Online pornography to be blocked by default, PM to announce

Originally posted by Taissa
As a woman, I can say that pornography is very degrading for women. ...

As a man, I can say that western clothing is very degrading for women. ...

Of course I don't think this myself, but in many cultures this is the case, do you see how your statement could result in the oppression of many other people who disagree.

You also forget to mention degrading to men.

Honestly I dislike porn, but what I hate even more is censorship and oppression. Why do people not think about the consequences, the long term effect? We live in a culture of headlines and knee jerk reactions, this is why we are oppressed, why we go to war, why education is a failure, why our foods are poisonous. Speak for yourself, think for yourself, and not for others.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
what are you guys doing watching porn?
hmmm?

Does your mother know?

yucky

So when you have sex with your spouse or girlfriend or boyfriend, do you call your parents and neighbors to watch you? Do you advertise it to as many people as possible?

Why do people watch porn? I guess some people never marry, some people are not happy with their spouse, some people want a little more from their life, its entertainment, etc.

Originally posted by ForteanOrg

If you are led into perversion by porn you probably haven't had much of a sexual education.

Furthermore, I wish people would really put some thought into what they're really saying. The term "perversion" implies there is only one correct way to have sex. Such people seem to ignore the fact that sex just plain feels good and people tend to do what comes naturally and they call this perversion? It's perverse that people might like to do something that feels good and gives them joy? Just wow!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
what are you guys doing watching porn?
hmmm?

Does your mother know?

yucky

So when you have sex with your spouse or girlfriend or boyfriend, do you call your parents and neighbors to watch you? Do you advertise it to as many people as possible?

Why do people watch porn? I guess some people never marry, some people are not happy with their spouse, some people want a little more from their life, its entertainment, etc.

wow EC you took that to a whole new level.

I have to say it is very telling that there are 26 pages of post on the topic of porn.

hellloooooooooo?

Originally posted by azureskys
I have a son who was exposed to porn on paper as a 13 yr old youth.
He continued to seek out porn as he grew-up.
He now has a serious addiction to porn that is destroying his Marriage.
No internet was necessary for him to get hooked.

I don't know the full story obviously, but is it?

Persons sometimes seem to think male urges came into being in their current form in the recent thirty years. This isn't true. Some people think the Marquis De Sade had something to do with it, again not true ... Some of the more graphic acts have specific Greek and Roman terms, and the first pornographic statue is something like 30, 000 years old.

The issue I have is that it's easy to take the moral high ground and say oh we don't won't young men and boys being corrupted, oh it's the pornography that's doing it ... Am not an advocate for pornography and I believe it is likely damaging but it didn't invent these things.

Pornography (agree or not) is a depicition of urges that form in male minds. The fact that history is filled with philosophers discussing the virtues of balance in ones life inbetween descriptions of acts that many historians refuse to even print to avoid offending their tender audiences is testament to this!

Early Greeks and Romans had writings stating that when a man had such urges (beyond respectful urges) he should take it out on a lower class of woman and not on his wife to avoid disrespecting her. This isn't nice to think about it. In fact it is disturbing. It's pretty similar to pornography though no?

I don't know the history behind your son. Obviously, if he is sitting in a destroyed room with his walls plastered in X-rated material humming kharma chamaeleon then the person probably has an issue ... but I'd suggest at least entertaining what am saying.

I have seen some situations where my friends idea of 'pornography addiction' actually comes across a lot more as two sexually incompatible persons being dishonest with one another. Removing pornography won't change that. You can try to convince a leopard that it's a zebra but eventually the beast will get hungry and no amount of stripey paint is going to help.

Sometimes people spend a lot of time wishing men weren't men. I've gotten used to it. Their urges are their urges and their art is their art.

Sorry to single you out, but I just feel all this talk of blocking search terms, and opt-in and opt-out blocks and all the rest of it is side stepping the major issue ... At high school I wasn't taught about virtues or excess. I was taught that smoking was bad, drugs were bad, and an assistant head teacher makes this off handed comment once that if a person touches themself too much they might get addicted to that act. That teacher was repremanded for going into too much detail.

To put it bluntly ...

At no single point during my childhood was I prepared for what awaited me in the world today.

It lead down a path of despising people, of confusion, having zero understanding of people's motivations, and frankly under some naive notion that persons sex lives were being assailed by popstars, max factor, and smut.

Make up isn't new. Ideal physical forms aren't new. Smut isn't new. Parenting needs to be new cos at the moment I see a lot of sand and not many heads when it comes to preparing children for reality.

