Where are the aliens supposed to live within Tycho crater on the Moon ?

reply to post by qmantoo


Again, just my personal opinion:

Any intelligent life forms that are able to cross interstellar space in a reasonable amount of time, means that they have harnessed power beyond anything we have achieved, have technology so advanced, that we would be child savages compared to them.

They would be about as afraid of us as you or I are of ants.

If they didn't want us in space, we wouldn't be in space. Every probe sent out would end with "loss of communication". There would not be any landings on Mars, or orbiting Jupiter, or Saturn, or leaving the solar system. There would be no LROC mapping the moon.
If they didn't want us in space, every Apollo mission would have ended up like Apollo 13, or worse.

And we'd never know they were there, because again, the power and technology that they would have to have would making keeping themselves secret child's play.

If they really don't care if we see them, but our governments don't want us to know......then we wouldn't know, at least as far as moon pictures or pictures from Mars. We truly wouldn't be allowed to see them, even if they were vague or blurry, because even those can suggest and plant seeds in our heads.

If aliens did want us to know they were there, but our government didn't want us to know, that too would be a joke. There would be NOTHING our governments could do. They would not be able to stop aliens from carving mile long letters into the surface of the moon for anyone with just a set of binoculars to see. forming up ships or satellites in geosynchronous orbit (over 20,000 miles out) so that they spell something out.
Massive radio or television transmissions........the list goes on and on.

The idea that we've captured and reversed engineered alien tech amuses me quite a bit too. Their tech would be so far ahead, I doubt our ability to reverse engineer it at all. It would be like taking my computer and handing it to Leonardo da Vinci.......as smart as he was, he would have no idea what it was for, how it worked, and would not even be able to turn it on, much less reverse engineer it. Aliens with FTL interstellar travel, would be more like me handing my computer to early romans or greeks actually.....if not even earlier people.

So is there something on the moon? Mars? I don't know. Even the people at ASU said that if there were any crashed aliens ships or probes on our moon, that it's not impossible, but that they are always behind on pouring over the images that they post. It was in that paper I mentioned. Here is another link of the possibilites of finding something on the moon:

Earth Sky: Looking for Alien Artifacts On The Moon

I think if there is something there, then we might find it. I just don't believe that NASA would try to hide it. Quite the opposite, as it would mean the public's imagination and interest in the moon would be so fired up, that they would get all the funding they wanted to put people back on the moon, and then some.

Originally posted by Arken

This kind of statements by NASA are deceptive. Really DECEPTIVE.

NO IT'S YOU THAT'S DECEPTIVE have you bothered to check anything about the LROC ie the camera a little bit of ext text for you.

Principal Investigator , Mark Robinson, School of Earth and Space Exploration, Arizona State University, Tempe AZ

You can see it here. lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov...

DOH!

Now do YOU see why the university is working on images.

You people can't see the truth because you ALWAYS want a conspiracy!!!

I think if there is something there, then we might find it. I just don't believe that NASA would try to hide it. Quite the opposite, as it would mean the public's imagination and interest in the moon would be so fired up, that they would get all the funding they wanted to put people back on the moon, and then some.

Erik, I have heard this one many times - that NASA would get masses of funding from Congress if they managed to find some aliens somewhere, but you know, it does not make sense. They dont even LOOK for aliens because there are loads of white things found by Curiosity, loads of strange regular metallic shaped things, there is the famous fossil they ground away with the RAT. All of these things suggest to me that NASA dont want to find either life on other planets or to rock the science boat.

So, since it is your belief NASA want to find life and get massive extra funding, maybe you can post your thoughts on how they have demonstrated they actually want to find life out there? If you look at the evidence, they haven't at all.

If you want something to make you laugh, then I actually believe there is evidence for really small aliens on Mars and possibly other places too, and one day when I can get motivated, I will post the images that suggest this. :-)

Originally posted by qmantoo

I think if there is something there, then we might find it. I just don't believe that NASA would try to hide it. Quite the opposite, as it would mean the public's imagination and interest in the moon would be so fired up, that they would get all the funding they wanted to put people back on the moon, and then some.

Erik, I have heard this one many times - that NASA would get masses of funding from Congress if they managed to find some aliens somewhere, but you know, it does not make sense. They dont even LOOK for aliens because there are loads of white things found by Curiosity, loads of strange regular metallic shaped things, there is the famous fossil they ground away with the RAT. All of these things suggest to me that NASA dont want to find either life on other planets or to rock the science boat.

