YES! Christ is the ONLY way. I can prove it to you with one word.

Originally posted by arpgme
DNA has nothing to do with Jesus. The DNA looks like two twisting serpents. It doesn't look like Jesus Christ.

Also, I find it strange that God depends on a language in order for people to understand him.

DNA is information, is it not? It encodes biolgical information.

How does something inform?

reply to post by EnochWasRight


I think the problem is your audience may not be as educated in regards to the Bible or maybe how it relates to what you are saying.

We are taught one thing and you teach another.

Just like reincarnation...

The Christian religion does not hold this teaching.

reply to post by EnochWasRight


OP, I suspect you won't hear what I'm trying to say here, but what is the point of this thread? I see a lot of (albeit well thought out) words about God, but they're all just words, all coming from the same book for that matter.

If God exists, he/she/it is by definition infinite, and infinity by definition cannot be contained.

Using words, even a beautiful collection of words, in an effort to 'understand' (or in your words, 'prove') God is an effort in futility. God cannot be proved, explained, or understood - only experienced.

Religious writings (of all types) are like a finger pointing at the moon. Focus on the finger, and you'll miss the moon.

reply to post by MamaJ


Yes, DNA is information and it encodes data. Still don't see a connection specifically with "Jesus". Seems like he took the letters "D" , "N", and "A" in their Hebrew meanings to try to make it connect.

Seems like DNA looks like two twisting SERPENTS though.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by EnochWasRight


I agree. I would love for you to take the OP apart piece by piece and give me your view. You have visited many of my threads and I think this one is the brightest light God has used yet through my perspective. Read my replies as well. My confidence comes from a job well done and not the pride of incredulity. This truth has witnesses and I believe that the word 'proof' is in order as an evident axiom to challenge. Can you challenge the details with some context?

Sorry, EWR. You went so far down a rabbit hole that I couldn't possibly comprehend, much less follow and debate. But I'll say one thing for you, when you believe in something you go all out in defending that belief. If you put this much energy and conviction into some worldly endeavor you'd be unstoppable.

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Jesus was connected by the WORD (data-info).

Enoch probably does not agree with me here but I will tell you that I have always thought Hermes/Thoth is the same soul as Jesus. Hermes/Thoth-- holds/created the staff/word (DNA).

reply to post by ddaniel

Using words, even a beautiful collection of words, in an effort to 'understand' (or in your words, 'prove') God is an effort in futility. God cannot be proved, explained, or understood - only experienced.

Beautifully said!!!

Words are an expression though and can be experienced.

Originally posted by arpgme
DNA has nothing to do with Jesus. The DNA looks like two twisting serpents. It doesn't look like Jesus Christ.

Also, I find it strange that God depends on a language in order for people to understand him.

There was formally a 23rd letter in the proto Canaanite. It is the double helix shape and was later absorbed into the letter Ayin. Here is the page and description of this letter looking like a twisted rope: Letter GHAH

Ayin is the pictograph looking like the all seeing eye. "The Ancient picture for this letter is a picture of an eye . This letter represents the ideas of seeing and watching as well as knowledge as the eye is the window of knowledge."

Aside from this, why is Christ compared to DNA. We have three references. One is the Tree of Life. Secondly, we have the Lamb's book of life. Third, we have the blood of Christ. The key to our salvation is the blood. The other key is what is hidden in these verses:

Ecclesiastes 4

9 Two are better than one,
because they have a good return for their labor:
10 If either of them falls down,
one can help the other up.
But pity anyone who falls
and has no one to help them up.
11 Also, if two lie down together, they will keep warm.
But how can one keep warm alone?
12 Though one may be overpowered,
two can defend themselves.
A cord of three strands is not quickly broken.

---Do some research on triple strand DNA. Obviously, Word is the association we have with Christ, but the letters and language of creation is God's to claim (Aleph Bet). The Son could not render creation apart from the language (Tav of two crossed sticks / Aleph Nun). The Mother would be formless void without the words. A story is being told and the author is the Son. Logos is a storyteller. Our story ends with the truth of Faith, Hope and Love. Faith is what we use to make choice with collapsing wave function. Hope is what we intend from our creation. Love is the reason it exists. Without love, there is chaos and division. With love, there can be unity with multiplicity. Chaos is multiplicity with no unity.