Not saying pornography isn't having an effect ... but good parenting and understanding goes a billion times further.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders

Originally posted by ForteanOrg

If you are led into perversion by porn you probably haven't had much of a sexual education.

Furthermore, I wish people would really put some thought into what they're really saying. The term "perversion" implies there is only one correct way to have sex. Such people seem to ignore the fact that sex just plain feels good and people tend to do what comes naturally and they call this perversion? It's perverse that people might like to do something that feels good and gives them joy? Just wow!

These are the same people wbo bash on homosexuality. People who got married at 20 and only had one girlfriend their entire life. People who have never visited a gay bar, never gone to a nude beach, never watched a porn flick, are ultra religious, have been oppressed by their parents, perhaps been raped and never seeked assistance.

Simply I call them intolerant. But hell whatever. Difference is good!

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
what are you guys doing watching porn?
hmmm?

Does your mother know?

yucky

So when you have sex with your spouse or girlfriend or boyfriend, do you call your parents and neighbors to watch you? Do you advertise it to as many people as possible?

Why do people watch porn? I guess some people never marry, some people are not happy with their spouse, some people want a little more from their life, its entertainment, etc.

wow EC you took that to a whole new level.

I have to say it is very telling that there are 26 pages of post on the topic of porn.

hellloooooooooo?

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meaning what exactly??? I seem confused.

Originally posted by alfa1

Mission creep.

How the government defines "porn" today is one thing, but when the filter is implimented, then you can be guaranteed that all sorts of interest groups are going to start lobbying for just that little extra thing to be added to the filter.
And then just a little bit more...
And then just a little bit more...
and so on, forever...

Saudi Arabian censors forced Ikea to airbrush women out of the fashion catalogs

www.guardian.co.uk...

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I think there are more important things to worry about, not that I have any control over the outcome of anything,or that my opinion will change any minds on any subject, or that I want to change any minds.

Just getting people to meet you half way and understand your point of view without being vilified would be nice.

I understand however that you see this as a step towards internet censorship that might evolve over other areas of the internet kingdom.

That tangled web.

Does anyone here remember life before it existed?

This regulation is useless. Anyone can acess porn sites without the knowledge of their ISP, if they only used proxy server. Once the law is in place more and more people will know for that little trick...
Unless they ban proxy servers aswell!

Originally posted by stormcell

Saudi Arabian censors forced Ikea to airbrush women out of the fashion catalogs

That's one way to "think of women as sacred". Pretend they don't exist.

Pretty obvious what they're trying to do. When this is implemented, it won't just be a simple case of ringing up to get the block removed, I guarantee they will want you to pay for it. They don't want us having free porn...

It's ridiculous though, what age range are they trying to protect? My ten year old daughter turns our filter off all the time, it's its not for anything risqué, it's just some sites require it. And my five year old son hasn't got a clue what porn is anyway,

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I think there are more important things to worry about, not that I have any control over the outcome of anything,or that my opinion will change any minds on any subject, or that I want to change any minds.

Just getting people to meet you half way and understand your point of view without being vilified would be nice.

I understand however that you see this as a step towards internet censorship that might evolve over other areas of the internet kingdom.

That tangled web.

Does anyone here remember life before it existed?

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So who is villifying whom? The people who want as much freedom as possible or those that hate pornography so much that they want the government to intervene on their behalf? Like I said three times before parents can use a variety of blockers and windows *parental controls* is absolutely free and easy to use. Are some parents a little to lazy to read manuals, are they over-protective of their offspring? I don't know which is true.

I dont hate anyone except those that hate me.

Manwin should just buy the UK to block this stupid censorship. The porn industry is a billion dollar industry so obviously people are buying it and enjoy it. It's up to parents to protect their children. Why doesn't the PM give out free parental controls for dummies books.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
Furthermore, I wish people would really put some thought into what they're really saying. The term "perversion" implies there is only one correct way to have sex. Such people seem to ignore the fact that sex just plain feels good and people tend to do what comes naturally and they call this perversion? It's perverse that people might like to do something that feels good and gives them joy? Just wow!

You have to remember that a lot of people went ballistic over a Sears catalog that showed a woman's nipple through lingerie. These same groups are going to be cheering loudest for this law. Doing what feels good is somehow wrong. It's ok to go to a beach, and see women in barely there swimsuits, or look at women walking down the street in shorts so short their ass hangs out, but if you like sex, or watch porn, somehow that makes you evil, and you're a horrible person.

