Groundbreaking Investigation Reveals Monsanto Teamed Up With US Military; Targets Scientists,

Originally posted by Granite
reply to post by Phage

 

Why are you trying to "own" this thread?

That's a good one. As if I could.

No. I'm not trying to "own" this thread. But maybe I can get someone to use their own faculties and think rather than just believing everything that supports their ideas and blindly dismissing everything that doesn't.

But that's probably just as silly as trying to "own" this thread.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by xuenchen

 

OK, I will try to come to your level (up or down I don't know yet)

Can you show me specific language in any law that says anything about labeling packages with pesticide information ???

But that wasn't the claim, was it?

You accepted the claim without bothering to investigate. Then, when asked, what do we get?
Well...errr...umm...they are just generalizing.

You repeated the claim. You prove it is not a lie. Should be easy to do.

But no, demand that I prove a negative. Prove it isn't the law. Why is it that so often becomes the ultimate fall back position? You repeated the claim and you try to put me on the defensive when I question it. Good logic there.

Absence of language in a law leaves it wide open to any interpretation by anybody.

I didn't investigate.....shame on me.

I stand punished.

Silence in any law is usually more deafening than an atom bomb.

If the law we are talking about had specific language about food labels and pesticides, I'm certain you would have pointed them out.

I suppose the silence does in fact "bar" the FDA by default from labeling pesticide info.
There is no specific 'authority' given in the law is there ?

reply to post by burntheships


your welcome.
and i will keep on digging.

i've found a lot on both sides, good and bad. but that's not for this thread.

Monsanto wants to control the world's food supply. It shouldn't be any surprise that they embed themselves within the most powerful and corrupt governing body on the planet; incidentally also the one with the world's largest, most aggressive military platform.

Originally posted by Granite
reply to post by Phage

 

Why are you trying to "own" this thread?

I don't think Phage is trying to "own" this thread. After reading through this, it seems, as usual, that Phage is combating ignorance by the droves. On this entire forum it happens all the time where some member chimes in with uninformed bits of info usually a result of propaganda or being parroted from another person -- without fully investigating the claims - Edit: (or reading the article(s) or thread).

As the information stands today, it leans in favor of biotech companies -- for whatever reason(s).

If you don't like it, don't eat it, if you can find a label for such (which you can't), and I personally don't agree with that. If one day GMO labeling were existent and you found out just about everything you ate was or could be tainted with GMO ingredients, would you be able to completely change your diet? Could you afford it too?

Originally posted by Philippines
. If one day GMO labeling were existent and you found out just about everything you ate was or could be tainted with GMO ingredients, would you be able to completely change your diet?

I think you just made our point for us.

Could you afford it too?

Again, our point exactly. And if we could afford too as individuals,
what about food freedom for everyone else?

reply to post by Phage


I see companies spraying pesticides and poisons on food that the general population eats and calling it healthy as bad science, then said companies fighting any bill that tries to make them label their foods as GMO as bad business, but to each his own I guess.

Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by Philippines
. If one day GMO labeling were existent and you found out just about everything you ate was or could be tainted with GMO ingredients, would you be able to completely change your diet?

I think you just made our point for us.

Could you afford it too?

Again, our point exactly. And if we could afford too as individuals,
what about food freedom for everyone else?

edit on 3-8-2013 by burntheships because: (no reason given)

Yep. It's every man for himself. The way it always has been. Nowadays the game is stacked on the dealer's side though, especially in the USA and Westernized places.

At this point in time all I can do is look out for the well being of myself and family, while raising awareness to others -- but it is still their decision to make as well.

reply to post by xuenchen

I stand punished.

Not punished. Lied to.
But you don't care, do you?

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

I see companies spraying pesticides and poisons on food that the general population eats and calling it healthy as bad science, then said companies fighting any bill that tries to make them label their foods as GMO as bad business, but to each his own I guess.

Yes, farmers are using pesticides on their fields. They have been for a long time.

Yes, Monsanto (and farmers) fight GMO labeling but not "as bad business". But, in case you hadn't noticed, I agree that GMOs should be labeled.

reply to post by Phage


Why should they be labeled then? Is there any particular reason you feel that way? Why is Monsanto fighting labeling their products as GMO? Most of the population pays no attention to GMO news or the studies that have been done with them, so why should they (Monsanto) care?

