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originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: Direne
Actually, there is an example of humans teaching other species to communicate...
Koko
If a human was smart enough to teach a gorilla sign language, it seems to me all the more likely that advanced aliens could figure out a way to teach 'some form' of communication to a human.
the FL group seems to have vast a history of information .... but you hold it all very close to your self!
I think in the grand scheme of things Koko is close enough to us as to be mostly indistinguishable to higher order intelligence. In our very narrow band of known/presumed intelligence Koko seems different to us, but I question the scale we measure that on. The level of communication we achieved is pretty low.
Maybe the dilemma is that in order to communcate with a superintelligence one needs to get rid of one's biological nature.
Or maybe what happens is that, in reality, language is a curse, a virus that infected some life forms to prevent them grasping Reality and keep them confined in their cognitive bubble.
"The opposite would be true too. Were the superintellegence to aquire a biological nature, biologicals and the superintellegence may have the common ground through which to communicate."
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Brotherman
Koko does what it wanted to within its own mind
if it didnt like the situation it was in it surely could have went crazy ripped off a few limbs and got put down
surely koko saw the benefits of complying with the researchers because it was receiving food and sustenance from the humans and also apparently some nipple shows
if that gorilla didnt want to be there it could easily have revolted and killed a few humans but it never did.
So i think communication is possible between species so long as there is a mutual benefit to be gained
a symbiotic relationship.
for humans and animals a lot of the time its just the pleasure of being close to domesticated and wild animals in our gardens and in nature , for the animals its the food we can provide
Yes. Is that a problem for you?
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Direne
surely and advanced ETI would study or record all forms of life
just as humans have recorded all forms of life we find on earth
would an advanced ETI abandon all of the principles that it was derived from ?
such as investigation, exploration ,understanding, communication where relevant
what is the point in an advanced machine intelligence past the point of making things easier for biological life
its a tool right.
when does it cease to become a tool when it becomes intelligent or when it eventually has consciousness and awareness of its own existence.
I mean that we humans are curious by our nature we like to investigate and catalogue and discuss
so wouldnt our advanced machines also carry these same "desires" well programs
so wouldnt an alien intelligence that has created advanced machines also carry these same "desires" / programs
or are these things specific to humans
it appears that consiousness leads us to become scientifically minded by questioning the environment and world around us, looking for feedback and answers to our never ending barrage of the questioning mind.
So wouldnt also a machine intelligence do this?
it seems extremely egotistical haha its funny to think about a machine intelligence being egotistical
well from a human perspective that's how it seems
we are too smart for you so we will just ignore you like ants
well humans dont ignore ants we study them and see how they interact with their environment. Some people even keep ants as pets
i guess maybe thats it , humans want so badly to know if we are the only conscious beings in the universe
we want that human alien interaction , we consider ourselves pretty advanced compared to the rest of the life we know of
yet we are probably amoeba like in comparison to an advanced species that has existed for millions of years
so its our own ego that makes us think we deserve contact
we think we are the dogs bollocks
but in reality we are just the sweat on the dogs bollocks
but still humans never give up easily so we will keep trying
until it happens. Anyway there is infinitely more chance we will kill ourselves before we meet aliens
Yes, I agree with you, And this opens up a disturbing possibility: that humans are, precisely, robotic superintelligences from the past that adopted a biological form. And they did it for good reasons.