Best Countries to Move to?

reply to post by gort51


Because, I can't even get a job at McDonald's or Jack in the Box?

After being underemployed whenever I have work, and unemployed the rest of the time, I'm realizing that staying here is a waste of my time.

Employers are much too smart for me here, apparently my not having a steady job is grounds for not hiring me! After 7 years of this ridiculous circular logic, I'm basically done with it.

And since you seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension as well, let me say that I NEVER said that I work in intelligence. What I said is that I gathered information on people "of interest" which is to say "called them up on the phone". There is a huge difference between the two.

How people can be so brainwashed into thinking "whoever doesn't work doesn't want to work" is beyond me. Or perhaps you think that everyone who applies for menial labor gets hired? Let me assure you, that is not the case.

You use the military in your flawed logic. Do you know how many people apply to the military and don't get in? What makes you think that I'd be able to get an intelligence job (something I'm NOT trained for,) one of the hardest jobs to get, in the military or FBI? The fact that I'm posting here most likely automatically disqualifies me.

Please, elaborate.

reply to post by teachtaire


I did read what you wrote. All I saw was excuses to not dig in, move outside your comfort zone, get your hands dirty, and make/do something for/of yourself.

Originally posted by teachtaire
I may as well be broke and underemployed in a different country rather than stick around here waiting for the ball to drop.

Originally posted by teachtaire
Besides, I doubt I could make them believe that I have "valuable skills" which seem to be a requirement to moving there. Not to mention my job history is shady at best and mostly revolves around collecting information on political targets,

Originally posted by teachtaire
as far as I'm aware, that is a useless skill. I can't even get a job washing dishes right now

Originally posted by teachtaire
Especially if they aren't out of college yet...I'm not exactly used to having "normal" jobs like fast food...

I highly doubt that your "skill set" is what is stopping you from working in jobs that want "zombie workers." But wait, is your "skill set" in shady cloak and dagger political maneuvering or is it in space sciences? You seem to have to wildly different career paths here.

I have a BS in Physics from a large Michigan university. I finished near the top of my class, graduated cum laude, did a few internships, etc... Do I work in physics today? Nope! I own my own business in the pet industry. But I built it from nothing from the ground up in a few years. It has been modestly successful, but it also has taken a lot of work, time, dedication, money, and scraping by. This should be the first year of actually being profitable, but with only three years of doing what I do.

Get off your high horse, bub. You're not as important as you think. If you had such ground-breaking and life-changing technology, so do the dozens or hundreds of others that participated in your internship. And if that were truly the case, Monsanto would be all over hiring you (or at least buying you out) so that way they don't lose their control of the industry.

You do realise that Intelligence gathering is as mundane as calling people on the telephone, or just keeping an ear out to what people are saying? Its not all spying behind bushes, you know.

Anyway, you do seem angry. So it is hard to think rationally when you are angry.

Well as far as experience goes, have you thought of doing volunteer work?

Maybe at the local old folks home, or local community church or centre or local hospital or school. It gives you the pleasure of doing something for your community, and gives you tangible experience. If you do a good job, maybe the folks will give you a positive reference, that can then be presented to suitable employers as your "Experience".

Would'nt that be better than just getting angry about the World, and wasting your energy on negativity?

How about mowing the neighbours lawn or some gardening (for a small fee), get in their good books, and another reference.
Small steps at a time, might lead to that giant leap.

Just trying to help...you did ask for opinions.

America is one of the best countries on planet earth to live in. Dont' kid yourself. They're not all bad yet. They're still way more opportunity than other places. Canada is not a good option. And since I live here i can't say way, for fear that this internet connection is being monitored by the cdn g=v. Canada is socialist. They're not capitalist. What that means is where closer to nazi germany or Stallinistic socviet russia. So no I would avid it here. You wouldn't like the winters anyway. If I were you I wouldn't move out of the country. Just pick the state that has the things you want in it. Then move there. For me that would be california or Florida. And just find a nice small town to live in where people have more family values. That's probably your best option really.

reply to post by cmdrkeenkid


Look, I don't have the patience to be trolled.

I never claimed to be important.

You are avoiding a logical explanation while trying to shift the balance of the communicative cycle against me personally.

Either give a logical explanation or remain silent.

reply to post by gort51


I'm direct and to the point. Logical. Honest.

That is not angry. Were I actually angry, I would probably try to bring this website down or at least have the mods close the thread.

reply to post by tyfon


I'm another American that has considered Norway in the future (along with 4 other potential countries). I have a last bit of schooling to complete but then am seriously considering moving out of the country due to the events of the past few years (expanding of the Patriot Act, never ending wars, domestic spying, corporate personhood, corporate control of congress, and others).

My now deceased grandparents were from Norway so it seems like a country I would have some ancestral roots in. I've done a bit of reading about the country and my biggest reservation honestly, is the idea of living under a monarch. This may be a decidedly American thing but that just doesn't sit well with me. The other thing is the language, while English is obviously no issue for me, I'm quite bad at learning additional languages. After 2 years of Japanese and 6 years of Spanish after which I learned almost nothing and have remembered even less I can honestly say language classes would be wasted on me, it's just not one of my strong points (which is quite humorous as I picked up English fast... I was reading before I was 3 years old). Is being able to only speak English much of an issue there?