The only reason I can see is because GMO's have long term health effects, and labeling them warns people of these effects and gives them a choice, however small it may be. If people see the GMO labeling, they may get curious and start researching it, and Monsanto definitely doesn't want that, do they?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I stand punished.

Not punished. Lied to.
But you don't care, do you?

Let me think.

I'm not sure if I care.

The silence in the laws are the lies.

Lies by silence are the punishment.

The mis-interpretations are easy to see and ignore.

Whewww....I'm glad that's all you 'heard'.

reply to post by xuenchen

I'm not sure if I care.

What a surprise. Lied to time and again and you go on believing.
"Monsanto Protection Bill means the courts can't do anything about poisonous plants!"
"Study proves GMOs are harmful!"

Yeah. Baby. Give me more lies.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Why should they be labeled then? Is there any particular reason you feel that way?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Why is Monsanto fighting labeling their products as GMO?

Several reasons. Here is one:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The only reason I can see is because GMO's have long term health effects, and labeling them warns people of these effects and gives them a choice, however small it may be.

And what have been your sources of information that lead you to this "only reason". It must be nice to have such a simple view of the world, one where things have only one reason.

Originally posted by Phage

"Monsanto Protection Bill means the courts can't do anything about poisonous plants!"

Mhm, its known as symbiotic.
Aka, the revolving door.

Michael Taylor case in point, a Monsanto food expert, now deputy commissioner for foods at the
Food and Drug Administration. The newly created position is the first to oversee all the agency’s
many food and nutrition programs.

Posted: March 3, 2009

In March 1994, Taylor was publicly exposed as a former lawyer for the Monsanto corporation for seven years. While working for Monsanto, Taylor had prepared a memo for the company as to whether or not it would be constitutional for states to erect labelling laws concerning rBGH dairy products. In other words Taylor helped Monsanto figure out whether or not the corporation could sue states or companies that wanted to tell the public that their products were free of Monsanto's drug.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

reply to post by burntheships

And, of course, you ignore the lie.

I don't care if GMO is bad for you or not, I simply don't want to give a profit to Monsanto. Period.

I don't like anyone toying around with natural things... no matter what company it is. Monsanto has done terrible things no matter if you can find excuses for what they do to food and somebody, not sure who... makes the seeds in food not grow. I'm pretty sure monsanto does this too. they are screwing with the seeds and are going to wind up causing us to not be able to grow stuff, period... and then they'll be like "Oops"

There's no telling what the long term effects will be to any of this. To our bodies and to plant strains period.

reply to post by Phage


So what other reason would Monsanto have to actively fight GMO labeling? Any ideas? Because I see no other reason other than it hurting their profits.

If their practices hold no health risk to anyone, they would have absolutely no problem labeling them, but apparently they do have a problem with it and they see it as hurting their bottom line. They know what they're doing is wrong, and to prevent people finding that out, they fight the labeling bills tooth and nail.

I see no other reason, but if you have any ideas, please share.

reply to post by Phage


Do you think Monsanto would actually allow the courts to do anything about poisonous plants?

They obviously had no trouble getting the "Monsanto Protection Act" passed, something that allows them to keep pumping out their frankenfoods even if they've been suspected as being poisonous and harmful. They also had no trouble preventing their foods from being labeled.

Monsanto has money to spare, I'm sure they'd weasel their way out of it somehow.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

So what other reason would Monsanto have to actively fight GMO labeling? Any ideas? Because I see no other reason other than it hurting their profits.

You know...it's kind of annoying when links are posted and not read. Here is what I said:

The single greatest problem is the tracking of GMO vs. non-GMO products. Our food, including processed food (bread and stuff) comes from a wide variety sources. The corn used for those tortillas you bought at the market didn't come from just one farm. In order to be able to "certify" that those tortillas are non-GMO, every kernal of corn has to be accounted for. Every link in the supply chain which occurs has to be tracked.

Now, who's responsibility is it to do the tracking? The farmers? The company who sold the seed (and Monsanto is not the only seller of GMO seed)? The shipping companies? The tortilla factory? Who gets fined or sued when it turns out that a batch of certified non-GMO tortillas has a bit of GMO in it?