This is incredible!!!

I think if the basics of Radonics were covered and how stuff like that program works, I think more people would be open to the fact that it may be something other than a scam.

Can you provide this information?

People think twice before posting nonsense about something that you might not know anything of.

Remember this thread that I've started in this forum.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yes I can...

I have lots of info, but as a starter...

The xtrememind.com message board. I frequent that board (although ATS still remains board number 1 for me.. ) They give good explanations about radionics and similar topics.

Ok, ok. i shall try some of these and see what happens, if nothing i shall continue being cynical. IF for some odd reason it does work, then i will submit a formal apology in this thread and stop being instantly cynical of everything.

interesting... im downloading it now, will tell you all what i gather from it after a few days or so. no harm in putting it to the test of time eh? dfh out.

Later on I'll try to explain more in detail why I think this, and all sorts of magick and prayer from all different religions and cultures work or don't work. Even the christian, wicca, african, hindu, hebrew etc...

But I don't have the time for that at the moment.

[edit on 9-11-2004 by TheBandit795]

As far as I'm concerned, you're a cool dude. It's because of you that I'm not reluctant to join you in discussion about similar interests.

You really have to be careful about this business of manifestation. If you use a method that takes you literally without taking into account safeguards, the results could be disasterous. In your case, you got lucky.

I've heard of some lady & her husband who used a method that didn't take into account safeguards. They wanted to manifest $50,000 US. They got into a serious car accident. Their insurance company gave them exactly $50,000 for accident compensation. But the true cost of this manifestation method without safeguards resulted in serious physical crippling injuries which will cost them more than $50,000 to repair if that is even possible.

It all sounds good and wonderful, but are there any variations of these programs that dont cost money?

demo's and trial versions and such are usually pretty poor.

i try not to ridicule any quest to find something outside the so called "real".
questioning reality, is a blessing to those who have the ability.

i work in sales (hate it morally, just need to survive right now) and whitness the gift that GREAt salesman posess. They truly have a un identify-able gift to manipulate the minds of there customers on a deep, deep level...
Its amazing, it truly is...

I, ridicule the motivations to do so and learn how to do it.

Mind Control is not a posotive skill, it is always used for selfish agendas, regardless of whether they are right or wrong

The other things like chi generators and stuff like that looks hella interesting...
Im gonna read up on this stuff,
Thanks!

[edit on 11/9/2004 by theBLESSINGofVISION]

Questor,

I know about that. Sometimes the manifestation can go to literally. That's why people often give the intention for it to happen in the best way for all concerned.

Furthermore people. These programs are just tools. Never forget that. They are useless without human input, and with human input I mean your thoughts, feelings and state of mind. Without that they are useless.

A person with a highly disciplined mind and with conscious control over his subconscious does not need these programs or machines. It's always a good thing to know that these things are not the genie. You are. They're just a way to speed up the process or to add to convinience.

Originally posted by Githzerai
It all sounds good and wonderful, but are there any variations of these programs that dont cost money?

demo's and trial versions and such are usually pretty poor.

Yes I know, the only ones I know of that are free are digital radionics and cyber shaman.

Originally posted by theBLESSINGofVISION
I, ridicule the motivations to do so and learn how to do it.

Mind Control is not a posotive skill, it is always used for selfish agendas, regardless of whether they are right or wrong

The other things like chi generators and stuff like that looks hella interesting...
Im gonna read up on this stuff,
Thanks!

Well it can be used for mind control. Especially Tele-Hypnosis is designed for that. But the target person still has control (even if not consciously). See it as a sort of communication that can be rejected any time by the target person.

The setting that I made which caused the money to appear in my account is not mind control IMO.

And btw... Ridicule is of itself ridiculous...

Well im giving this one a go too, even though im not to sure about it, it cant help to give it a try. Though im unsure as to what exactly its saying it can do, for instance if i want a brand new shiny car outside my house, will i get one?? i doubt it, i'll start with something small, maybe ask for few bucks instead.