What I am doing here is merely showing the correspondence between the figures in creation and the function they claim. Is God personal? Can we have a relationship with Him? Right now, it is an image only. Soon, it will be face to face.

1 Corinthians 13

11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

We are known (Ayin). We will know. God already knows.

You must consider the entire context. What I show of Truth only confirms the rest. The rest is the next 10,000 pages we need to write to show the complexity in the Bible. I show a glimmer from the edge. That glimmer is the spark that can start a fire if you deny ignorance. I can only hit the flint together here and plant the seeds. The soil it hits is the same as the light revealing what it hits.

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

All this proves is that an ancient culture can cleverly play with words. Much like many cultures do today and have done in the past. Infusing words or phrases with artificial depth in an attempt to give those words greater relevance and controlled understanding. Oh, and Alephbet is not the alphabet. Invented by an older culture and adopted by the Hebrew language.

In the modern day this would be called an elaborate advertisement.

The truth is that no human or human written book can know the "truth". Once again an individual has allowed belief -- and faith in that belief -- to delude themselves into thinking that their belief is the one and only truth. That their belief is right and the belief of everyone else is wrong. Arrogance? Sure. Good intentions? Sure. The "Truth"? No. Your truth is not mine.

Out of respect for your truth I am not going to try and convince you of mine.

Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by arpgme
DNA has nothing to do with Jesus. The DNA looks like two twisting serpents. It doesn't look like Jesus Christ.

Also, I find it strange that God depends on a language in order for people to understand him.

DNA is information, is it not? It encodes biolgical information.

How does something inform?

Information is what it implies. It is the collapsing of wave function inside. Comprehension is knowing what you know. With truth, it is already latent and written in us all. When the light hits what is there, the informed truth wakes to function. At least, this is my take on it. Plato stated this as well. Most of the early philosophers knew that truth was something we already possessed. It's obvious if you think about it. We are written as a unique story of words. We misread our own word, but God reads it accurately. What happens when he reads your word to you? I think that this life is a reflecting point for what comes next. The Bible makes it clear. We are babes in a womb. Children of God implies that we are growing to maturity.

Light implies many aspects if you define the use of this one word. You cannot see light. Light shows you what it hits. It's reflected and it needs a medium. That medium is matter. Consciousness works the same. Enlightenment is simply the truth informing within.

Originally posted by MamaJ

Words are an expression though and can be experienced.

There's a bit of irony that I'm using words to discuss the inadequacy of words, but you use what you have available, so...

They can be 'experienced' only as much as there is a common understanding on the experience being discussed.

For example, if I say 'sun' or 'moon', there is a pretty good chance you will understand what I'm trying to explain, because the sun and the moon are common to our experience. The more abstract the word/experience, the greater the likelihood of a misunderstanding on the message trying to be conveyed. It's kind of like trying to explain what chocolate tastes like to someone who has never eaten chocolate, or the scent of a rose to someone with no nose.

For abstractions, analogies are much better tools (probably why history's greatest teachers all spoke in parables). God is the ultimate abstraction - hence the number of different religions, all attempting to describe the same thing!

Trying to explain/understand God is like trying to touch the tip of your nose with the tip of your nose.

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

I think the problem is your audience may not be as educated in regards to the Bible or maybe how it relates to what you are saying.

We are taught one thing and you teach another.

Just like reincarnation...

The Christian religion does not hold this teaching.

Like you said earlier, I show what I see only. To me, theology is a box we build our version of God from. My idea has always been to open that box. There is a concept in quantum mechanics called quantum tunneling. No matter how you hide a particle in a confined space, it will always free itself. I think this applies directly to truth. Truth will not be held in a box. It must be free. The Bible says that if we seek diligently and knock on every door, the doors open. I am simply relating what I see.

Also in physics, there is an idea of invariable symmetry. Neutrons and Protons adhere to this symmetry because they are the strong forces. They possess invariable symmetry. Electrons do not abide by this symmetry. The weak forces is free, just as our own free will is allowed to reign for a time. Eventually, we will be brought back into God's invariable symmetry. Gaining the Holy Spirit is comparable to this. The strong force in physics will always heel the electron.

When we find truth, it must be the same no matter how its turned. To me, this is when we have found the highest axiom. It matters little to me what other theology boxes say. I need to fill my own.