So, since it is your belief NASA want to find life and get massive extra funding, maybe you can post your thoughts on how they have demonstrated they actually want to find life out there? If you look at the evidence, they haven't at all.

If you want something to make you laugh, then I actually believe there is evidence for really small aliens on Mars and possibly other places too, and one day when I can get motivated, I will post the images that suggest this. :-)

Ah, but we need to be a bit fair here:

All those things you listed, are things you and others on here THINK are something else (not rocks). Not one scientist with accredited degrees either from NASA.....ESA....any space agency.....or any university has come forward with those same images and said:

"Look! That is evidence of life!"

Instead, it has always been people on sites like this.......and even here it's not a 100% majority agree that those things are anything but rock and martian soil.

How many scientist are their in the world, in which the discovery of either existing life, or previous life on Mars (or anywhere other than Earth) would leap at the chance of studying it? Hundreds.......at least.

They can all see the images too, as do geologist.......and yet, we do not see any of them coming forward, and at the very least being critical of Curiosity's mission and slamming the operators at JPL for not investigating those things that you and others on here claim to be something other than rocks.

Are they all in NASA's pockets? Are they all agreeing to some massive cover up? All of them?

Are all fearing for their jobs and reputations? Even if all they say is: "This image here is showing something very odd that needs to be investigated further." ? Statements like that are not going to end someone's career.

People like me have to ask: Why? Why would they cover it up? Why would they ignore it?

Answers like: People are not ready. It would cause too much emotional trauma to people on Earth. Mass hysteria.

Hogwash. This is the 21st century. 50 years ago people thought we'd all be using flying cars, free energy, colonies in space, and possibly even have contact with intelligent alien species.

I would speculate that the majority of people would actually handle the idea of finding life out there quite well. Even if it was only the remains of life that had happened.

So while you and some others on here are asking: "Why isn't NASA investigating this further?", you have me and yet others on here asking: "Why should they if hundreds of actual scientist around the world are not also asking that question?"

Of course the standard answers here on ATS will be:

1) Bash NASA.
2) Claim massive cover up.
3) Bash NASA some more.
4) Claim it's all a hoax and no one has actually landed on Mars.
5) Bash NASA again....and people on here being skeptical of claims of these objects.

This is ATS after all.

Yes Erik, it is but fundementally it comes down to our beliefs - just like a religion, and there is more evidence for martians than there is for God. Look at how many millions believe in God without any proof - other than personal belief. Why should Martians be any different, except that there are images, scientific instruments, readings, etc This is what makes it different.

However, (and this is a BIG "however") the government has proved itself not trustworthy and probably if you asked all of the people in the first-world countries around the world, a majority would probably tell you they did not trust the government to have our interests at heart but would persue "what was best for us", whatever that is.

So, are you one of this supposed majority who believe the governments do not have our best interests at heart or aren't you?

Originally posted by qmantoo
Yes Erik, it is but fundementally it comes down to our beliefs - just like a religion, and there is more evidence for martians than there is for God. Look at how many millions believe in God without any proof - other than personal belief. Why should Martians be any different, except that there are images, scientific instruments, readings, etc This is what makes it different.

However, (and this is a BIG "however") the government has proved itself not trustworthy and probably if you asked all of the people in the first-world countries around the world, a majority would probably tell you they did not trust the government to have our interests at heart but would persue "what was best for us", whatever that is.

So, are you one of this supposed majority who believe the governments do not have our best interests at heart or aren't you?

I believe that the government has the government's best interest at heart, and that this holds true for all governments across the planet.

I also believe that there are individuals within the government that do have the people's best interests at heart, and that there are those in government that have there own best interests at heart.

The problem is that people, especially on here, equate "Space" with "NASA" which is part of the US government. And that is understandable considering how long that NASA and other space agencies around the world were the only ones having anything to do with space.

But that's been changing slowly over time. Like the LROC. That is the Arizona State University that takes the images and shows them to the public. Not NASA. NASA helped them get the probe there, but they don't control where it takes pictures, and what is done with them. That's the ASU....and other people.
If you go to the LROC site run by the ASU, you can even put in a request to have certain areas of the moon imaged by the LROC.
But people on here instead want to claim that those images are controlled by NASA.

The MSL on Mars is controlled by NASA/JPL, yes. So it's quite easy for people on here to scream "cover up!" because of that. But again, why is it only people on sites like this? If it again, is so obvious to people on here and other sites that certain images that Curiosity sends back contains fossils in it, I find it very, very hard to believe that actual scientists around the world are not also pointing that out and asking for it to be investigated.

