in different climates and/or atmospheres and subtly changing over long periods of time to adapt to their environment.

To all those that think evolution is bunk, explain alligators/crocodiles, as they are living proof of evolution.

I am constantly astounded, by how much weight evolution and creation arguments are given. Millions have fought and died over it for thousands of years, the argument has created separation and discord, even among factions believing the same thing.

The reason why I am astounded, is because the first cause has nothing to do with quality of life here and now other than the animosity this useless argument creates. Say it all was proven it was all created what will that change tomorrow? Say it was all evolved from complex processes at the atomic level what will that change tomorrow? Nothing zip doodle doo... some will say no way to both sides, even in the face of "proof" and the argument will keep going, so the argument itself is moot in the struggle of the human condition. Knowing will not cease the worlds suffering in any way shape or form... so why continue to argue it? Believe what you want and kindly shut up about it, it really won't make a difference tomorrow or any day there after.

Originally posted by JameSimon

Originally posted by The GUT

Originally posted by JameSimon
I guess evolutionary studies are just too much for people that believe that the bible is an actual history book and that Genesis actually tells us how the world started.

Your assumptions are showing. Deism is also being proffered here as a balance to the obvious holes in evolution. Not necessarily in total contradiction either. Certainly not as an argument against adaptation. Maybe your argument is too knee-jerk?

What assumptions? That believing a God created us is completely untested and unverifiable? God/Deism doesn't fill any obvious holes in evolution, it's people that tend to say "god created this/did that" when they don't understand/don't postulate on a subject. Evolution is a fact explained by one of the best supported theories ever. God has no business under this discussion.

Funny how some dismiss god but fall back on the big bang, is the big bang tested and verifiable?

Originally posted by Murgatroid
The truth IS out there but the "History" Channel is the very last place you will find it...

Precisely why I didn't mention The History Channel or Ancient Aliens. That's not to say that they don't get some of it right, but problem is, they need more "facts" than are available to fill so many hours of broadcast, and many of their claims are a reach, at best.

I first learned what I know back in the 70's reading books and studying Ancient Egyptian mythology and The Bible. I can pick pretty much any random page out of the Old Testament and make better sense of it as a UFO/alien story than anything "spiritual".

Originally posted by 1nf1del

Originally posted by JameSimon

Originally posted by The GUT

Originally posted by JameSimon
I guess evolutionary studies are just too much for people that believe that the bible is an actual history book and that Genesis actually tells us how the world started.

Your assumptions are showing. Deism is also being proffered here as a balance to the obvious holes in evolution. Not necessarily in total contradiction either. Certainly not as an argument against adaptation. Maybe your argument is too knee-jerk?

What assumptions? That believing a God created us is completely untested and unverifiable? God/Deism doesn't fill any obvious holes in evolution, it's people that tend to say "god created this/did that" when they don't understand/don't postulate on a subject. Evolution is a fact explained by one of the best supported theories ever. God has no business under this discussion.

Funny how some dismiss god but fall back on the big bang, is the big bang tested and verifiable?

The big bang is actually measurable, by expansion of the universe. It's a widely accepted AND disputed point of origin for everything. Science doesn't beat that theory down your throat for the simple fact that as intelligent as we are, we don't know. They are THEORIES, meaning through observation they become a determination. It's not FACT.

Funny how those that believe in god dismiss every technological discovery by man as an act of "god"

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Funny how some dismiss god but fall back on the big bang, is the big bang tested and verifiable?

Negative, but hey ! Belief in an invisible common spaghetti monster
ancestor of which there is not one shread of proof for anywhere.
And not one account in any ancient scripture or scroll. No
scholarly writings at all. Sure is a lot more liberating than
having to deal with a Creator and all his laws. Sorry, it's just
to convenient if you ask me.

Even if there wasn't a Heavenly Father Creator God by some remote
unheard of chance..There damn well should be someone else to look
up to besides a pack a quacks.

Look if people want to believe that the big bang was set in motion by some God being I have zero qualms with that. I personally do not think that but the word agnostic is in front of the descriptive term of atheist for me so if on day there is some evidence for such a thing I will re-examine my beliefs.

Back to my point though. Those that believe in a deity or deity’s that also are open to scientific theory and embrace the science behind it ( they don’t need to believe it just be agnostic about it which also means try to actually understand the theory’s) well those people are pretty cool IMO. However those like the OP who point out 3 or 4 flaws in a scientific theory then hold that up as the model for the whole theory are a complete waste of time. They are intellectually dishonest and they probably know it in fact they are much like the hoaxers themselves. They are only trying to lead people down the wrong path the one of ignorance.

If it wasn’t for other scientists no one would have known there were hoaxes or flaws in the theory which only proves that the scientific method is solid. Science is trying to find the answers theory’s will change as new evidence and better evidence are discovered however the theories are still sound in concept with each step they come closer to being scientific facts or laws.

Again if you want to believe a god set everything in motion that we know today I can’t understand why anyone would try to argue that. It’s not for me but I think we could all get along like that.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by jiggerj
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If we could take a whole generation of kids and raise them until they reach the age of reason without ever hearing of gods, and then try to convince them that there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, invisible being who created the whole universe, and who lives in another dimension called heaven, and who is perfect in every way, and was never born and will never die... All of those kids would laugh in our faces and throw us in the loony bin.

Gods: They just aren't logical.

Well those kids would come up with their own deities, like the reptilians, little green men from space, or just have faith in evolution. The real trendy ones would go on the internet and revive any of the pagan deities of the past after reading how cool they were.

Oh wait, look around.....thought this was all hypothetical but it's real.

Simple. Your opinion states this:

1 theory has 100 arguments that support her, 5 of them are fabricated: Hoax
1 theory has 0 facts that support her, and is fed by belief: Truth.

Can't you see the logical fallacy here? And I will disproof the whole OP, give me some time to compile a text.

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reply to post by kingofmd

I gave you all some "intellectual honesty". I provided the English definition, and also followed with a disclaimer AGREEING with neither evolution to any common anything...NOR Intelligent Design.

You musta missed that. Youre still trying to defend....and Im smiling at your "but, but, but you haven't....."

Whatever. You not only missed the boat...but you've fallen off the pier...move on please....

My ATS opinion matters here the same 1% as yours....