Normandie Cliff Collapses, Orbs Fly Out?

reply to post by gavron


Thanks for that I really would like to see something that's why I joined but when I see BS I will try my best to prove it is. No doubt the OP is now going to let this thread die as he has made post elsewhere and doesn't want to admit he was wrong!

Now I know you have logged on a few times since I first posted the image and you now
seem to want to avoid the thread that tells the other members a great deal!!!

wmd_2008 - what's wrong man?

I don't live on ATS.
I opened more threads, and have many photos to process, not just this thread.
Also want to help some other members.
At the same time, i don't have ability to upload from my home,
i have to go to another location to do it.

It is not forbidden to check other news and do other stuff
while having an open thread.
I will come back to this - don't worry.

...seem to want to avoid the thread that tells the other members a great deal!!!

This, my fellow member, doesn't tell anything about me,
but suddenly reveals a lot more about you.

Are you playing a detective? Can't wait for my "glorious defeat" so you can say A-HA?
Boy, you do have some problems don't you?

As far as your bird - i loved it.
Got very surprising enhancements out of it
which i will post when i find time (soon)
not when someone stalk me and provoke me into it.
I am working on other remaining images from this event simultaneosly.
Could not watch link you provided - i don't have flash installed.

More than high resolution bird, i am worried about your attitude.
It seems more destructive than constructive.
You are not into topic or event at all -
but you're dying to prove (whatever) something about me?

As i said before - more photos are coming.
Some - for you.
Perhaps they might change your view.

If not, one has to wonder - why you keep coming back?

I always SKIP thread that is not interesting to me.
You are STAYING in threads that you don't like?

Anyway, just please, don't mention your last bird picture anymore
because AGAIN - it's enhancements are coming.
Wait it out.
Don't stalk me around, please?

You do realize I can "enhance" a still from that video to make it look like whatever I want: The Enterprise, Stalin, cookies and milk. The reality is, though, it is just a video showing a bird flying from the cliff as it comes down.

reply to post by Krokodil


Just seemed strange that you had time to look at other threads make posts but this one was neglected anyway what you are doing is NOT enhancing here an even clearer view of the BIRD at 1:01




Oh and by the way I used a similar process to you on that image but didn't enlarge it to a horrendous blob like you did as the BIRD is only a few pixels in size it pointless to do it the way you did it but here is a bigger BIRD and it still looks like a BIRD!!!!

As promised,
here are some more images

Still not sharp enough.
Just a few slight changes, and already some things appear around the bird shape.
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If someone can't see those strange things appearing above and bellow
you should check your monitor settings.
I outlined the second picture to show what i see.
And i don't think it's normal.
I don't think it's some artefacts either.


Same things appear in all different enhancements.
First the original size

followed by enlargement
(I roughly outlined the last one to show which anomalies it's about)


What is that?
Rows of heads with familiar face?
Someone taking a ride?

As i flipped the picture sideways it's even more visible.
Here's one, enlarged and outlined:


second, the same thing


Then, i noticed, in one of the images, a disc shape underneath the 'birdy"??????


In fact the whole background of the last image looks outlandish.
What is that? Invasion of weirdness?
Here, roughly outlined.


And, to end this bunch on the bright side:


Honestly, don't know what to think of all this. If that's a bird, it is a strange one.
Apart from wing shape, I see no birdlike details..
But a do see a lot of details that shouldn't be there.
Grey heads and faces in all sizes? In all pictures?
I saw more big discs too.
Expect more pictures (PROCESSING PICTURES REQUIRES SOME WORK TIME)

Please keep it civil and mature.
I am telling you what i see. NOT telling you that you have to see it too.
If you don't like the topic, or even me,
there are thousands of threads and topics to choose from, much more interesting.
After all, this is my first thread.

There will be more pictures, until i present all anomalies that i see.
I'm still working on ArMaps two stills, and so far, i see no wings there ?

If anyone doesn't like the way i enhance images, no problem.
Don't look at them. Or do it yourself - much better than me, why not?
For me, the point is to find out what's there.
Not contest with other members.

The reason i exaggerate enhancements,
is because i am looking for things that are not visible, hidden or barely visible.

When looking at different UFO pictures,
i noticed there is always something hidden behind the light.
Cloacking technology? I don't know.
The only way to see that is to exaggerate light and color,
or sometimes block the highlights of the image.