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I understand what you are saying and I actually think you understand the OP and what he is conveying.

Not many people would or have taken the time to study as the OP has. Even if they have more than likely they "experienced" something entirely different. Maybe they do because it is their own personal path.

It takes a will for truth on a subject to study at lengths and that is what he has done.

I had an Epiphany one day regarding the Word/Jesus/Words/Information and shared it on ATS one day. Did anyone understand it? No....:lol; they were not experiencing what I was experiencing. What I experienced was through Words and the understanding of Words.

I probably made zero sense in the above paragraph. I tired.

The point is simple. We can't understand. This is the very reason we can see truth emerge. No other source of truth matches the complexity and invariable nature of the Bible. Try as you might, it rises against any theory of creation you manage to dream up. Unless that theory matches the invariable symmetry God states from the Word, you are left with contradiction and paradox. The root of any axiom is the truth it hangs on. I am simply showing that proof of God is not hard to come by. He has left a great mystery to unravel and I am on the trail of the final solution. It's an effort to clean my mirror to see what reflects back. The closer the mirror is to being cleaned, the closer truth reveals itself as a simple idea.

Many people will read this thread, but fail to reason the truth from it. Unless you read the Word yourself, you are illiterate to it. What can I do about that? I simply tell you to learn the language and the stories. They tell you your origin, future and how we came to be. When you look, it's not that complicated.

What does God ask? Acknowledge and love His Family. You are part of that family when you do. Love is the point. God rewards our affection for others and Love covers a multitude of sin. A bright future comes from God's plan for those who choose Love over division. The are obligations as a member of the family. Love produces the changed heart and the obligations are merely a byproduct of the change in direction from the past to the future. The Present is the Gift.

Originally posted by ddaniel
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

OP, I suspect you won't hear what I'm trying to say here, but what is the point of this thread? I see a lot of (albeit well thought out) words about God, but they're all just words, all coming from the same book for that matter.

If God exists, he/she/it is by definition infinite, and infinity by definition cannot be contained.

Using words, even a beautiful collection of words, in an effort to 'understand' (or in your words, 'prove') God is an effort in futility. God cannot be proved, explained, or understood - only experienced.

Religious writings (of all types) are like a finger pointing at the moon. Focus on the finger, and you'll miss the moon.

reply to post by EnochWasRight

Like you said earlier, I show what I see only. To me, theology is a box we build our version of God from. My idea has always been to open that box. There is a concept in quantum mechanics called quantum tunneling. No matter how you hide a particle in a confined space, it will always free itself. I think this applies directly to truth. Truth will not be held in a box. It must be free. The Bible says that if we seek diligently and knock on every door, the doors open. I am simply relating what I see. Also in physics, there is an idea of invariable symmetry. Neutrons and Protons adhere to this symmetry because they are the strong forces. They possess invariable symmetry. Electrons do not abide by this symmetry. The weak forces is free, just as our own free will is allowed to reign for a time. Eventually, we will be brought back into God's invariable symmetry. Gaining the Holy Spirit is comparable to this. The strong force in physics will always heel the electron. When we find truth, it must be the same no matter how its turned. To me, this is when we have found the highest axiom. It matters little to me what other theology boxes say. I need to fill my own.

This above is the very reason why I understand your pov and totally experience what you learn when you bring it to ATS. We both have a love for Science and the way nature works. We both have a will to understand the Bible and its authenticity.

I believe the tunneling is done by the Neutrino? I could be wrong.... but you are so right EWR... you cannot contain the truth. The truth is always set free!

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by EnochWasRight


I agree. I would love for you to take the OP apart piece by piece and give me your view. You have visited many of my threads and I think this one is the brightest light God has used yet through my perspective. Read my replies as well. My confidence comes from a job well done and not the pride of incredulity. This truth has witnesses and I believe that the word 'proof' is in order as an evident axiom to challenge. Can you challenge the details with some context?

Sorry, EWR. You went so far down a rabbit hole that I couldn't possibly comprehend, much less follow and debate. But I'll say one thing for you, when you believe in something you go all out in defending that belief. If you put this much energy and conviction into some worldly endeavor you'd be unstoppable.

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LOL Actually I meant physically saving the whales or feeding the hungry, instead of waiting for the love of god to fix things, but the wow factor is still there.

