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Hynek did identify some UFOs. He was in the car that was chasing the UFO, and Hynek asked them to point out the UFO they were chasing. Being an astronomer, he identified the UFO as the star Arcturus. Apparently the star appeared to be moving due to the motion of the car.
Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
After all, look at J Allen Hynek. He studied UFOs for the Air Force and came up with no real conclusion. The answer isn't that complicated. All it would take is one of the thousands of average Joes that are witnesses to landings, or that have been abducted, to bring the scientific community that one piece of something. That would be the undeniable evidence that alien beings are behind UFOs.
Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
Say we had every notable scientist studying this phenomenon for the last 20 years. How much further along do you think we would be to an answer today? No tangible evidence has come up over these years that can be taken to a laboratory and scientifically studied. In fact, over the last 65 years and many tens of thousands of sightings, landings, abductions, etc., not one piece of tangible evidence has come about. I'm not talking about a phenomenon that only consists of reports of things flying around in the sky. It's reports of physical landings, crashes, interactions, and abductions. Yet, we have nothing physical.
Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
I think it will continue to be deliberately ignored.
I mean think about the psychologists. Even the arm chair one's who frequent this site. They label those who have abnormal/paranormal experiences as delusional and crazy. Actually, go to lengths to convince them they are crazy!
So if it becomes accepted - what do you think will happen to those psychologists who labeled all those people a crazy/delusional person? Will they be hauled into court and stripped of everything as they should? Or just pardoned - ooopsssieee we were wrong. Sorry, dude, I know we said you were a schizo and now melted your brain down with meds - but we didn't know! We really did think you were crazy!
Too much to lose, to much to answer for - for disclosure to come out now.
Cirque
Originally posted by Biigs
He also said that some times footage gets copied before its destroyed for the pilots personal stash, which made me ask "so theres better, possibly, game changing footage that exists that the public has not seen?", he replied "absolutely and ive seen some of them, i know for sure theres some very detailed footage in various country's archives which has been 'officially deleted'" - pretty interesting, no?
Originally posted by TrueBrit
What strikes me as very familiar, is the part of this article which refers to the possibility of an individual scientist getting hassled by his or her peers if they express a public interest in such topics as these. This is NOT, contrary to the opinion of the interveiwee, a phrase most often used by skeptics and debunkers, but by anyone who examines the evidence for why the subject has not recieved more professional attention.
What the interveiwee leaves out of his statements, is the REASON why it is difficult to study UFO from a position of scientific awareness, without getting grief from other similarly educated folks. The simple fact is, that the subject as a whole is confounded at every turn by hoaxers, crackpots, and nutters of every stripe.
"UFOs are real phenomena. They are artificial objects under intelligent control. They're definitely the craft of a supremely advanced technology," says physicist Eric Davis, a researcher of light-speed travel.
They are artificial objects under intelligent control.
They're definitely the craft of a supremely advanced technology
Originally posted by Outrageo
Having been in academia most of my adult life, allow me to offer two points:
1. Scientists are rarely independently wealthy. Thus, they must seek meaningful employment to sustain themselves. There are NO (extant) jobs for scientists to study this phenomena. No funding. No support. Besides the "stigma" attached to admitting interest in the field, other than a few astrobiologists (who would never admit to be looking for UFOs), and a couple of underfunded, frequently ridiculed SETI-types - there is no professional opportunity to make a living in the field.
2. There is nothing tangible to study. No board of administrators or regents will approve a proposal to examine UFOs or Aliens when there are no UFOs or Aliens to examine.
We can debate their existence, we can speculate on origins, we can probe the minds of claimed abductees to some extent, we can look at regional or even global "interpretations" of the enigma, we can even formulate post-contact scenarios, etc., but you won't get a dime in funding to do so.
Thus, we are left with several dozen very dedicated, very inquisitive independent thinkers that churn out books, or appear in television documentaries, or give lectures at conferences in order to eke out a living (e.g., Friedman, Knapp, Good, Kean, et al).
What we need is not just open-minded scientists -I think there are plenty of those to go around. We need a few wealthy individuals or institutions (a la Bezos, Gates, Branson, etc...) to step up and say:
"Here's a few million dollars. Let's gather some good minds and launch a scientific study/program into this phenomenon."
It's amazing to me, actually, that no such deep-pocket has done so. Guys like Bill Gates STILL are pulling in 50 BILLION annually. You mean there isn't enough curiosity and wherewithal among all the world's wealthy to cough up a tiny fraction of that to DISCOVER THE TRUTH??
Sad indeed...
Hey, you there! Get back to work!
Originally posted by Ectoplasm8
Say we had every notable scientist studying this phenomenon for the last 20 years. How much further along do you think we would be to an answer today? No tangible evidence has come up over these years that can be taken to a laboratory and scientifically studied. In fact, over the last 65 years and many tens of thousands of sightings, landings, abductions, etc., not one piece of tangible evidence has come about. I'm not talking about a phenomenon that only consists of reports of things flying around in the sky. It's reports of physical landings, crashes, interactions, and abductions. Yet, we have nothing physical.
There doesn't really need to be a scientific program. After all, look at J Allen Hynek. He studied UFOs for the Air Force and came up with no real conclusion. The answer isn't that complicated. All it would take is one of the thousands of average Joes that are witnesses to landings, or that have been abducted, to bring the scientific community that one piece of something. That would be the undeniable evidence that alien beings are behind UFOs.
Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
reply to post by 1questioner
Let's hope so because for too long this subject has been openly ignored by scientists