Daring to be Different in the Black Community

reply to post by ButterCookie


Well there was 6 other women, mothers who also agree with you. If I was a betting man I would have put my money down on a manslaughter charge since it took great courage to find him Not Guilty and not just appease the black community.

reply to post by ButterCookie


Honestly, your reason for supporting Zimmerman determines whether you deserve said ostracism. If you believe that he was in the right, based purely on the facts of what we know about what occurred, the ostracism isn't deserved.

On the other hand, if your difficulties being in accepted in the black community played any role in your stance on the case, the ostracism is deserved. If any part of you was against Martin purely because being against him allowed you to be against the Black community, that has treated you so unfairly, the ostracism is deserved.

Originally posted by dulce5cinco
The racism on this site is so sad and so palpable, it's scary. For once, white people, put yourself in the shoes of black people. If...

Your people were stolen
Your women raped
Your houses burned
Your income lessened
Your men demonized
Your history erased and re-written
Your children murdered

FOR HUNDREDS of YEARS

wouldn't you be upset? Wouldn't you feel rage? Wouldn't you feel hopeless? This country is not "post-racial" whatever that is supposed to mean. There are so many cases of blatantly racist crimes being committed every day, not to mention the comments just on twitter alone would make you think it was still the 50's. White people, it's time for us to sit down, shut up, and relax our sense of entitlement. We are NOT entitled to a critique of black people or their culture or their mistakes until we have honestly addressed and fixed ours, and we are FARRRRR from that day.

Sadly, you promote much of the problem that I spoke of in my OP. This sense that racism is 'everywhere' is an illusion that, unfortunately, you bought into.

When you mention women being raped, villages being burned and such, those are things (I can assure) never happened to you. Not even your parents or grandparents.

Did it happen? Yes. But not only did it not happen to you, those who committed those horrid acts are not alive either...so who are you really mad at?

Ugly histories should not be used to perpetuate victim-hood. As you personally see, it does nothing but harbor life-long hatred.

Originally posted by thesaneone
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I guess what she is saying is a community can belittle you but how dare you belittle your own community.

Sounded to me more like to be black you have to speak Ebonics. That language somehow didn't make it in the 90's when they tried to make it an official curriculum.

On December 18, 1996, the Oakland, California school board passed a controversial resolution recognizing the legitimacy of "Ebonics"—what mainstream linguists more often term African-American Vernacular English—as a language. The resolution set off a maelstrom of media criticism and ignited a hotly discussed national debate.

For students whose primary dialect was "Ebonics", the Oakland resolution mandated some instruction in that dialect, both for "maintaining the legitimacy and richness of such language... and to facilitate their acquisition and mastery of English language skills." This also included the proposed increase of salaries of those proficient in both "Ebonics" and Standard English to the level of those teaching LEP (limited English proficiency) students and the use of public funding to help teachers learn AAVE themselves.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

According to Wikipedia, even Jesse Jackson thought it was awful.

reply to post by Xtrozero

If I was a betting man I would have put my money down on a manslaughter charge since it took great courage to find him Not Guilty and not just appease the black community.

I just heard on Talk Radio a comment that when they release the names of the jurors, they will have to fear for their life, as well as the judge and others. What a sad commentary on our society today.

reply to post by timidobserver


Bingo!!!

Originally posted by timidobserver
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Honestly, your reason for supporting Zimmerman determines whether you deserve said ostracism. If you believe that he was in the right, based purely on the facts of what we know about what occurred, the ostracism isn't deserved.

On the other hand, if your difficulties being in accepted in the black community played any role in your stance on the case, the ostracism is deserved. If any part of you was against Martin purely because being against him allowed you to be against the Black community, that has treated you so unfairly, the ostracism is deserved.

Wow.

Well, once you go back over the OP, you will quickly see that my reasoning for supporting the verdict were based on the facts.

Now how did you presume that I supported George Zimmerman purely out of the lack of acceptance from other blacks?

That is the illusion that the family and friends that I spoke of, and other racists as well contend....that if a black person thinks outside the 'black box' or does not read from the 'black script' that is only out of rebellion.

