Ancient city discovered deep in Amazonian rainforest linked to the legendary white-skinned Cloud Peo

Originally posted by ElohimJD
reply to post by purplemer

 

Cool stuff to read about, thanks.

I remember reading somewhere a while back that Solomon had blond hair and blue eyes, and that most Israelites were also fair skinned, blonds back when only a few generations seperated Solomon from Abraham and Sarah (both were recorded as blond hair, blue eyed by Egyptian documentation).

Of course over time the races would integrate in the Middle East and become darker skinned.

Anyway I bring this up, because there is an aboriginal legend speaking of their race being brought from far away to Australia by "fair skinned blond hair blue eyed seamen" and Solomon was known as having the greatest navy in history at the time of his reign. Also with the union of Israel and Sheba through marrage, Solomon had access to dark skinned Africans and wanted to help them prosper by relocating them to other uninhabited lands to dwell in.

Could Solomon have used his global influence to relocate races and spread civilizations abroad. It reminds me of the Aztec and Mayan origin stories, with bearded light skinned men bring them over in ships; this story led to their slaughter hundreds of years later when they saw Cortez and thought of him as the return of their God who brought them to the land of their home.

I don't know if any of this is true or not, but could a nation (Solomonic Israel) have been more advanced then we think today and been able to relocate peoples to new lands across oceans?

Most of these civilizations are dated back to a similar period of time (1000 BCE).

Awesome thread and cool discovery.

God Bless,

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Ok stop right there this is beginning to smell like the master race theories of the past,first of all Solomon and his people blonds and blue eyed folks would had been extremely rare if you follow their line from Ur in Chaldea which is Sumer they were a dark-skinned dark hair and dark eyed people probably looking like a south east Asian today so dark skinned were they that called themselves Saggiga the Black headed ones,they moved into another land with dark skinned folks the Canaanites some what related to Kemites aka Egyptians.in the biblical sense.

In the so-called Table of Peoples in the tenth chapter of Genesis, "Canaan" is included among the four sons of Ham. Egypt, and Put the Puntites, and if Ham is really a Hebraized form of the old Egyptian name for Egypt, Kam-t (black). Typically it is taken that Cush in 10:6 really means Ethiopia, Mizraim
www.creedopedia.com...

The last three are Semites of Canaan the first is a Nile valley Kush.i.t.e of the darkest hue.
Solomon was a rinky dink King who needed the wealth of Sheba to build his temple for that kingdom was more extensive than his own, it was they who helped him prosper if anything,and other than trade in exotic goods why would Africans want to relocate in far away America,yes the Kemities Kush and Axumites sometimes linked to the other side of the Red sea had navies. but any such new world voyages would have been sporadic and not meant to set up colonies.

Solomon needed experts from other lands to build his temple so while high tech for that era he and his people had to out source his project to his neighbors.

Originally posted by MysterX


Who knows, but it's certainly interesting to me that many cultures of dark skinned people from all over the world, recount that these tall, blond haired, blue eyed teachers, who with their advanced knowledge and technologies came and gave the people knowledge and civilisation.

edit on 12-7-2013 by MysterX because: added text

Yes and red haired people.

Originally posted by Spider879

The last three are Semites of Canaan the first is a Nile valley Kush.i.t.e of the darkest hue.
Solomon was a rinky dink King who needed the wealth of Sheba to build his temple for that kingdom was more extensive than his own, it was they who helped him prosper if anything,and other than trade in exotic goods why would Africans want to relocate in far away America,yes the Kemities Kush and Axumites sometimes linked to the other side of the Red sea had navies. but any such new world voyages would have been sporadic and not meant to set up colonies.

Solomon needed experts from other lands to build his temple so while high tech for that era he and his people had to out source his project to his neighbors.

edit on 12-7-2013 by Spider879 because: just because

Yes he needed experts from other lands. His nation had basically just came out of many years as an agricultural type nation. However these farmers and the like had finally defeated the mighty Philistine empire under Solomon's dad David. At least they were the main contributing factor. With them out of the way much tribute was shown to the Israelites for that and some other reasons.

What was still in place was the trade structure and the shipping culture. With the Philistines gone trade loosened up considerably. Solomon became fast friends with the king of that sea and trade culture. Even one of the tribes of Israel the Dannites, a coastal tribe, became renown for their sea fearing capabilities.

reply to post by MysterX

So too are some of the people who make up Australian Aboriginals. They are a genetic mystery, in that some of them, although they are dark skinned, have naturally blond hair and bright blue eyes...