Krokodil
Honestly, don't know what to think of all this. If that's a bird, it is a strange one.
Apart from wing shape, I see no birdlike details..
But a do see a lot of details that shouldn't be there.

I think those are the result of the compression of the video, as we can see all those squares typical of the MPEG compression.

In this video, the compression was trying to find a pattern on the moving dust cloud, so it was having a harder work than on the rest of the video, probably resulting in more artefacts than usual.

If this was based on images taken from a high quality, low compression video, that would be different, but as we can see all those compression artefacts I will keep this case on the "artefacts" box until different evidence proves my opinion wrong.

Originally posted by ArMaP
In this video, the compression was trying to find a pattern on the moving dust cloud, so it was having a harder work than on the rest of the video, probably resulting in more artifacts than usual.

You nailed it right there. Not to mention the camera trying to focus on dust clouds too....sure, they are going to take on many shapes. Ever look at a cloud in the sky and say "That looks like a duck riding a skateboard" or something? Same thing here...billowing dust clouds behind the bird flying away from the cliffs.

So, pretty much it's been proven it is a bird. The thread now is about how we can alter that image to look like other things.....which is completely off topic.

reply to post by Krokodil


You see PLENTY of BIRD like details when you watch the video big clue flapping WINGS and the colour and I will say this again the bird is only a few pixels in size that's why you cant see detail.

Here is the seagull picture (I took) posted a few posts back resized so the gull is only a few pixels in size.



NO DETAIL but the shape can be seen.

Here is the picture

Krokodil, I think you're on to something there. There indeed seems more to it once you apply some corrections!

Thanks for support animalfarm !
Wish i had far higher resolution of that footage!
It would be much easier to see what's real and what's strange...

To wmd_2008:
I took that big bird you posted, but that image has been manipulated.
The whole background seems to be deleted.
that is not the sky behind the bird, it's just been filled in with color.

And, before i post new pictures (should be tomorrow?),
one more link to another news footage of the same event.
In this video,
at 0.46 you can see 3 new flying "objects"
(call them as you wish, i'm not sure what they are)

Short segment shows first 2, then 1 object.
What's funny is that the first 2 objects disappear at EXACTLY the same time.
Like they are turned OFF.
So before you shout: "Birds flew in the cave!"
Think about it - that means they flew each in their own cave in the same millisecond precisely.
???

Originally posted by Krokodil
To wmd_2008:
I took that big bird you posted, but that image has been manipulated.
The whole background seems to be deleted.
that is not the sky behind the bird, it's just been filled in with color.

Really well hard luck it was an overcast day!!!

Not that I need to do this but it just confirms you really have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to images.

Gulls on a rock same day same boat trip.


Taken with a ZOOM lens both pictures, I suggest you find out about depth of field then maybe you will have an idea why the background looks like it does

Some info f9 @ 280mm zoom (420mm 35mm equiv) iso 400 1/1000th sec

reply to post by Krokodil


The reason they disappear is called an EDIT look it up, plus you can CLEARLY see it's birds with flapping wings

wmd_2008:

You could have said the same thing without being rude and obnoxious.
You are full of hatred, bitterness and anger.
Why?
Don't answer me.
Answer to yourself.

Regarding the bird:
I didn't mean to say you manipulated it, i meant someone, anyone...
Because the background doesn't show anything while processing it.
Not a speck. Just blank.
It should show something, weather it's high resolution or clean sky or overcast.

The reason they disappear is called an EDIT look it up, plus you can CLEARLY see it's birds with flapping wings

I can see some movement around the 3rd one.
First 2 look round too me, i see no movement around them.
Just movement in a direction.

EDIT? What do you mean?
(Yeah, yeah, it shows i have no idea, bla bla)
Can you just explain in a polite way what did you mean?

reply to post by Krokodil


The pictures of the gulls I posted were my OWN!!! I even said that when I first posted it.

Originally posted by wmd_2008

Here is a gull picture I took a few days ago while on a boat trip the bird followed the boat about 50-100ft behind for about 10 mins compare the colour and wing shape. Image cropped and shrunk to show on here.

I tried to show a picture with the wings in a similar position.

I mentioned depth of field because you will see NO detail in the sky

a) because its over cast
b) The focus distance and aperture used makes anything in the distance OUT of focus so no detail will be seen.

Here is another example with a telephoto lens (not mine)



It's OBVIOUS in the video there is an EDIT because of how the BIRD's disappear in one frame.

