Missouri rancher suspects aliens mutilated her cows

Originally posted by MuzzleBreak
Lightning can explode whole trees--and explode bone and flesh also.
Small depressions in the ground offer only very little protection.

Lightning explodes trees because of the water within and the lack of a path to earth. The energy of the strike release is via explosive expansion because the wood cannot store nor conduct the electricity. So it goes 'boom'.

Humans survive lightning strikes because we can and do conduct electrical current rather well and are generally on the floor. Ones that die suffer catastrophic heating and injuries are internal mainly. They do not get an eye removed, cheek baffle remove nor anally cored. Look at the football team that dies when lightning struck the ground amongst them. Catastrophic injuries, but here is the kicker - if left alone, animals would of eaten them not left them as if they were toxic.

Sheriff gets involved only if owner calls.

My family has raised cattle for generations. I have enjoyed hunting on many continents, Africa on multiple occasions. I have seen many animals, domestic and wild, that have been dead for one reason or the other--GSWs to illness to fighting, etc.--for a night or more and laid out in the bush or pasture. The soft parts nearly always get eaten if there is any nearby cover for small or medium carnivores. Every picture I've seen on the internet of alleged mutilations is the same--dead animal with the soft parts chewed off by small sharp teeth.

Come to think of it--That would be a great science project of a high school kid . Hang a game-tracker camera over a dead critter near the woods (road kill deer would be perfect). Video the martians or possums or whatever.

Originally posted by MuzzleBreak
Sheriff gets involved only if owner calls.

My family has raised cattle for generations. I have enjoyed hunting on many continents, Africa on multiple occasions. I have seen many animals, domestic and wild, that have been dead for one reason or the other--GSWs to illness to fighting, etc.--for a night or more and laid out in the bush or pasture. The soft parts nearly always get eaten if there is any nearby cover for small or medium carnivores. Every picture I've seen on the internet of alleged mutilations is the same--dead animal with the soft parts chewed of by small sharp teeth.

Come to think of it--That would be a great science project of a high school kid . Hang a game-tracker camera over a dead critter near the woods (road kill deer would be perfect). Video the martians or possums or whatever.

for the science project. Good idea. Nature is a great educator.
for small sharp teeth argument. Its patently clear from what I have been reading that the deaths where no trails footprints or animal marks are found, are unnatural and not due to any predation. The laser like incisions, the core sample sites, the lack of interest in the deceased by other herd members, all points to unnatural causes.

One thing I learnt about predators of all sizes, is that if they can eat the liver and heart, they will do but the area around is a bloody mess. Also, when the entrails are eaten, they are shaken to remove contents.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


There is a case I am currently reading about out of Colorado that is quite interesting.
These folks, the Millers, have lost several calves. Weird circumstances around the cases such as the momma not trying to protect her calves.
Seems pretty normal. Until you realize that the Miller's ranch borders other cattle ranches and NOBODY else is losing cattle. Just the Millers. They have lost like seven.
Those are some awfully picky predators. And what is up with finding a mutilated cow inside a crop circle?! That is strange.

The story of the British Police Superintendent does raise a good few questions. A relative finds a sheep mutilated on his land. He tells no-one and phones his vet to come and collect the animal so as to be able to examine it and try and determine the cause of death. The next thing he knows there's people from the ministry loading the carcass into a truck and yet, no-one has spoken to them. The only way the could have known about the death was if they werre routinely hacking people's phones and listening for key phrases.

The Superintendent threatens the ministry with legal action over the theft and unlawful removal of his relatives property and he is then warned off proceeding by people higher up the food chain. All this over a dead sheep?; That simply doesn't compute. Something is quite obviously going on, what that something is we can;t say. However, the ministry Defra, don;t hack phones and turn up in rural parts of England to illegally take away the carcasses of animals stuck by lightning or victims of natural predation..

reply to post by FireMoon


Any sheep that dies in Britain and is reported to veterinarian always gets quick and serious attention. Several horribly contagious illnesses--some used in bio-terrorism--can kill sheep in a big hurry.

reply to post by Astr0


I have found cases where animals neglect the body, and also SOME cases where animals still feed on the body after the fact. The case I am reading now shows one eye pecked out by birds and one cored out. There is a start contrast, and frankly it is creepy.

ETA: warning, graphic images. www.ufonut.com...

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


Could you take a look at this one for me?
www.ufonut.com...

What sort of predator COMPLETELY SKINS a cow, leaving only the head attached to the spine?
The ribs appear to be sawn in half at the same length.

Again, graphic images.

reply to post by Astr0


I would have to disagree with some of what you believe you have learned. Very few civilized people would be able to see small carnivore tracks in the absence of dust or mud.

