How bad is the Economy in the U.S.? Look to the struggling youth.

The youth have been and most likely always will struggle ,geez i used to have to walk to school or hitchhike to a friends place to have a few and hope they were home. just had no one to complain too.
The difference today is that now everyone hears about their day to day struggle via Fb or Twatter
They will get over it

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I love it when the older generation, take shots at the younger generation for going to college and getting an education. In my country. This wagging finger generation, enjoyed the benefits of free University education, a job for life, cheap housing and cheap energy and food prices. Now they all need caring for in one form or another in their cushy retirement.
Pretty much leaving one type career option for young people as a low paid care workers. Wiping the butts and cleaning up the mess of the older generation. In more ways than one.

Yeah this is ridiculous. I went to school, I got good grades, I went to college, I studied math, physics, computer science, psychology and music.

The older generation enjoyed college education paid for by their parents, jobs right out of college for life with job security, the ability to buy a house, have kids and raise a family - all without hardly any stress at all! Finger waving at what? My generation's ability to budget and live on less than $1000 a month?

My generations (somewhat lacking and stressful) living environments, where we take what we can get and do the best we can with couches, room-mates, tents, living at home, all the while our self-esteem being hit because we can't match our parents?

Well, the younger generation is predicted to make 50% of their parents' net worth. And I don't think that's all because of our "bad" work ethic. Look, sometimes, a lot of times, I wish life was simple like it used to be.

I spend a lot of time wondering what I did wrong, why I'm such a failure, but then I realize that it is nearly universal in my age group. I try not to believe it, but I move to a different town and state and the situation is the same, although with a bit better prospects, like... some jobs and cheaper prices and rent.

Am I imagining this? Am I imagining the financial disaster hitting my age group? I don't see any reason to believe I am - a while back, I decided that maybe I was hanging out with the wrong crowd, so I started hanging out with the most intelligent people I could find and they were in the same boat.

My friend who is a teacher is the best off out of anyone I know, and I'm lucky to be living with him. Even so, he got where he was, with a house and a truck, by going into debt to pay for his house and truck and maxing out his credit card at $10,000 - plus his college and masters in teaching debt.

Is he going to be okay? He worked hard, and he may lose his job unexpectedly - which is why he is taking out a bank loan tomorrow while he still has his job to cover his ass.

So in a way, I am doing better, because I have only $10,000 in school debt that is being paid off. But I have his back. Working together as a team is effective - but enter social decay. It is also rare.

I guess on Facebook there is the rare success - like those in the military, or my friend from high school who made it into the N.F.L.

reply to post by 12voltz


Haha! Oh Twitter... my goodness. Too complicated for me, but I did sign up for an account on there.

reply to post by purplemer


Lots of stars for you :-)

reply to post by darkbake


Now i know you probably mistyped when you wrote, it was a means
to lie, in that post, you probably meant live, but the irony in that statement
speaks for itself, also there are many ways this entire debacle could
be fixed, it just cannot be fixed with the same broken ideals that created
it to begin with.

And as for the religion thing, this entire time the majority of the country
has been christian, the majority, extreme majority at that, of political
leaders have been religious, mostly christian, we have plastered their
values on court houses and money, in schools and indoctrinated our
children, given tax exempt status to them so they could just keep
building more and bigger churches, had presidents that flat out wanted
to outlaw those who did not believe in that religion from even voting......
Yet somehow this system will fix it? i would wager a HUGE bet that
it was responsible for breaking it in the first place.

There are problems, but i honestly do not think we can fix it by going
backwards and not forwards.

reply to post by darkbake


As any conservative will tell you, or anyone who supports capitalism - "You should have worked harder"

I completely see the picture of truth you've painted here because as a currently unemployed 24 year old british, im well aware that even when i do gain employment, it wont be secure. If i want to move out i will either have to rent at extortionate prices or save up to put down a deposit - At extortionate prices!

Education? That'll be 9k a year please (Not including your living costs, that's a separate loan) Want to drive a car? Insurance alone going to cost me 2k. Take public transport? Just as expensive. Walk everywhere? Not through this part of the city when early nights roll in.