There is no genetic mystery for blondism in certain Black Asians.

So how are they blonde? The genes which seem to control variation in human skin color seem to have some effect on hair color. Blondism in Europeans is simply due to low levels of eumelanin (brown) and pheomelanin (reddish), and the darkening of skin naturally has a tendency to upregulate the production of melanin globally so as to darken hair. How can the peoples of Bougainville retain dark skin while selectively downregulating the production to their hair? Well, we know that the region around OCA2 is implicated in a quasi-Mendelian disproportionate reduction in the pigment level in the iris. One assumes that something similar is theoretically feasible for hair....
www.gnxp.com...

Africans in rare cases also carries trigger for blue eyes without a case to be made for inheritance from Europeans.

Human skin color diversity is highest in sub-Saharan African populations. Relethford JH. Source Department of Anthropology, State University of New York College at Oneonta, 13820, USA. Abstract Previous studies of genetic and craniometric traits have found higher levels of within-population diversity in sub-Saharan Africa compared to other geographic regions. This study examines regional differences in within-population diversity of human skin color. Published data on skin reflectance were collected for 98 male samples from eight geographic regions: sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, Europe, West Asia, Southwest Asia, South Asia, Australasia, and the New World. Regional differences in local within-population diversity were examined using two measures of variability: the sample variance and the sample coefficient of variation. For both measures, the average level of within-population diversity is higher in sub-Saharan Africa than in other geographic regions. This difference persists even after adjusting for a correlation between within-population diversity and distance from the equator. Though affected by natural selection, skin color variation shows the same pattern of higher African diversity as found with other traits.
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Originally posted by Harte
BTW, no Solutrean points have ever been found anywhere West of the Atlantic Ocean. The points found in the U.S. share with Solutrean points the characteristic of bi-facialness. This type of point can also be found in Asia, in multiple places, as you can read on this page.

This fact, coupled with DNA anaysis which fails to support any genetic connection, pretty much consigns the Solutrean Hypothesis to the dustbin.

Harte

"BTW, no Solutrean points have ever been found anywhere West of the Atlantic Ocean."

Some experts on the subject would argue against that statement. As to your reference, bifacial points yes, same technology/tool kit no.

"DNA analysis fails to support any genetic connection"; what DNA analysis are you referring to?

Dustbin, perhaps a bit premature and radical approach, no?

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Some experts on the subject would argue against that statement. As to your reference, bifacial points yes, same technology/tool kit no.

To what Harte said

"BTW, no Solutrean points have ever been found anywhere West of the Atlantic Ocean."

..and that is where it stands, x number of experts say yes the other other experts say no. Typical scientific discussion when the data is to weak to allow a definitive statement which will become the consensus.

New evidence will be found or it will remain unproven. The new information if found may change it to disproven or proven - in the sense of acceptance.

Originally posted by Heliocentric

Originally posted by Harte
BTW, no Solutrean points have ever been found anywhere West of the Atlantic Ocean. The points found in the U.S. share with Solutrean points the characteristic of bi-facialness. This type of point can also be found in Asia, in multiple places, as you can read on this page.

This fact, coupled with DNA anaysis which fails to support any genetic connection, pretty much consigns the Solutrean Hypothesis to the dustbin.

Harte

"BTW, no Solutrean points have ever been found anywhere West of the Atlantic Ocean."

Some experts on the subject would argue against that statement. As to your reference, bifacial points yes, same technology/tool kit no.

I disagree with Hans. I'm certain that even the few who still hold out hope for the Solutrean Hypothesis have never claimed anything but similarity between the styles of edges. Nobody has ever claimed that any point ever found in the Western Hemisphere was Solutrean. Which is what I stated.

You can see why here:

Soultrean points:


Clovis points



Preclovis points:



Reasonably well-made preclovis point:



Biface stone tools - southern China - dated to approximately 800,000 YBP:



As I stated, if bifacial tools is the link, then a perfectly logical explanation is that they came from Asia, where such tools had already been manufactured for thousands of years and where (the DNA analysis tells us) Native Americans came from.

Originally posted by Heliocentric
"DNA analysis fails to support any genetic connection"; what DNA analysis are you referring to?

This is not the latest. It's just the latest I've saved: link

You can find more on that particular finding as well as many more recent studies if you look.

Originally posted by Heliocentric
Dustbin, perhaps a bit premature and radical approach, no?

A matter of opinion. I stated mine.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


Some hypothesis spring up but the evidence fails to show up, such as Polynesian movement to SA or NA, Norse settlements to the south of LAM, etc. Some hypothesis sit around for years, decades sometimes, before the evidence is found to support them while many hypothesis, the majority, just fade away when the evidence is never find or die a fiery death when contra-evidence is found.