This thread sounds like an enormous solicitation to me.

And for anyone to believe that a 'magical' computer program inspired the universe to conspire to put $9000 into their bank account is solidly stupid. That is all.

Yes I think it's good to start small. I'm busy writing a new post right now, depends on how busy I am, I'll post it in a few hours or maybe less.

Originally posted by TheBandit795
Of course, I have to give back the money of course because the bank made a mistake which caused me to have so much money on my bank account in the first place.

So if you know it is bank error why do you try to manipulate readers into believing it's the software that caused this.
You are commiting fraud by this statement and I cannot believe that the owner of the board is allowing this.

Also, I have forwarded the link and the person advertising to the Cyber Fraud Squad who will hopefully stamp on this little fraud attempt swiftly.

Yes, of course it's a fraud attempt. It sounds too good to be true, so it must a fraud eh??


Yes it is and I have also reported it. I sure hope the admin of ATS removes this thread so it doesn't appear that ATS condones fraud. Having the occasional Sollog thread is bad enough.

A lot of people have heard about creating reality or manifesting. Some members on ATS know it as well and use it. Look at the long thread by Majic for example, in which he used a form a magick with unpleasant results.

IMHO there is hardly any religion that has never used any form of magick in anyway. Christians pray and sing in the church, in the catholic division of the christian religion (which I grew up in and still respect) they drink wine, use holy water and eat hosties (the small cookie), muslims pray, jewish pray, wiccans, buddhist, vodun and santeria practicioners, ancient European, African, American, Asian and Polynesian religions...They all use or have used magick in some form.

Magick follows one simple formula

Link to target (T) + Link to desired result (R) + Energy (E) = Magick (M)

Look in every religion and you'll probably find this formula there. Note I'm not bashing any religion here.

Christians will pray for something good too happen (=R) to themselves or others(=T). They might sing and dance in the church to feel the holy sprit (=E). Catholic christians eat a hostie (=E) right before they go to pray. Lighting a candle during prayer (=E)
Chanting, singing, pranic breathing, meditation, (years ago using a sacrifice), candles, orgasms (yes I'm serious ) are all ways to raise energy; so they are all E Strong feeling and emotion (doesn't matter if it's negative or positive) is also a good form to create big amounts of E.

It goes even further...
Mere visualizing/imagining a person or yourself is already T. Talking about something, yourself and/or someone is also already T. Looking at someone is also T. You know the feeling when you're being watch and you turn around to look right in the eyes of someone who was staring at you. That's because they had a link to the target which was you T. There was an article posted here on ATS recently about a scientific study which suggest that the feeling of being watched is a true phenomenon.

All of the other religions and practises also have such ways. Sometimes they use a lock of hair or a personal object belonging of the target (=T).

But as I said before, with visualizing somebody, or something you actually have a structural link to it or the person.So that means that every time you even think about something, you're already doing magick in a way.

Structural link to the target:
When you pray for something or do some sort of operation (depending on your religion) for something to happen to yourself, anyone or anything... The moment you are doing it you're using R. Even when you think about something or someone you always have some variations of R. In our pessimism and negative oriented society R is most often not a link to a desire, but a link to the lack of that desire or to the opposite of that desire. (if you're angry because you're not living in a safe enviroment, you hate your job, you complain about your husband, wife, children too much work, overly focusing on a problem and not the solution, focusing on or complaining about your disease etc...). The desire is there, --(you want to live in a safe enviroment, you want a nice and/or job, you want your wife, husband, children to behave good, focusing more on the solution of a problem and finding it, focusing on being, living or getting healthy)-- but the link R is on the opposite of the desire.

The formula is simple...

The more value T and R and E have, which means the longer the links to T and R remain in place and the more E is added, the faster M will come.