Only one thing called for:

reply to post by bloodreviara


Lol! What a typo. Yes, it is specific way of lie, and of life. I think we can go forward, but this would involve the Christians out there to take their religion seriously and follow the words of Christ and the New Testament instead of digging up old, irrelevant books of law from ancient times.

The last time I checked, Christians weren't Jewish, and even if they were, Jewish people are surprisingly more pleasant to be around and helpful in general - and they don't even have the new testament!

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


Well I'm glad you understand what I'm saying :-) Should have worked harder... what a load of bullocks. Are you going to sign up for one of those work-to-live programs or whatever that pay you less than minimum wage in order to give you "work experience?"

reply to post by mikegrouchy


I anticipate that Author of this thread
will react badly to what I'm going to say,
but you can either cling to the values
you were raised with and perish or
you can reexamine the one thing that
they told you and your generation not to do.


Ah, Yes. Because becoming catholic will magically get you a job, a house, and provide for your family?



Makes no sense whatsoever.

reply to post by SubTruth

I hate to tell you guys this but life is what you make out of it. And history has shown over and over again when the government helps out the poor people will turn to fascism. How the heck do you think a guy like Hitler got into power? It was the people begging for help and change that let him really give them some change.

Not quite.

Germany was very broke when Hitler came to power. The treaty of Versailles dictated that the German people must pay every nations cost of the war and that amount was 3 times the value of all property in Germany. The German market plummeted because of private currency speculators and caused runaway inflation on a massive scale. Countless homes and farms were lost to speculators and to private (Jewish controlled) banks. Germans lived in hovels. They were starving.

On top of this there was a global depression. Germany was a total debt slave to the international bankers until 1932. That is when the National Socialists came to power. Hitler began a national credit program by devising a plan of public works that included flood control, repair of public buildings and private residences, and construction of new roads, bridges, canals, and port facilities. All these were paid for with money that no longer came from the private international bankers.

The cost of these various programs was fixed at one billion units of the national currency. To pay for this, the German government issued bills of exchange, called Labor Treasury Certificates. In this way the National Socialists put millions of people to work.

Germany did not have a gold standard in this manner. For every single mark that was issued, there was a marks worth of goods delivered or work done. This is how Germany got itself out from under the thumb of the International bankers. It took less than two years for the unemployment problem to be solved. Germany was doing quite well for itself. with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work. Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest.

Not too many people are aware he did this. TPTB and the banks don't want most people to know about this either I would imagine.

What America needs for things to get any better (in any domestic department) is a leader willing to cut ties completely with the banking cartels and do as Hitler did.

Sadly, I don't see this happening anytime soon. The banks, corporations, and politicians are so intertwined together that they are almost the same thing.

Its the wealthy that have ruined this country.

Like someone else said, when people are starving there will be nothing left to eat but the rich.

Americans will constantly deny that socialism (I'm talking about true socialism here.) will work. Even when history has proved that it can. Is it any wonder why there has been such a blatant propaganda campaign in this country to totally demonize anything with the word "socialism" attached to it. The only people who benefit from this current system is the one percent of people and institutions who have the money and control the government.

Ironic isn't it?

Living in a world with a real currency would be a great start. Having a leader that would give the banks the finger and do what hitler did would be one of the only things I can see having any impact on the total economic mess this country has become.

Originally posted by Cancerwarrior

Ah, Yes. Because becoming catholic will magically get you a job, a house, and provide for your family?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Did I say that?
Here allow me to make your case for you and,
do a better job of it using facts and stuff.





No, Catholicism is useful for reconnecting the disenfranchised
to a community, strengthening the soul, and opportunity to
help those less fortunate that one's self.

Make no mistake, this is a protestant country. And Catholics
are treated by the powers that be about like they treat illegal
immigrants. "Don't want to admit they exist, and when they
do it's to accuse them of something, but will exploit them
financially every day of the week."