No.

Its out of being a rational thinking person.

reply to post by ButterCookie


Some of those atrocities are STILL BEING COMMITTED, disproportionately against people who LOOK LIKE YOU (?) !!!

Why are so bitter?

Originally posted by CSpitta
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Some of those atrocities are STILL BEING COMMITTED, disproportionately against people who LOOK LIKE YOU (?) !!!

Why are so bitter?

Not sure why you have called me bitter; I have posted in a calm, positive manner throughout the thread.

You on the other hand....

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Its out of being a rational thinking person.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Well, ATS, I'm gone!

This site was enjoyable for me but the blatant racists who've taken over and ALLOWED to spew their venom, is typical, expected, comedic, yet still sad.

I can't be apart of a forum that supports racism and / or prejudice while finding ways to explain its necessity.
I truly hope some of your seek a well-rounded knowledge of the plights of not just blacks in America but ALL oppressed people's of the world!

Originally posted by CSpitta
Well, ATS, I'm gone!

This site was enjoyable for me but the blatant racists who've taken over and ALLOWED to spew their venom, is typical, expected, comedic, yet still sad.

I can't be apart of a forum that supports racism and / or prejudice while finding ways to explain its necessity.
I truly hope some of your seek a well-rounded knowledge of the plights of not just blacks in America but ALL oppressed people's of the world!

We still luv ya

Pour a nice glass of wine and relax. Don't feel offended by people that don't share in your racial hatred others. This is a topic for discussion on why a people of a certain race might shone others who have dared stepped outside the herd.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Its out of being a rational thinking person.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Because it makes no sense to consider that Zimmerman should have gotten out of his car.

He was running a neighborhood watch all he needed to do was call 911 and stay out of any effort to address
Travon Martin. Had he done what he was supposed to as a member of a neighborhood watch, this child would not be dead.

This makes this act at the very least manslaughter.

That is obvious

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by timidobserver
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Honestly, your reason for supporting Zimmerman determines whether you deserve said ostracism. If you believe that he was in the right, based purely on the facts of what we know about what occurred, the ostracism isn't deserved.

On the other hand, if your difficulties being in accepted in the black community played any role in your stance on the case, the ostracism is deserved. If any part of you was against Martin purely because being against him allowed you to be against the Black community, that has treated you so unfairly, the ostracism is deserved.

Wow.

Well, once you go back over the OP, you will quickly see that my reasoning for supporting the verdict were based on the facts.

Now how did you presume that I supported George Zimmerman purely out of the lack of acceptance from other blacks?

That is the illusion that the family and friends that I spoke of, and other racists as well contend....that if a black person thinks outside the 'black box' or does not read from the 'black script' that is only out of rebellion.

No.

Its out of being a rational thinking person.

edit on 15-7-2013 by ButterCookie because: (no reason given)

I read the entire post, and what I saw is what prompted me to make the post I made. I actually don't see any reference to any valid reasoning. You said you support Zimmerman, and then proceeded to type about your problems with the black community. This caused me to wonder if these problems you have were in anyway related to your support.

Originally posted by CSpitta
Well, ATS, I'm gone!

This site was enjoyable for me but the blatant racists who've taken over and ALLOWED to spew their venom, is typical, expected, comedic, yet still sad.

I can't be apart of a forum that supports racism and / or prejudice while finding ways to explain its necessity.
I truly hope some of your seek a well-rounded knowledge of the plights of not just blacks in America but ALL oppressed people's of the world!

Don't leave then the ignorant win by default. Just take some time to calm down a little bit then dissect the hateful with logic. It gets hard with the obvious favoritism and leanings of this site but that's just how it is. Sort of a sample group taken of society, like if you look at the top comments on yahoo for anything race related, it's even much worse than here. We need different voices cause some people may genuinely have not heard of some things before. Deep breaths, collect yourself, come back and break down the walls of hate with the hammer of truth.

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by ButterCookie


Its out of being a rational thinking person.

Why is this so hard to understand?

You have posed a very deep question!