The other issue I suppose would be employment, my skills are in data analysis (self taught) and an education background that's technology based which I've read is in high demand so I can't imagine that being an issue (basically anything you can imagine doing with a computer or to a computer I can do, from sysadmin to photoshop to building them and I'm even a pretty competent programmer).

On the subject of taxes, you say they're high but your example only came to 30%, then another 25% of what you purchase in sales tax, which basically amounts to a total tax rate of 48%. Here in the US it's more like 25% in income tax, another 8% in state tax, then another 5% in city tax, and then finally 7% of the remainder in sales tax for a total rate of 42%. 48% vs 42% isn't a very big gap, and you get far more services for those tax dollars.

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
reply to post by teachtaire

 

Your attitude of "no future here" is half the problem of what's wrong with the United States. So many people, especially the youth, have the mindset of giving up, moving on, and hoping someone else will take care of the problems.

I think it's that the problems are just so massive, and we're finding out they're getting worse by the day. It's quite easy to see things as a hopeless situation. The police are out of control, the media might as well be state controlled with their lack of reporting on critical issues, domestic spying violates every law in our constitution while congress and the president support it, and corporations outright own congress. There's a level of corruption right now that cannot be gotten rid of, every check and balance on the system is corrupt. To make matters worse, the politicans in office now (especially Obama) based entire campaigns around removing this corruption, instead they expanded it. How is one supposed to take the political process seriously and fight for actual change when that happens?

reply to post by gort51


Because helping the neighbors "for free" is something I'm done with.

I've wasted too much of my time doing "favors" for people who do nothing for me in return. Is that the "nice" thing to do? Most of the time. But do "nice" people get anywhere in the world? In a word, no.

As to your knowledge of intelligence gathering, how would you have such knowledge of that?

It seems many people are talking out of their asses about things they have no experience with. Like being unemployed.

Let me state that I'm not considering moving to some Nordic country that has a monarchy. The only reason I showed interest in that region is because I feel it s a likely place for Snowden to travel to due to Finlands border with Russia and the fact that the person who brought it up actually lived there.

I'd feel like a midget in an ice chest if I moved there.

*EDIT* And I'll admit that I've had offers for interviews. The only problem is that they're thousands of miles away from me and are "at will" employment for minimum wage paying jobs. If I move that far for a job that will fire me after a month so they don't have to give me benefits, I may as well move that much further and explore another country for a couple of years. I mean really, what is the difference at that point?

reply to post by teachtaire


I'm hardly doing anything to "troll" anyone, much less you. You asked for opinions and advice; I gave mine.

I pointed out a few key reasons with just how difficult it is to transition to another country. They don't want more people, much less foreigners, leaching off their welfare systems. They would rather employ a natural born citizen rather than a foreigner. The negative outcomes of staying in a foreign country on an expired visa.

I suggested several opportunities for gainful employment, all of which would require little to no skills, training, or education. Examples were retail, data entry, entry level sales, the medical field, or truck driver. You claim to be too high and mighty for them and that you "can't even get a job at McDonald's or Jack in the Box." Whether or not you're saying that it would be "underemployment," the last time I checked, "underemployment" was still far better off than unemployment.

I stated that all logically. The only thing I did to "troll" you was disagree with what you wanted to hear. But, hey, that's all your prerogative and clearly one that is not about to change anytime soon. Good luck in life.

reply to post by Aazadan


You're correct in saying things are headed down hill. I absolutely agree with you. But the grass is not always greener on the other side. You asked, "How is one supposed to take the political process seriously and fight for actual change when that happens?" People fought against corruption and a broken system in the 1960s for racial civil rights. It took time, it took lots of work, it took its toll on a generation. But they prevailed. Recently, equal rights for gay, lesbian, etc... have been in the works. It has taken time, it has taken lots of work, it will surley be a few more years before they're done. But they're winning too.

Giving up hope and desire for change in place of complacency will certainly not make anything positive happen.

reply to post by teachtaire


For the record, I was "underemployed" during my college years and shortly thereafter, working one of the retail jobs I mentioned while trying to find a career with my degree. Following that, I spent a good year and a half unemployed, working odd jobs around the neighborhood and for family and friends for extra cash. So I'm fairly aware of what it's like. But then I grew up and made something for myself.

reply to post by cmdrkeenkid


Well, if this country is any example, if the jobs I apply to on a general basis are any example, employers are MORE willing to hire the illegal immigrant who can't even speak the language.

If I take this information and project it to other countries, I have a better chance of getting a job if I move and can't speak the language.

And as stated, I've been looking for work.

I've even applied for those jobs that you refer to. Multiple times.

As to being "high and mighty" I'm sorry if you are intimidated by me. I certainly don't think I'm high and mighty. I'm just a guy like any other guy.