But the opportunities for a young person world wide are
boundless. The protestants, on the other hand have
offended almost every country in the world with their
war-on-terror. What do they have? England, maybe.


Mike

Originally posted by darkbake
reply to post by SearchLightsInc

 

Well I'm glad you understand what I'm saying :-) Should have worked harder... what a load of bullocks. Are you going to sign up for one of those work-to-live programs or whatever that pay you less than minimum wage in order to give you "work experience?"

edit on 22-7-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

I already do voluntary work at least once a week in an office, partly to get something on my CV and also because i wanted a new experience/something to do while unemployed. The "Work-Fare" programme in this country is disgusting. Paying people only their state benefits/welfare to stack the shelves for multi-national companies such as tesco's, only then to be told after a number of weeks that they had not earned themselves a minimum wage job.

Our generation has been shafted beyond belief - Im surprised any of us can sit down without wincing. But its not just here and its not just in america, This is a global issue. 7 billion people on the planet - Still dying of starvation, lack of medical care, unsanitary conditions, 3 generations of families living in some destitute 1 one room "shack"
People in india scraping by picking through the landfill of sh!t the west sends them - Children, children picking through our rubbish for god's sake. They're trying to afford education so that they can do better, who can blame them?

A revolution in one part of the world wont fix the plague of globalization.
The need for people to stand together, shoulder to shoulder, putting aside race, creed, language, gender has never been so apparent and the global cartel know this, which why they seek to make us hate one another.

Oh im on my revolutionist rants today! I mean every word though!

reply to post by mikegrouchy

Did I say that? Here allow me to make your case for you and, do a better job of it using facts and stuff.

Actually, yes, you did say that.

So your gonna throw up a graph showing where the catholics live and say thats why poverty is lower?!



I don't know if you realize this, but the places highlighted have some of the lowest populations of people in the US. Of course there is going to be less poverty there, less people equals less poverty/crime.

And it can also be argued (using your graph) that poverty is higher in the south because there is more blacks here.

Try again?

Trying to determine the number of atheists in any country is difficult: but in a country which has so many religious fundamentalists, it would be impossible to gather any accurate figures.

Make no mistake, this is a protestant country.

A new Gallop polls showed that upward of about 15% of the American population are atheists. And that is just in the last 10 years. The country is quickly headeing to atheism being the dominant "religion" out there.

But the opportunities for a young person world wide are boundless. The protestants, on the other hand have offended almost every country in the world with their war-on-terror. What do they have? England, maybe.

Yeah, it was all protestants and no catholics whatsoever that support the "war on terror".

Sorry, but your response of "just become catholic" is as asinine a statement as "just work harder"!

Originally posted by Cancerwarrior


And it can also be argued (using your graph) that poverty is higher in the south [color=gold] because there is more blacks here.

Say what!?
... oh no, he didn't.

You know Catholics were the first to march in support of desegregation.

Originally posted by Cancerwarrior

Trying to determine the number of atheists in any country is difficult: but in a country which has so many religious fundamentalists, it would be impossible to gather any accurate figures.

As the percentage of Americans
who claim "no religion" rises
so does our deficit. Coincidence?


Mike

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So now the atheists are the reason there is a 15 trillion national debt.........



You sir are a comedic genius.

I guess your solution for the N.D. is for everyone to become catholic?

You know Catholics were the first to march in support of desegregation.

What does that have to do with anything?

All I said was your graph could be interpreted a different way.

Try again?

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by darkbake

 

First off, I'm sorry to hear about the dire situation for your youth in the US.
The US rate indeed seems to be approaching the average youth unemployment rate as in (e.g.) Spain.

Next, I want to say (and I know this doesn't help your personal situation in any way right now...), the US. could have had it all.
You could have adopted the German apprenticehip model... just like you could have had our healthcare model (which is much better designed than Obamacare) or our unemployment program (IF you really wanted a social state system that actually works).

So next time you send your patsy Geithner over here, maybe tell him to save his breath instead of telling us how "the American Way" is so superior to ours... just saying.