If you liked failed theories and hypothesis I can recommend reading the following

Dictionary of Theories by Jennifer Bothamley, ISBN 1-57859-045-0, it contains 5,000 samples, some accepted many more discarded.

reply to post by Hanslune


Whatever. The issue won't be solved in internet forums, but by future research.

In the meanwhile, I'm keeping an eye on projects like this one:

www.postandcourier.com... age-coast

Originally posted by Heliocentric
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Whatever. The issue won't be solved in internet forums, but by future research.

In the meanwhile, I'm keeping an eye on projects like this one:

www.postandcourier.com... age-coast

Yes such questions are usually resolved in the field.

Interesting report but I would suggest they will not get funding, the depth is to great and underwater archaeology is extremely expensive. I would also suggest that they if they get money to do it it will be limited the maritime equivalent of test pits.

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Heliocentric
"DNA analysis fails to support any genetic connection"; what DNA analysis are you referring to?

This is not the latest. It's just the latest I've saved: link

You can find more on that particular finding as well as many more recent studies if you look.

Harte

Interesting. I suppose you're familiar with the work of Brown on Haplogroup X:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

For those that are not, the only group of 'Siberians' that could have carried the X mtDNA to America is a small population in the Altai mountains. However, The species of haplogroup X found among the Altaians is different than that found in the New World. None of the Altaian X mtDNAs had a mutation called the 225A variant. Brown et al. (1998) identify the 225A variant as a major marker for the X haplogroup.

This is confirmed by Reidla's study “Origin and Diffusion of mtDNA Haplogroup X,”

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

The results of this study point to the following conclusions. First, haplogroup X variation is completely captured by two ancient clades that display distinctive phylogeographic patterns—X1 is largely restricted to North and East Africa, whereas X2 is spread widely throughout West Eurasia. Second, it is apparent that the Native American haplogroup X mtDNAs derive from X2 by a unique combination of five mutations.
Third, the few Altaian (Derenko et al. 2001) and Siberian haplogroup X lineages are not related to the Native American cluster, and they are more likely explained by recent gene flow from Europe or from West Asia.

Conclusion: The discovery of haplogroup X in an isolated, tiny group in Asia does not explain the source of the 225A variant in the New World. We can therefore not draw the conclusion that the ancestors of the Altaians brought it there, and we will have to look for the introduction of the 225A variant (according to Brown; 12,000 to 36,00 BP) in Native Americans from elsewhere.

And a bonus read on the mtDNA X2a; now where did it come from?

www.articlesbase.com...

Further study has been done.

Most Native American X haplotypes do not contain the 225A variant, which is present in all of European X mtDNA, and not found in Altaian X haplotypes. At least, not today.

link

Harte

This blog talks about Turehu, Urukehu, Waitaha and a discovery tangatawhenua16.wix.com...

originally posted by: SanitySearcher
This blog talks about Turehu, Urukehu, Waitaha and a discovery tangatawhenua16.wix.com...

But this is a discussion about the Amazon, not New Zealand

a reply to: Marduk

Am not sure what the link is trying to say, are they saying the pre Maoris are Europeanish?? or that they just arrived on the Island earlier and could very well some how be related in a general pacific gene pool sense but not exactly ethnic Maoris.

originally posted by: Spider879
a reply to: Marduk

Am not sure what the link is trying to say, are they saying the pre Maoris are Europeanish?? or that they just arrived on the Island earlier and could very well some how be related in a general pacific gene pool sense but not exactly ethnic Maoris.

They are trying to claim that a Celtic civilisation was there until the Maori turned up and ate them
No evidence at all yet and the current claim is based on a claim made in the early 90s which was completely debunked in 1996. The fringers haven't caught up yet..

a reply to: SanitySearcher

After his rather disjointed "theory" of pre-Maori giants, he has this little passage in his text: "...yet there is no physical proof of anything, supposedly because local Iwi hid them away or destroyed them. That may be true - it may not. But there is not a single photograph of these supposed 'finds'."

If there is "no physical proof of anything," and "not a single photograph of these supposed 'finds'" exist, then you do not have a theory, you have a fantasy.

I was unaware of much of the facts and research in this thread. Thanks everyone, I have learned something new and found another area to research further on my own. Fascinating stuff.

a reply to: Spider879

sanitysearcher is spamming threads with this link, but offering no discussion.
Frankly, the link stinks...