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Hey, I was going to say half of that, I've been studying ancient languages. Mime or meme is the violent nature of water, the chaotic. I haven't yet found the Hebrew name for when water is calm. I doubt if they only had water considered violent. Some other languages used Na combined with something else.

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by arpgme

 

Jesus was connected by the WORD (data-info).

Enoch probably does not agree with me here but I will tell you that I have always thought Hermes/Thoth is the same soul as Jesus. Hermes/Thoth-- holds/created the staff/word (DNA).

your intuition about the similarity is right - but its the Absolute Opposite.

the crucial difference here is that Evil is always Mimicking.
so
has God an 'emerald glow around His throne ', according to Henoch -
then thoth will have hís emerald [ heart chakra/startetrahedron emeraldgreen colour'

if God is the Word
then thoth will mimick his "Hu " as being the word [ dje-hu-ti]

etc etc

Please dont say 'they are the same ', that hurts every logic

Originally posted by MamaJ
reply to post by arpgme

 

Jesus was connected by the WORD (data-info).

Enoch probably does not agree with me here but I will tell you that I have always thought Hermes/Thoth is the same soul as Jesus. Hermes/Thoth-- holds/created the staff/word (DNA).

To me, his description is that of Enoch. Enoch was the scribe to God and lived 300 years walking with God. Hermes is said to have lived 300 years. Enoch is said to have brought science and understanding to mankind. Hermes the same. Enoch was the scribe to God that delivered the messages to the watchers. The Greeks assumed many characters from antiquity, as did the Egyptians. Thoth is another version of the Enoch persona. We also see Joseph and Moses as the same personifications. Most commentators will note that Hermes was likely more than one person. Trismegistus means thrice great. All of them held the staff. Enoch was a scribe. Joseph was the interrupter. Moses was schooled in the Hermetic knowledge. In the end, what started in Egypt before the flood was carried as the true thread of knowledge. The Pagan Mystery School version is what Enoch referred to as the worthless version.

3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth." 4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."'

Both Enoch and Adam had read the tablets in Heaven.

1 And he said unto me:
Observe, Enoch, these heavenly tablets, And read what is written thereon,
And mark every individual fact. 2 And I observed the heavenly tablets, and read everything which was written (thereon) and understood everything, and read the book of all the deeds of mankind, and of all the children of flesh 3 that shall be upon the earth to the remotest generations. And forthwith I blessed the great Lord the King of glory for ever, in that He has made all the works of the world, And I extolled the Lord because of His patience, And blessed Him because of the children of men. 4 And after that I said: Blessed is the man who dies in righteousness and goodness, Concerning whom there is no book of unrighteousness written, And against whom no day of judgement shall be found.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight

Originally posted by MamaJ

Originally posted by arpgme
DNA has nothing to do with Jesus. The DNA looks like two twisting serpents. It doesn't look like Jesus Christ.

Also, I find it strange that God depends on a language in order for people to understand him.

DNA is information, is it not? It encodes biolgical information.

How does something inform?

Information is what it implies. It is the collapsing of wave function inside. Comprehension is knowing what you know. With truth, it is already latent and written in us all. When the light hits what is there, the informed truth wakes to function. At least, this is my take on it. Plato stated this as well. Most of the early philosophers knew that truth was something we already possessed. It's obvious if you think about it. We are written as a unique story of words. We misread our own word, but God reads it accurately. What happens when he reads your word to you? I think that this life is a reflecting point for what comes next. The Bible makes it clear. We are babes in a womb. Children of God implies that we are growing to maturity.

Light implies many aspects if you define the use of this one word. You cannot see light. Light shows you what it hits. It's reflected and it needs a medium. That medium is matter. Consciousness works the same. Enlightenment is simply the truth informing within.

I experienced a tragic loss in 1999 and then began a deep rooted journey. The very first thing I did was turn away from the Bible and told God if he was there to guide me with other books at the library.

The books I picked up that day were all on light. I chose light because I remembered all the times I read light in the Bible and figured I may want to learn what it really is.

Light does indeed show me/tell me what I perceive of matter. Wish I could take the credit but I can't. Our brains and or consciousness does work the same... so very true. The early philosophers were wise and it begs into question... where are the wise men today?