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I like your post . It is just so true . Why dont the Americans ever get it right when they make a change .
Germany does alot of things right , like their solar scheme . You make the power companies purchase the solar from the generators of it .
Anyway ...this is hitting the youth the hardest . You cant even got the older people to retire because they need money too .
For me I wouldgo back to allowing retirement age earlier and pensions at 60 again and make space for the younger generation to have a job . That way they can pay taxes and support the pensions of the retired elders .
But then that whole system does not work when wages are so undermined by a cheaper labour force entering a country . Thats the upsetting apple in the cart .
A system must have good wages for all to flourish

Originally posted by Anusuia

Originally posted by ColCurious
reply to post by darkbake

 

First off, I'm sorry to hear about the dire situation for your youth in the US.
The US rate indeed seems to be approaching the average youth unemployment rate as in (e.g.) Spain.

Next, I want to say (and I know this doesn't help your personal situation in any way right now...), the US. could have had it all.
You could have adopted the German apprenticehip model... just like you could have had our healthcare model (which is much better designed than Obamacare) or our unemployment program (IF you really wanted a social state system that actually works).

So next time you send your patsy Geithner over here, maybe tell him to save his breath instead of telling us how "the American Way" is so superior to ours... just saying.

edit on 22-7-2013 by ColCurious because: (no reason given)

I like your post . It is just so true . Why dont the Americans ever get it right when they make a change .
Germany does alot of things right , like their solar scheme . You make the power companies purchase the solar from the generators of it .

Germans are a pragmatic people.... although that hasn't always served them. None the less it is true. Even in the states German hard work, ingenuity and frugality were legend when the country was younger. It doesn't or shouldn't surprise anyone that some of their systems work better than most. US social programs and much else are slop troff for pigs and one big money transfer scheme. Our education system is a massive slop troff that sells visions of grandeur and promises of rainbows, unicorns and marshmallow people eating marmalade pie.

Originally posted by subfab
reply to post by darkbake

 

it is during difficult economic times when people turn to illegal means to make a living. sometimes the only employer offering jobs that pay enough so a person can provide a roof over their head and food on their table is a drug dealer.

Your damn right on that one.
(reminds me of the TV series Breaking Bad)
-I have friends that have turned to this as a full time means of living.

Most of them have been doing it though since middle school years but have recently turned back to the drug trade.
-My closest friend just bought himself a new Range Rover with his cash.

I'm a firm believer that if you're good at what you do you will be able to always find work in that field. I'm 28 and have had zero problem finding/maintaining my job and I know just as many young adults in that age range like me who are the same. Could it be where you and your friends are living? Kids who go to college today can't go off studying random majors. Today you need to be strategic with the classes you take to give yourself a better chance of employment... Business and IT courses is the recipe for success... Sorry kids, but there's no guarantee when you follow your dreams. Sometimes it makes more sense to follow the industry's that are showing tremendous growth.

Originally posted by jhn7537
I'm a firm believer that if you're good at what you do you will be able to always find work in that field. I'm 28 and have had zero problem finding/maintaining my job and I know just as many young adults in that age range like me who are the same. Could it be where you and your friends are living? Kids who go to college today can't go off studying random majors. Today you need to be strategic with the classes you take to give yourself a better chance of employment... Business and IT courses is the recipe for success... Sorry kids, but there's no guarantee when you follow your dreams. Sometimes it makes more sense to follow the industry's that are showing tremendous growth.

That's my problem. Id like to follow my dreams (to live off my paintings) but honestly, the market is for # right now. I don't see it happening. So meanwhile I live my life at a career that I'm good at, but rather not be doing. I have had NO trouble finding a job at what I do for a living (draftsman). -I'm 25 years old by the way

When I moved to Tulsa, Oklahoma, It took me exactly one week to find a job.
As a matter of fact, all three of the places I put an app in called me for an interview. So I chose the most paying one with the most artistic freedom in it.

Young folks just need to find a technical skill during high school that they can fall back on while they pursue thier dreams. If not, prepare to work at Mcdonalds or chill in the unemployment line.