From previous posts it OBVIOUS you just don't understand what you are trying to claim about the images you posted, look up MPEG artifacts (Google it)

Here is an example of macroblocking and an attempt to reduce it.



Other members have posted info and explanations of what you think you see but you just ignore what they tell you because it's NOT what YOU want to see.

I have been using computers since the early 80's and using them to edit images since the early 90's, I have been a keen photographer 30+ years.

It's obvious it's BIRD's anyone can see that !

Short segment shows first 2, then 1 object.
What's funny is that the first 2 objects disappear at EXACTLY the same time.
Like they are turned OFF.
So before you shout: "Birds flew in the cave!"
Think about it - that means they flew each in their own cave in the same millisecond precisely.
???

Nobody that can analyse an image would shout (or say) "Birds flew in the cave!", as the birds are too far from the cliff and, if they entered a cave, it wouldn't look like that.

That looks more like a cut in the video, as other things change, as you can see in the animated GIF below.

First 2 look round too me, i see no movement around them.

Please don't be offended, but I have to say the same thing I said at the beginning, there's something wrong with the device(s) you use to watch the videos or with your vision, as the movement is very obvious.

I seriously suggest that you adjust the screen (if possible on the device(s) you use) and/or some vision tests, as it looks like you're missing things that everybody else sees.

Remember, the best tools for analysing an image are our eyes, take good care of them.

reply to post by ArMaP


Nice gif you can even see the movement on the top part of the cliff to confirm camera movement and an edit at that point of the video.

Since no one will be able to convince the OP that this is, clearly, undeniably, a bird I will address any potential poor soul reading this thread.

The 'enhancements' that are offered are complete bogus. They seem to imply that changing color saturation is the same thing as an infrared image. The excessive blurring you get upon enlarging pixelated compressed video is being ignored.

The 'enhancements' are in my opinion intentionally fraudulent in nature and I a vote to move this to skunk works as a deliberate hoax.

The flapping motion is clear for any child to see. The changing of colors does not reveal any data that was not there to begin with and the photos seem to imply the OP is suggesting they have data other than visible light available for them to 'analyze' the images with. It is very offensively misleading.

Saying "hey look I might have something here" is one thing but in my opinion the OP is either deliberately lieing or needs thier eyes checked.

Also a lesson in digital compression would go a long way in explaining why you would see the same repeated patterns in the digital zoomed images.

To the OP:

You're thread title ends with a question mark, but it is painfully apparent that you 'decided' what it was you thought you saw in the image long before you posted the thread and long before you 'enhanced' the images yourself to even confirm what it was you think you saw. This is at best irresponsible reporting as you failed to take into account information available to you before reporting it and more likely a deliberate attempt to mislead people.

ArMap

Your GIF does reveal a slight shift of scene.
If they cut the footage, they did it in an unexpected place,
Not very professional.

My vision is 20/20, i'm using Samsung SyncMaster 957MB monitor
and i watch Youtube vids on 480 resolution,
And on my screen, two magical disappearing objects look like this:


And enlarged:


On this still

I can also see object like this one:



When i turned the image upside down, i noticed this shape:


The shape of an African elephant.
I believe we all saw one, and it is everyday sight in Saint-Jouin-Bruneval too.
Here's another one, from other stll:



When i turn it upside down, i see that shape again.


"Birds" are just what atracted my attention to this footage.
I believe there is much more happening here.
Surprised you don't see it too...
Not more than brightness-contrast adjustment and you can already see.

I am not professional photographer and this is not my footage.
I am taking stills from Youtube video.
Don't have access to higher resolution.

Originally posted by Krokodil
ArMap

Your GIF does reveal a slight shift of scene.
If they cut the footage, they did it in an unexpected place,
Not very professional.

My vision is 20/20, i'm using Samsung SyncMaster 957MB monitor
and i watch Youtube vids on 480 resolution,

So you watch at 480p on a monitor that's at least 10 years old ( a 19" CRT monitor)

Here is an example of macro blocking it's an effect with low QUALITY video due to compression/signal bandwidth



See how you can see squares in the image!

Here is one of you images



NOW even you should see the reason why I posted your image. (the squares)

The youtube video looks to be filmed on a smart phone / or low res video camera YOU are basically enlarging the LOW RES compression nothing more.

Some of us here have been working with photographs for 30+ years and digital images and video before the first version of your monitor rolled of the production line.

You really don't understand what you are seeing