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You are supposed to love those that hate you, for what does it profit a man that loves only those that love him?

Originally posted by BrianFlanders

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
what are you guys doing watching porn?
hmmm?

Does your mother know?

yucky

1. Actually, I "watch" relatively little of it. I look at a lot of pictures of naked women but I rarely watch porn flicks for the simple reason that I can't be bothered to go through hours of boring footage to find something that's actually arousing. Anyway, when I do watch it, I do so because I feel like it and I'm not going to wait for the rest of my life for something magical to happen and me to suddenly become more attractive and sexually desirable to women.

2. Yes. Actually. My mother is an intelligent person who has figured it out in that head of hers that an ugly 40 year old without a wife or a girlfriend must be blowing off steam somehow. She knows that I like sex. I used to rent porn on her account at the video store all the time (back in the day when VHS was still around).

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You sir,

Are a inspiration for truth and openness.

Your last two posts are

"women" "men" "we" We are all guilty of generalizing but the realization of such should open our eyes to it yet so many keep them closed because of personal views and how they are against certain topics.

Brilliant posts.

Originally posted by beezzer
Shouldn't this be a decision best made in the home instead of a de facto decision made by government?

So now every citizen has to request porn from their Internet provider. And that request will go on record. Good bye anonymity.

Future News article:

"List of homes requesting porn accidentally released to the public."

Future job application question:

"Do you watch pornography? (All answers will be verified with your IPS provider)"

Originally posted by truthermantwo
i think this would be a great thing, perversion leads to perversion and degradation and mental illness. We were not designed to just blatently look for sex all the time

This is not true. We actually ARE designed to do just that or we wouldn't be doing it. We were not "designed" (however you choose to believe we were designed) to fly through the air at 400MPH in a hollow tube with wings on it. That reality doesn't seem to be stopping anyone from doing just that.

I would be almost willing to bet (If I had any money left after buying my porn) that it is far more likely that we were designed to "just blatantly look for sex all the time" than it is that we were designed to fly or sit in an office wearing an uncomfortable suit staring at mind numbing text and statistics all day long.

You see. In this warped mind of mine, I believe it's pretty likely that the only real purpose a human life has is to reproduce. Like any other living thing that reproduces, there is a reason your sex parts compel you to seek out sexual satisfaction. Because that tends to compel you to reproduce.

So. By choosing not to reproduce the instant you become capable of doing so, you are already telling your designer you have your own ideas about what you were designed to do. I don't think you want to see a world where everyone who is capable of doing so reproduces as much and as often as they possibly can. This is what our nature compels us to do. This is why we are always horny. Our sex drive doesn't know any better. It doesn't know there are already 7 billion of us. It doesn't care either.

and pornography is a false way of living

Next time your electricity goes out for a week and your car and your house and all your clothes and money disappears you can get back to me and let me know how it feels to live "honestly".

, the word masturbation can be apllied to any action or thought process that gets repeated causing thought process problems and memory malfunctions

Computers malfunction. People are not computers. There is not (generally speaking) a parameter for thought that makes one thought correct and the other a malfunction. It is a good thing that everyone isn't like you because if I was given to this way of thinking, I would say that your opinions are a malfunction. But I believe people do have a right to their opinions, their ideas and generally, to think the way they want. The idea that people don't have this right scares me more than any kind of "addiction" horror story you can conjure up. We've seen where it leads when people decide to treat humans like machines and force them all into the same mold.

because you put images of degrading natures in front of a potential memory paradise of the pure and clean thoughts were supposed to have.

Now that's just downright hilarious!

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

You are supposed to love those that hate you, for what does it profit a man that loves only those that love him?

Thats plain dumb. Survival instinct tells you the opposite. What do you expect from people who believe in a warped sense of good vs evil? People whom congregate to the church and believe nearly every word of it regardless if something makes sense or not.

I grew up in suburbian new jersey close to philadelphia and new york city. Trust me my lifestyle was quite conservative compared to other people. I have explored a little of everything sometimes because of peer pressure and sometimes because I wanted to. I have had several girlfriends, tried special and normal cigarattes, visited the brothels, have gone to the bars and had a really good time, gotten into fights, I am tolerant of homosexuality and even almost raped once by a closet homo.

How many people living in the west or central USA can speak the same? I consider myself lucky to have explored life when I was young as now its work, home, work, home. Seriously!