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Bill requires all Idaho kids to read ‘Atlas Shrugged’
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BOISE – Coeur d’Alene Sen. John Goedde, chairman of the Idaho Senate’s Education Committee, introduced legislation Tuesday to require every Idaho high school student to read Ayn Rand’s “Atlas Shrugged” and pass a test on it to graduate from high school.
When Sen. Bob Nonini, R-Coeur d’Alene, asked Goedde why he chose that particular book, Goedde said to laughter, “That book made my son a Republican.”
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Irony
Now, I'm not completely against this idea. Kids should be exposed to as many opportunities to learn and to grow as possible. Different sources of information can expand a child's mind, increasing their awareness of the world around them and expand their understanding.
Not really sure that forcing a child through legislation to read a story about the evils of government intervention is pretty much a textbook definition of irony.
For the record, I read Atlas Shrugged, once, only once, and then spent the rest of the week drowning my brain in whisky in order to purge the banality of that text from my brain.
edit on 7-8-2013 by HauntWok because: (no reason given)
reply to post by HauntWok
Some of conservatives favorite lines:
"Keep your government hands off my medicare/social security."
"We are free to do what we want, unless you are a woman and then an old man will tell you what to do."
and now a new one.
"We, the government, is forcing you to read this book that will teach you not to let government force you to do things."
I sometimes wonder if these conservative politicians realize their hypocrisy and don't care or if they are truly ignorant to it.
Some of conservatives favorite lines:
"Keep your government hands off my medicare/social security."
"We are free to do what we want, unless you are a woman and then an old man will tell you what to do."
and now a new one.
"We, the government, is forcing you to read this book that will teach you not to let government force you to do things."
I sometimes wonder if these conservative politicians realize their hypocrisy and don't care or if they are truly ignorant to it.
Now, I'm not completely against this idea. Kids should be exposed to as many opportunities to learn and to grow as possible
Seriously ?
Why yes kids should only be indoctrinated in to BS like global warming, and other nonsense.
How dare anyone be made to read a book in school !
Forks sakes I didn't want to read Wuthering Heights did anyway.
Meh
Well good. They should. And they should be required to read "Anthem" as well.
en.wikipedia.org...(novella)
en.wikipedia.org...(novella)
Originally posted by neo96
Now, I'm not completely against this idea. Kids should be exposed to as many opportunities to learn and to grow as possible
Seriously ?
Why yes kids should only be indoctrinated in to BS like global warming, and other nonsense.
How dare anyone be made to read a book in school !
Forks sakes I didn't want to read Wuthering Heights did anyway.
Meh
The fact that some people think Science is BS and nonsense says more about the sad state of our country than anything else does.
You can disagree about the possible solutions to global warming, but you can't disagree with the fact that the planets climate is changing at a rapid pace when compared to other time periods.
Yeah pretty easy why some people have problems with Atlas Shrugged :
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How dare they ! ! ! ! !
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How dare they ! ! ! ! !
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Care to quote that ?
Maybe people should actually read Atlas Shrugged or watch the movies.
Don't care to listen to what any global warming advocate has to say just like they don't care to listen to what Atlas Shrugged says.
For the record science yes, not junk science that has been hijacked by politics to push an political agenda.
The fact that some people think Science is BS and nonsense says more about the sad state of our country than anything else does.
Care to quote that ?
You can disagree about the possible solutions to global warming, but you can't disagree with the fact that the planets climate is changing at a rapid pace when compared to other time periods.
Maybe people should actually read Atlas Shrugged or watch the movies.
Don't care to listen to what any global warming advocate has to say just like they don't care to listen to what Atlas Shrugged says.
For the record science yes, not junk science that has been hijacked by politics to push an political agenda.
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I read Atlas Shrugged in my last year of High School on my own accord. While I enjoyed the story, its utterly unrealistic, inhuman characters pushed
me to the left. It wouldn't be a lie to say that Ayn Rand helped turn me into a socialist. For that, I am forever grateful.
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I think the even bigger irony is the content itself. Ayn Rand is practically the founder of modern Satanic philosophy.
Fundies are sooooooooo confused about their own ideologies. If they ever came to reconcile their political and religious beliefs, this government would be in for some trouble.
I think the even bigger irony is the content itself. Ayn Rand is practically the founder of modern Satanic philosophy.
Fundies are sooooooooo confused about their own ideologies. If they ever came to reconcile their political and religious beliefs, this government would be in for some trouble.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by AlienScience
The fact that some people think Science is BS and nonsense says more about the sad state of our country than anything else does.
Care to quote that ?
You can disagree about the possible solutions to global warming, but you can't disagree with the fact that the planets climate is changing at a rapid pace when compared to other time periods.
Maybe people should actually read Atlas Shrugged or watch the movies.
Don't care to listen to what any global warming advocate has to say just like they don't care to listen to what Atlas Shrugged says.
For the record science yes, not junk science that has been hijacked by politics to push an political agenda.edit on 7-8-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
"Junk science" that has been hijacked by politics isn't "science".
I had to read Anthem and Atlas Shrugged, we also watched "The Fountainhead". I come from a bleeding red state, obviously.
I love it. They want the government to stay the hell out of their lives, then turn around and insert the government into their lives by forcing a book into the schools with an obvious political/moral/ethical agenda.
Do as I say, not as I do ... that appears to be the mantra these days.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by AlienScience
The fact that some people think Science is BS and nonsense says more about the sad state of our country than anything else does.