I guess one could say that the fact that they are scientist is the problem. That they have closed minds and have been brain washed by their formal education in earning their degrees. But I have to question that thought.

You see, in order to be a scientist, you have to have an open mind. It's the only way to use the Scientific Method. Because the very first step in using it, is to basically: "Have a question."

You have to question things, wonder about things, and ask "what if?" types of questions. A closed minded person with no imagination is not going to be able to do that very well.

"Is there a way to communicate instantly?" - Telegraph, Telephone
"Is there a way to communicate without wires?" - Radio
"Is there a way to transmit pictures and sound?" - Television
"Is their something smaller than a cell?" - Nuclear structure
"What happens when we force atoms apart?" - Nuclear Reaction
"Can we calculate quickly using machines?" - Computers
"What happens when we displace one body with another?" - Physics
"What keeps things on the Earth and makes them fall?" - Gravity
"What are rocks made of?", "How are rocks made?", "What shapes rocks?", "What makes the sky blue?", "Where do clouds come from?", "What are they made of?", "Where does lightning come from?"........

Some of those last questions get asked by children all the time. And we can give them answers, but only because those questions were asked before, and many by those that were scientists, who were just as curious and imaginative as anyone here on ATS.

So no, I don't trust the government (sad really, since I used to work for it a long time ago). But I do trust scientist wanting to know the answers to things.

Look at yourself. You asked a question with this thread, and we've had many people on here also ask questions, or are curious about things, and that's great!

The problem comes is when a rational answer is given or pointed out......and the reactions are: I don't believe you, it MUST be such and such thing and not a rock.....because we're being lied to!

To me, that's being closed minded.

When someone shows me a picture from Mars and says "that is a lizard!", I don't deny it because NASA told me to. I deny it because there are no tracks from it. Mars atmosphere and temps would make it hard for a lizard to survive, and it would move to be captured in other pics.

I'm just using rational thinking. I will admit the shape looks like that however.

Lizards make tracks, it is true, you would expect to see tracks. I have expected to see tracks in the MER and Curiosity pictures, but I have not noticed them. Now, that can either mean that there is nothing there or the aliens may have some body shape which does NOT MAKE tracks on normal ground. Thinking outside the box, it is possible that some aliens do not have bodies or fly from one spot to another perhaps.

What type of body that we are familliar with does not make tracks, you ask?

Well, it could be a snake-like being for example, and I have seen some evidence for stick-like/snake-shaped beings on Mars. S-shaped movements might make more of a 'footprint' on the ground than catepillar movements by a snake-like being. ie horizontal as opposed to vertical movements in a snake-like body type.

I have also seen cat/rabbit like body types which I agree you would expect to leave tracks.
We also have to realise that the quality of the images is not conducive to seeing tracks and paths although there are 'tracks' or trodden paths between rocks, we often tend to ignore this kind of 'track'.

The other thing to consider is that these aliens are really small. Their footprints would be even smaller, which may be why we have not seen tracks.

...and it would move to be captured in other pics

I have been told by someone that the rovers are programmed to take pictures of movement and I can believe that. If you are looking for life, then movement on a planet such as this means life and you want to capture it on film. I have seen evidence of movement too - but it is obscured by the heavy compression algorithms they use and make the movement difficult to determine.

Really, when it all boils down to it, there is absolutely no excuse to modify images from Mars (example this link here where the parts at the left and right edge of the solar panel have different 'Y' shadow directions) and that is the main problem I can see with ALL space pictures from the different space agencies. Yes, my example is from NASA but they have their fingers in most space pies. If we got to see the unedited, then things would be so different. Up until then it is all just beliefs - yours and mine. Since we cannot go to space ourselves, and since we have some government 'modifications' to the data, we cannot trust the source in any shape or form.

Originally posted by qmantoo
Really, when it all boils down to it, there is absolutely no excuse to modify images from Mars (example this link here where the parts at the left and right edge of the solar panel have different 'Y' shadow directions) and that is the main problem I can see with ALL space pictures from the different space agencies. Yes, my example is from NASA but they have their fingers in most space pies. If we got to see the unedited, then things would be so different. Up until then it is all just beliefs - yours and mine. Since we cannot go to space ourselves, and since we have some government 'modifications' to the data, we cannot trust the source in any shape or form.

Really where is the sunlight coming from in that image work it out, then you will see why your quote above is kind of stupid

example this link here


I will give you a clue from the top of the picture now can you work out why the shadows look like they do!!!!!

So how many other images have YOU jumped to the WRONG conclusion about.