I have found that a lot of blacks (not all, not all, not all) find it hard to understand when another black person dares leave the herd because it is a bold act; while they look at is as risky and foolish, they are subconciously inspired by it.

Think about how it must have been for a black slave on a plantation to hear his comrade discuss his plans for escaping. He is bemused by the fact that the slave even had the intelligence and courage to come up with a plan, let alone the boldness to actually execute it.

So when that other slave finally did escape, it left the others feeling a bit angered by the fact that they wanted to leave too, but just didn't have the courage to do so.

This mentality is passed down.

Older black relatives tend to encourage you to get a 'nice job' rather than promote college graduation, as this is a subconcious 'escape'.

Originally posted by Kashai

Because it makes no sense to consider that Zimmerman should have gotten out of his car.

He was running a neighborhood watch all he needed to do was call 911 and stay out of any effort to address
Travon Martin. Had he done what he was supposed to as a member of a neighborhood watch, this child would not be dead.

This makes this act at the very least manslaughter.

That is obvious

Was it illegal that he got out of his car?
Was it illegal that he followed some guy in a hoodie, not knowing his color?
Was it illegal that Martin doubled back instead of just going straight to the house he was staying at?
Was it illegal that Martin started to beat Zimmerman?

Is a child bigger, stronger than a man? Able to sit on the chest of a man and punch at will?
Is a child old enough to be a ranger or a seal?
Is a child old enough to be on a college football team?

Your whole post sounds like the media bias has you good...

Manslaughter:

The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification

Stand your ground is lawful justification

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Kashai

Because it makes no sense to consider that Zimmerman should have gotten out of his car.

He was running a neighborhood watch all he needed to do was call 911 and stay out of any effort to address
Travon Martin. Had he done what he was supposed to as a member of a neighborhood watch, this child would not be dead.

This makes this act at the very least manslaughter.

That is obvious

Was it illegal that he got out of his car?
Was it illegal that he followed some guy in a hoodie, not knowing is color?
Was it illegal that Martin doubled back instead of just going straight to the house he was staying at?
Was it illegal that Martin started to beat Zimmerman?

Is a child bigger, stronger than a man? Able to sit on the chest of a man and punch at will?
Is a child old enough to be a ranger or a seal?
Is a child old enough to be on a college football team?

Those things aren't illegal separately, bu together, an argument could easily be made that they add up to culpable negligence.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Older black relatives tend to encourage you to get a 'nice job' rather than promote college graduation, as this is a subconcious 'escape'.

That nice job can't be too nice...well unless it is sports or entertainment. Too nice of a job and you are once again labeled.

Originally posted by timidobserver

Originally posted by Xtrozero

Originally posted by Kashai

Because it makes no sense to consider that Zimmerman should have gotten out of his car.

He was running a neighborhood watch all he needed to do was call 911 and stay out of any effort to address
Travon Martin. Had he done what he was supposed to as a member of a neighborhood watch, this child would not be dead.

This makes this act at the very least manslaughter.

That is obvious

Was it illegal that he got out of his car?
Was it illegal that he followed some guy in a hoodie, not knowing is color?
Was it illegal that Martin doubled back instead of just going straight to the house he was staying at?
Was it illegal that Martin started to beat Zimmerman?

Is a child bigger, stronger than a man? Able to sit on the chest of a man and punch at will?
Is a child old enough to be a ranger or a seal?
Is a child old enough to be on a college football team?

Those things aren't illegal separately, bu together, an argument could easily be made that they add up to culpable negligence.

The thing you don't see is that the whole illegal part starts with Martin beating the crap out of Zimmerman. The guy made an extreme poor life choice of many, but instead of just ruining his life he lost it this time.

WHAT MARTIN DID WAS ILLEGAL!!

ZIMMERMAN DEFENDED HIMSELF LEAGALLY UNDER FLA LAW.

Once again one could point out that if only Zimmerman stayed in his car none of this would have happened, and one could also say if Martin only went straight to the house and not double back to beat Zimmerman none of this would have happen, but both of these points are moot.