Care to quote that ?
You can disagree about the possible solutions to global warming, but you can't disagree with the fact that the planets climate is changing at a rapid pace when compared to other time periods.
Maybe people should actually read Atlas Shrugged or watch the movies.
Don't care to listen to what any global warming advocate has to say just like they don't care to listen to what Atlas Shrugged says.
For the record science yes, not junk science that has been hijacked by politics to push an political agenda.edit on 7-8-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)
I've read Atlas Shrugged, it is a decent FICTION book. So is 1984...so is Star Wars (yes, there are books)...so is Starship Troopers...all have interesting political themes in their books of FICTION.
These are not documentaries or handbooks...they are works of fiction...that seems to be the disconnect.
May I ask who declared Climate Change "junk science"? Which scientist or scientific organization has declared it "junk science"?
Poor kids, I feel bad for them, I couldn't watch that garbage, nor read it.
I loved the msg but the plot was as if Benstien was reading me the whole thing, letter by letter with his long drawn out monotoned voice.
Idaho, why, you are such a pretty state and at the same time backwards as a cow milking a farmer for cereal.
I loved the msg but the plot was as if Benstien was reading me the whole thing, letter by letter with his long drawn out monotoned voice.
Idaho, why, you are such a pretty state and at the same time backwards as a cow milking a farmer for cereal.
There was a farmer, had a dog, indoctrination was his name-o...
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Give me a freaking break the opposite of that coin does the same damn things.
I do agree most issues are the pot calling the kettle.
I love it. They want the government to stay the hell out of their lives, then turn around and insert the government into their lives by forcing a book into the schools with an obvious political/moral/ethical agenda.
Give me a freaking break the opposite of that coin does the same damn things.
Do as I say, not as I do ... that appears to be the mantra these days.
I do agree most issues are the pot calling the kettle.
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Tell me for a group of people who can't admits mans role in murdering another person blames a thing, then turns around and blames man for 'killing the planet'.
The GWC lacks consistency.
Climate change is real has been doing it's things for millions,billions of years, then comes an arrogant lot trying to blame man so they can pass laws, and create a totalitarian state under the false pretense of saving the people.
Reminds me of Atlas Shrugged.
May I ask who declared Climate Change "junk science"? Which scientist or scientific organization has declared it "junk science"?
Tell me for a group of people who can't admits mans role in murdering another person blames a thing, then turns around and blames man for 'killing the planet'.
The GWC lacks consistency.
Climate change is real has been doing it's things for millions,billions of years, then comes an arrogant lot trying to blame man so they can pass laws, and create a totalitarian state under the false pretense of saving the people.
Reminds me of Atlas Shrugged.
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
The hypocrisy is equal on both sides of the political fence. Each side thinks the other is the problem. IMO both sides are out of control which is strangling everything, so nothing gets done.
In the olden days we had to read Animal Farm and 1984 where I went to school. With the Cold War on they thought it very important we read those books to protect against exactly what we are seeing now.
We often heard of the horrors of the Soviet Union where you had to carry papers with you and go through checkpoints to travel. In our then free country the thought of that was almost inconceivable. The idea a citizen would have to show identification papers to travel inside their own country was so repulsive it's hard to describe. Now look what we have with TSA now branching out into everything from trains to events.
I think kids need to learn to think. They should make books favoring both points of view mandatory so they can make up their own minds.
The real problem is this partisan insanity. The Left will say how horrible it is to have kids read conservative books and the Right will say the same about progressive books. Give the kids both and let them use their own brains to make up their own minds. Neither side should be allowed to brainwash children to their points of view.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
What idiot would back a law forcing a student to read this book? Funny how people want the government out of their lives but welcome them with open
arms when they are forcing something they like on everyone. Rand was nothing but a hypocritical old bitch who did nothing but whine about the
government but grabbed all the government aid she could get.
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I don't know about anywhere else, but in this thread I haven't seen anyone say think this is a horrible idea...just a hypocritical one.
I personally think kids should read absolutely everything from left, right, center, religious, non-religious, scientific, fiction, fantasy, drama, horror.
But I don't see anyone here saying how this is horrible...just funny.
The Left will say how horrible it is to have kids read conservative books and the Right will say the same about progressive books.
I don't know about anywhere else, but in this thread I haven't seen anyone say think this is a horrible idea...just a hypocritical one.
I personally think kids should read absolutely everything from left, right, center, religious, non-religious, scientific, fiction, fantasy, drama, horror.
But I don't see anyone here saying how this is horrible...just funny.
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It is also arrogant to think that mankind who has been putting millions of tonnes of pollution which was growing geometrically every year for the last couple of centuries has had no effect on the climate.
Climate change is real has been doing it's things for millions,billions of years, then comes an arrogant lot trying to blame man so they can pass laws, and create a totalitarian state under the false pretense of saving the people.
It is also arrogant to think that mankind who has been putting millions of tonnes of pollution which was growing geometrically every year for the last couple of centuries has had no effect on the climate.
As a kid in high school, we had a "Required Reading" course. Atlas Shrugged was on it. I thought it was a pretty good book. When our discussions got
too intense, we had a nun who'd say stuff like: "Just read the book and trust your judgement. How did the book make you feel?"
Process the raw data and trust your higher self. I think she was related to Terrence McKenna!
Process the raw data and trust your higher self. I think she was related to Terrence McKenna!
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