One very common, but relatively new "eater" is the black buzzard. We previously just had only the old common turkey buzzards in the Ozarks, but the black buzzards have moved in over the past decade. Turkey buzzards only eat carrion, but black buzzards will actually kill newborn calves. Several times I've driven them off when they are surrounding a cow in the process of calving. They will first eat out the eyes, umbilicus, and anus of a newborn calf, killing it, then continue eating it until dark, when they go to roost. Then other night-time critters will usually consume most of the remaining carcase.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by MuzzleBreak

 

Could you take a look at this one for me?
www.ufonut.com...

What sort of predator COMPLETELY SKINS a cow, leaving only the head attached to the spine?
The ribs appear to be sawn in half at the same length.

Again, graphic images.

That is typical of big canines--wolves, dogs, and possibly a pack of big coyotes. A single male cougar could also do it. Predators not infrequently pull the hide off of kills. The hide is quite tough--except for the "soft parts".
When baiting leopards in Africa, it was amazing how often the bait would be eaten in the trees, and we simply could not find tracks on the ground. Sometimes we could determine the sex of the leopard by how they ate. The female and younger leopards would not eat ribs past where the cartilage connects, but adult male leopard could eat half or more of all the ribs. The bait animals were usually in the 150#-300# size antelope.

Here's a local goat that had been alive the night before. Coyotes killed and ate him. You can see a big portion of his hide is not eaten. Also, the little possum/etc critters haven't had a chance to eat his nose and eyes yet.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


I would probably tend to agree here, except for one key point. That hide should be soaked in blood. The blood is gone.

Originally posted by JayinAR
reply to post by MuzzleBreak

 

I would probably tend to agree here, except for one key point. That hide should be soaked in blood. The blood is gone.

Suggest you help skin any dead critter. There won't be hardly any bleeding. The predators kill first, eat after killing--or find something already dead. IF they skinned it alive, then there would be bleeding

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


The animal is completely inside out!
The blood doesn't just disappear, dead or not there should be blood.

Leopards will eat any old crap and they usually store it in a tree where they will leave it to "mature" often for days returning to take a nibble now and then . Nothing unusual about that behaviour at all. in fact in parts of Africa. leopards have become a bit of an issue nosing around municipal rubbish tips and people's back gardens,

The idea that it's all animals doesn't stack up with the facts. Horses stripped to the neck in hours in England when the top predator is a badger.? Fully grown stag's heads found neatly severed with no blood save some congealed round the wound, which wasn't done with a blade?

Fifteen ponies killed over night, all mutilated in exactly the same fashion, wild dogs following a script to the letter?

In a sense, Britain and much of Northern Europe is the "control" due to the fact we simply don;t have large predators and our main carrion birds are nothing much bigger than the corvine family. In fact, in Britain if it is animals then the ministry are stuck between a rock and a hard place. If it is a large predator then they have been lying about the presence of the so called ABCs in the British countryside. Otherwise known as the "Alien Big Cat" phenomenon. I should point out, Alien in this context simply means foreign, not extra terrestrial

reply to post by FireMoon


I would like to see a link to some of those British mutilations to see the evidence.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


Do you not have a counter point?
I understand that post mordem you can skin an animal without shedding much blood...
...but in the example I provided above, the animal was torn completely apart. EVERYTHING has been removed.
Where has the blood gone?
There should be blood.
Period.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


British livestock mutilations in the Souh West

This is quite a length at 80mins however, it does go into some detail about how widespread it has become..

reply to post by JayinAR


Jay, the picture of that young calf's remains is exactly like the remains of the coyote-killed goat I posted in the picture of above. There is blood staining on the inisde of the hide. Once an animal is dead, no heart-beat, there is minimal bleeding from any new wound. The goat picture I supplied was taken within hours of the kill and consumption--and there is no blood, only red color to the bones and the inside of the hide.

Even in people who die in a hospital ER, and the police want blood to check for drugs, the only place we can get it is directly from the heart, and usually there's only 40-50 cc.s in the right ventricle.

reply to post by FireMoon


FireMoon, thanks for the link. I watched the first half-dozen cases. The fox appeared to have been shot in the head, and someone had taken the brush in the proper manner. The doe neck had been eaten by small carnivores--no ideas what killed her. The head of the stag was likely removed by dogs. These are things that people in the country see on a routine basis. My dogs bring in deer heads exactly like above every year--plus legs on occasion. I've had a dog that brought in the head of an angus calf from the neighbors farm (that dog was removed quickly). Gnawing on hide with sharp carnasials can give almost scissor like cuts. I see nothing in the picts that I haven;t seen before in nature.

Britain has plenty of dogs, and they can be as bad as wolves on deer and livestock.
I have killed dogs that were in the act of killing my sheep and goats.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak


People who die in the ER aren't completely and totally evicerated.
Wherein every single bit of muscle tissue is removed from the body. Every single bit of fat is gone.
EVERYTHING is GONE.
Including the blood.

I take it you are a doctor.
That is awesome, but here is a little known trade secret... Veterenarians are better. And in firemoons example, you brush aside vet testimony.