But the fact of the matter is that one of my skills is making a device which could nominally be considered a satellite that is about the size of a soda can or pringles container, among other things. Do I think that is special? No, not really. Is that a skill that will help me get a job at a retail store?

The fact that all of the retail stores hire teenage girls that are beautiful to look at, in an attempt to raise sales, bodes ill for me.

In this "real world" situation, rather than being prideful of these skills of mine, I find them an annoyance and consider the time spent developing them wasted. Like everyone else does.

So I'm sorry that you think I'm being "prideful", I'm actually stating that in my current situation, my skills are useless. And using them would be most likely considered illegal.

And all of the guys who share my skill set and actually get paid to use them legally went to harvard or MIT, so basically intellectual discrimination dictates that I'll NEVER get to actually use them gainfully.

So you were underemployed in college? Okay, what year was that in? Things have been changing pretty quickly; manufacturing being a prime example.

reply to post by cmdrkeenkid


The changes in the civil rights era aren't really comparable to the big issues today in my opinion. They're analogous to gay rights but that's not what's plaguing the country. Just some of the issues with the law enforcement:
1. A cops word is worth more than your word or evidence in court.
2. The police are essentially in charge of prosecuting themselves through the DA. It happens in a very small number of cases.
3. Police brutality is shooting through the roof. We get 5 new videos of police beatings a day.
4. The police are better armed than the military of many nations. We've essentially sidestepped Posse Comitatus.
5. The police get to keep the money from asset confiscation, this is resulting in many people losing their property, and having no means to get it back. They can even take your property before you're guilty or even stand trial.
6. For profit prisons hand out contracts to cities to make sure they remain at x% of capacity.
7. Increasingly tougher sentences due to a public need for politicians to not get a reputation as soft on crime, despite there being no evidence harsher sentences actually reduce crime.
8. A prison system that describes itself as reform oriented yet has the one of the highest rates of recidivism in the world.

I didn't even touch the problems with congress, the NSA, corporations, the quickly disappearing middle class, endless wars, and so many other things. It's all overwhelming, and there's no branch of government to start from in order to focus on change. During the civil rights movement, they were able to focus efforts on public acceptance and then congressional pressure when there was enough support. In the case of the NSA for example however, there's huge public support to eliminate domestic spying and repeal the Patriot Act, the president even campaigned on both of those issues, and was in large part elected (and then reelected) based on that stance. We all know how that turned out.

Basically, during the civil rights movement they fought using the will of the people. We currently have a very clear will of the people and it doesn't mean a thing to those in charge. That is the key difference. Anyways, while I love talking about these issues, I won't reply on it anymore in this thread to avoid a derail.

reply to post by teachtaire


I hear you OP, seems like quite a few people here can't get the message and they are playing the same record again and again.

I understand your wish to get up and go somewhere too, I've lived in 5 countries before and i'm now planning on going to the sixth. I'm not from the U.S but from the #hole of the world (Israel), definitely one of the worst places you could possibly immigrant to. Just imagine LA with people x1000 more rude, impatient, and trying to survive financially by all means. You get the point. And yes, even in here people have these stupid "patriotic" (government approved) comments of "why would you ever want to leave? it's so great here, don't look only at the negative things" that kind of comments. Well life is not about sticking to the ground and stay no matter what, this loyalty at the end breeds stupidity because that's a part of the Matrix. People who were living in a cave for all of their lives would be afraid as hell to leave that stinky small cave cause that's all they have got.

About 'the best country to move to', i'm afraid there's no such thing. Lets shorten this wish to a much smaller scale. First there's you, and then there's the world. And perception is something which in between can make "the greatest country in the world" (The U.S) to turn into a big living sewerage. That's why you get a lot of these comments as well, so what you should ask is not "what are the best countries to move to?" but "what are the best countries possibly for me?".

I reckoned that prejudices have a lot of impact in one's decision of where to move to, and that's understandable since in that position of scraping for pieces of information online you are totally ignorant, so you hold onto these pieces of information regardless if that's right or wrong for you. The best example is the many opinions of Africa or different parts of Asia. Some people were looking for a simple life and couldn't find what they're looking for anywhere else. The more you can challenge yourself, the more open you are to all of the world's possibilities.

So my best advice for you is just to remain active and alert, something will pop up. And idea, a suggestion, an offer, who knows. If you put your energy and thought into it something will happen. Don't close yourself to anything, stay open and with the questions and sooner or later ideas will raise to the surface. When the time come, you will know that's where you should be heading.

Best of luck on your journey my friend.

France i would stay clear off, just because its france.

Just because it's France???

Care to make us a little clearer and elaborate on that subject please?

I moved to France 25 years ago from the UK, not having any problems as i have fitted in very well with my adoptive country and also have shown heartfelt tolerance towards the French people, as they have equally done so for me!

I looked for a job and found one, married a wonderful French lady and we built ourselves a life that we simply could not have had if i had stayed in the UK.

I guess you have never been there or if you have you have had a bad experience making you anti-French for the rest of your life or you know someone who told you that France is terrible???

Might be an idea to open up and take these off?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

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