Ancient city discovered deep in Amazonian rainforest linked to the legendary white-skinned Cloud Peo

I had never heard of the cloud people before until I read the article. What is interesting is they are described and blond haired and blue eyes and living in the depths of the Amazonian rainforest. It is said the cloud people once held a vast kingdom across the Andes until they got conquered by the Incas.

The citadel they discovered was in the remote mountainous area of Peru known.. It would be interesting if they worked out how they got there and where they came from.

The tribe had white skin and blonde hair - features which intrigue historians, as there is no known European ancestry in the region, where most inhabitants are darker skinned.

The citadel is tucked away in one of the most far-flung areas of the Amazon. It sits at the edge of a chasm which the tribe may have used as a lookout to spy on enemies.

An ancient Chachapoyas village located close to the area where the lost city was found

www.dailymail.co.uk... l

if you look at the style of house it is exactly like the old french type of home white people were about long ago .

even as far as china they are the pyramid builders over there we have been pushed out of everywhere in pre -history but you do not here about it s& f for bringing this up .

I am interested in seeing the article.
But I'm not seeing a link.

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My mistake..

www.dailymail.co.uk... l

Very pretty village. S&F It would be nice to have a link to the article though.

Never mind, I guess it took me over three minutes to read the thread and comment.

An Anunnaki settlement?

Its strange to think of a white skinned blue eyed people living in the Amazon with no physical link to any of the other peoples in that area.

I reminds me of an article I read somewhere sometime ago about finding the graves of a group of blond haired, fair skinned people, who had been living in a part of China, where again they were so physically different from the other people living in that area.

I wouldn't be surprised if in South America huge areas were lived in and simply the people moved on and the jungle has simply over run the area.I would imagine that history books will have to be changed If it turns out that that continent had been highly populated in the past. Its strange how we are at the stage where history in many places in need of re-editing yet our scholars seem reticient to do so.

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Hi purp... Cool thread...

Wow.. This is new to me. I have been doing some researching and found a few things. I found a video too. The guy is like the real Indiana Jones..! Also found a bit of information too. Most recent being 2011. Seems peeps are still trying to figure out why the Cloud People or Chachapoya tribe were so unusually fair-skinned and famously beautiful..

Chachapoya culture
The Chachapoyas, also called the Warriors of the Clouds, was a culture of Andean people living in the cloud forests of the Amazonas Region of present-day Peru. The Incas conquered their civilization shortly before the arrival of the Spanish in Peru. When the Spanish arrived in Peru in the 16th century, the Chachapoyas were one of the many nations ruled by the Inca Empire. Their incorporation into the Inca Empire had not been easy, due to their constant resistance to the Inca troops.

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Cieza de León remarked that, among the indigenous Peruvians, the Chachapoyas were unusually fair-skinned and famously beautiful:
"They are the whitest and most handsome of all the people that I have seen in Indies, and their wives were so beautiful that because of their gentleness, many of them deserved to be the Incas' wives and to also be taken to the Sun Temple (...) The women and their husbands always dressed in woolen clothes and in their heads they wear their llautos, which are a sign they wear to be known everywhere."

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I wonder where the Cloud People came from. I wonder if they were an indigenous tribe to the Indies. Maybe they came from a completely external place...

Makes for interesting investigations...

the hungarian language has been found over south america in tribes who have never seen white people but state that way back in time their ancestors came from there

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There are a lot of ancient civilizations that have stories of a fair skinned, light haired people that had come before them. The Maori come to mind, however, such information is supressed for whate-ever reasons.

I'd like to see DNA analysis of the Chachapoya, it'd be interesting to see where they come from.

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im seeing an alien spaceship in the paintings at the end and not a bird as the presenter suggests lol

Originally posted by Shiloh7
Its strange to think of a white skinned blue eyed people living in the Amazon with no physical link to any of the other peoples in that area.

I reminds me of an article I read somewhere sometime ago about finding the graves of a group of blond haired, fair skinned people, who had been living in a part of China, where again they were so physically different from the other people living in that area.

I wouldn't be surprised if in South America huge areas were lived in and simply the people moved on and the jungle has simply over run the area.I would imagine that history books will have to be changed If it turns out that that continent had been highly populated in the past. Its strange how we are at the stage where history in many places in need of re-editing yet our scholars seem reticient to do so.

We know that South America had a very large prehistoric population just from all the manufactured soil they have found. Enough to feed a very large population.