For the average person with a undisciplined mind, like myself, it's very difficult for T and R to remain in place for a long time. Let me give you an example. Try to visualize a pencil in detail for longer than ten seconds without having any other thoughts interferring with you visualizing the pencil. It hardly works. Most people can't even hold the pencil in their imagination for two seconds. Some other thoughts will pass by and try to keep the person occupied. That's because especially in the western society we're raised/trained to be like that. Having a millions thoughts a second (which are usually worries) passing by in our minds. (Think on the constant flashin and changing images on the t.v. that are constantly direct your mind on something else every second). No.... relax....

It's been shown that it's easier to have that focus, to keep those T and R in place, by lowering the brainwave activity down to alpha or theta phases.... That's why lots of people practise meditation and hypnosis. The random thoughts, the chatter in your head gets a lot less when you go in to a deeper state of mind. But of course.. The average person in the modern world nowadays has no ideas of this.

This is where helpful tools such as radionics step in...

Apparently radionics keep the T and R in place long after you have stopped meditating on, or thinking about the operation. That's all. I've just described the whole workings of radionics hardware and software in that last sentence. That's why they work. They're just a vehicle, but not the means. A person with a focused enough mind does not need radionics and psionics machines. But I'm that kind of person right now.

And of course for the magick to come faster you also need energy, aka orgone, aka chi, aka prana, aka manna, aka holy spirit...

This is were helpful tools such as a tree, the sun, high emotion, singing, dancing, laughing, chanting, fire, candles, praying together with a group, eating a hostie, holy water, orgasm (yes I said that again...) come in the picture. Which includes chi generators. The more powerful your chi generator, the more E you have for your magick operation and the faster your results come.

As simple as that... T + R + E = M

I've just described an important part of human history IMO. Perhaps the most important part of human history ever.

Another thing that is important when you do a magick operation of any sort is that you forget about it a soon as you finish. This is to avoid yourself from undermining or boycotting the operation by asking yourself if it's really working, or doubting that it's working... in short... disbelief and doubt. Those can undermine any operation as soon as they pop up in your mind. That's why people use banishing spells or do something totally different as soon as they've finished doing the magick (such as cleaning the house, laughing, playing video games, watching tv, seeing a movie etc..). Anything to keep their mind off of it. And the results often come at a time when you'd never expect for it to come.. (Like me going to the atm to take out some money, expecting to see nothing but my normal salary on the Atm receipt). When you plant a seed, you will never dig it up every hour to see if the plant has started to grow out of it.... Then it will never grow.

So the main and most important thing is still your mind and whatsoever you have the habit of focusing your attention on. Because that is always what you get eventually.





[edit on 9-11-2004 by TheBandit795]

Originally posted by DeltaChaos
This thread sounds like an enormous solicitation to me.

And for anyone to believe that a 'magical' computer program inspired the universe to conspire to put $9000 into their bank account is solidly stupid. That is all.

Read my explanatory post above...

If this thread is removed, it will be everyone else's loss not TheBandit795 nor mine.

All further important info that could have been presented in the future from either of us will cease and then you will never know if any of this could have been beneficial to you.

I was just starting to open up more. Perhaps I should go back to being vague & conservative so as not to ruffle any feathers. Yes. I think that's best. The folks at ATS are not ready. Communications effectively ceased as of now.

Originally posted by evecasino
So if you know it is bank error why do you try to manipulate readers into believing it's the software that caused this.
You are commiting fraud by this statement and I cannot believe that the owner of the board is allowing this.

Because I was described result that the money appeared in my bank account. That's what I was talking about. And that it happened so litteraly. I intent was that the money would appear in my bank account. Not how... And not that it would be mine... Which I realized after realizing that it was most probably a mistake by the bank. Banks usually don't make those kind of mistakes and they knew perfectly well that it was not supposed to end up in my bank account.

Yes it is and I have also reported it. I sure hope the admin of ATS removes this thread so it doesn't appear that ATS condones fraud. Having the occasional Sollog thread is bad enough.

Reporting something you don't understand... Too bad...