The Amazon also shows signs of forestry management, the lowest estimates put it at 10%, the highest are much higher.

Originally posted by Shiloh7
Its strange to think of a white skinned blue eyed people living in the Amazon with no physical link to any of the other peoples in that area.

Yes, that idea is strange. And it doesn't apply to the Chachapoyas.

The only info we have on them from the time when they existed appears on the linked site:

Chachapoyas chronicler Pedro Cieza de Leon wrote of the tribe: 'They are the whitest and most handsome of all the people that I have seen, and their wives were so beautiful that because of their gentleness, many of them deserved to be the Incas' wives and to also be taken to the Sun Temple.

The whitest people Cieza de Leon had seen in South America. This does not mean even that they were fair skinned, much less white.

To say nothing of your "blue eyes" comment, or your genetics fantasy.

Preliminary analyses of skeletons from Laguna de los Condores, Laguna Huallabamba and and Los Pinchudos document rather typical Native American physiognomies that may reflect variation within parameters of Andean populations. Not a shred of evidence supports the idea of "White" Chachapoya populations of European or Mediterranean descent. In fact, studies of DNA from mortuary remains at Laguna Huallabamba linked one cadaver to a living descendent in the nearby village of Utchucmarca, a case demonstrating biological continuity between ancient and modern population not unlike Britain's "Cheddar Man".

Source: Encyclopedia of Anthropology - Book 2 (PDF)

Harte

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Oh my, you mean to tell us that mainstream archeology disagrees?

I joke, but come on, almost nothing we were being taught 25 years ago is true, so I have my doubts when it comes to today's teachings.

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
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Oh my, you mean to tell us that mainstream archeology disagrees?

I joke, but come on, almost nothing we were being taught 25 years ago is true, so I have my doubts when it comes to today's teachings.

Not sure you were paying attention to your teacher 25 years ago then.

Please elucidate.

And no, it's not "mainstream" that disagrees. For example, where in the article is blue eyes mentioned? The source I used, Pedro Cieza de Leon, is the only European to have recorded anything about the Chachapoya in person and he died in 1554. He was a conquistador, not a mainstream anthropologist.

As was stated, DNA analysis of Chachapoya mummies indicated nothing out of the ordinary. They appear to have migrated from the Andes so they weren't likely to have descended from the same groups their neighbors did.

What, exactly, is it that the "mainstream" is supposedly disagreeing with here? The evidence? Or the purely ignorant speculation of people unaware of the actual known facts of the situation?

Harte

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The point is not whether or not their eyes were blue,the point is they were described as "white-skinned" people in a pre-Colombian civilization that is possibly thousands of years old.Since you pointed out that particular flaw in this thread,perhaps you are an expert on the Cloud People and you can explain to all of us exactly how they appeared.

Originally posted by jammer2012
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The point is not whether or not their eyes were blue,the point is they were described as "white-skinned" people in a pre-Colombian civilization that is possibly thousands of years old.Since you pointed out that particular flaw in this thread,perhaps you are an expert on the Cloud People and you can explain to all of us exactly how they appeared.

Reading comprehension 101, where is white skin mentioned?:

They are the whitest and most handsome of all the people that I have seen

Refer back to Harte's link. Nothing suggesting they were white skinned.

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lol... what do you think he means buy whitest (pure in spirit)...lol...or his skin color...i don't have any problem with my reading comprehension, i think you have no common sense.

reply to post by randomtangentsrme

If you read the Mail Online article, it says that they were fair and blonde (though granted, it doesn't say they were blue-eyed).

The tribe had white skin and blonde hair - features which intrigue historians, as there is no known European ancestry in the region, where most inhabitants are darker skinned.

MailOnline article

Originally posted by jammer2012
reply to post by randomtangentsrme

 

lol... what do you think he means buy whitest (pure in spirit)...lol...or his skin color...i don't have any problem with my reading comprehension, i think you have no common sense.

Whitest, closest to his own skin tone and features- Or have you not noticed various people of different ancestry hold various traits closer or further to Anglo features?
Pure in spirit seams a more religious thought. Take either K.I.S.S. (Keep it simple stupid) or Occam's Razor

It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected. In other words, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

en.wikipedia.org...
I will admit I could be wrong. I have seen nothing to prove that, and only seen in this thread proof to my opinion.

In regards to my common sense, I will rely on others than myself to decide that. As obviously my opinion is biased to myself.