Military Coup Underway In Egypt...

Originally posted by johncarter

Originally posted by MrPlow

Originally posted by whatzshaken
reply to post by MrPlow

 

Its exactly how you solve your problems in a democratic way.

Morsi was elected and did not do a good enough job.

regardless of term length, Who ever is elected works for the people.

The people have spoken.

Its all about eliminating corruption until someone can do the job of leading their people to prosperity in the eyes of truth and righteousness.

Obama should not be able to finish his term and the American people should take note, and follow the example of other nations you rise up and take back liberty and freedom they have had slowly taken away from them

edit on 3-7-2013 by whatzshaken because: (no reason given)

No, it's not. This wasn't the "will of the people"
The people can't just overthrow a democratically elected leader that was brought to power BY the will of the people....and still call yourself a democracy.
Of course, the people of Egypt have every right to overthrow their leader if they choose...but they ALSO lose the right to call themselves a democracy.

You are so wrong.

The term Democracy originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people", The term was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (kratos) "power" or "rule" resulting in power by the people.

If millions of angry people, who elected you stands outside your residential window asking you to leave or else, you leave or you will face the armed forces of the Demos..uh..sorry..the people.

edit on 4-7-2013 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

It doesn't matter what kind of a romantic spin you want to put on it. The people elected him and the people get what they elect. If the people want to live in a democracy, then they have to behave like they're in a democracy. The people set rules for elections and they have a constitution. This isn't "if at first you don't succeed, # it- tear it all down" The people got what they wanted and when they saw that democracy meant having a leader they didn't like very much....oh well...suck it up.....you elected him. Utilize that constitution of yours and behave like the civilized democracy you're trying to be.
Now, they are back to being under a military dictatorship. Brilliant.

Originally posted by MrPlow

Originally posted by johncarter

Originally posted by MrPlow

Originally posted by whatzshaken
reply to post by MrPlow

 

Its exactly how you solve your problems in a democratic way.

Morsi was elected and did not do a good enough job.

regardless of term length, Who ever is elected works for the people.

The people have spoken.

Its all about eliminating corruption until someone can do the job of leading their people to prosperity in the eyes of truth and righteousness.

Obama should not be able to finish his term and the American people should take note, and follow the example of other nations you rise up and take back liberty and freedom they have had slowly taken away from them

edit on 3-7-2013 by whatzshaken because: (no reason given)

No, it's not. This wasn't the "will of the people"
The people can't just overthrow a democratically elected leader that was brought to power BY the will of the people....and still call yourself a democracy.
Of course, the people of Egypt have every right to overthrow their leader if they choose...but they ALSO lose the right to call themselves a democracy.

You are so wrong.

The term Democracy originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people", The term was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (kratos) "power" or "rule" resulting in power by the people.

If millions of angry people, who elected you stands outside your residential window asking you to leave or else, you leave or you will face the armed forces of the Demos..uh..sorry..the people.

edit on 4-7-2013 by johncarter because: (no reason given)

It doesn't matter what kind of a romantic spin you want to put on it. The people elected him and the people get what they elect. If the people want to live in a democracy, then they have to behave like they're in a democracy. The people set rules for elections and they have a constitution. This isn't "if at first you don't succeed, # it- tear it all down" The people got what they wanted and when they saw that democracy meant having a leader they didn't like very much....oh well...suck it up.....you elected him. Utilize that constitution of yours and behave like the civilized democracy you're trying to be.
Now, they are back to being under a military dictatorship. Brilliant.

You keep blabbing about the "people" yet you do not understand what the term 'Demos' (people) and 'Kratos' (power) means, including the sociopolitical structure such form of political system denotes.

Well let me put it this way then;

Every nation gets the government it deserves.--Joseph de Maistre

Happy now?

You are so wrong.

The term Democracy originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people", The term was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (kratos) "power" or "rule" resulting in power by the people.

If millions of angry people, who elected you stands outside your residential window asking you to leave or else, you leave or you will face the armed forces of the Demos..uh..sorry..the people.


I will second that and a very good point johncarter.
This is what we have forgotten in the USA.
It is we the people that make up the government,We are the government.
We the people are the government and the constitution of the United States.
With out us there is no government.This was the idea of the founding fathers of the
United States Of America.The constitution belongs to us not the government.
The government belongs to us.

When a solider take his or her oath it is to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

They are to defend us, we the people against the government.
I truly believe there will come a time when our men and women will have to
look deep inside themselves to really see which side of the fence they are going to stand on.
That goes for the people of law enforcement and every position of held by different individuals.
Also every man and woman. They will decide the fate of America for the true power is in the
hands of we the people.

reply to post by grayghost


Come on folks...

Why turn this around into a debate about the United states... shame on you all...

This thread was created to celebrate what is happening in EGYPT RIGHT NOW!

Although your posts might be respected and understood by many people If you want to debate, argue or bicker about what is going on in the USA then create another thread please?

Do non of you have consideration or respect for what is going on over there or do you repeatedly have to shove your ideals down other peoples throats because you cannot take your blinkers off and realise that there are other countries apart from YOUR VERY OWN!!??... this thread is about a celebration... not bickering and debating about YOUR country YET AGAIN!.

Thank you for bombing this thread out.... you must be happy now?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Has anyone posted these yet!

I think they're eye openers.


CNN: Protestors 'Anti-Obama' As Well As Anti-Morsi

directorblue.blogspot.ca...

The pictures tell it straight up!

reply to post by Rodinus

I think it might be too soon to start calling the military coup in Egypt a GOOD thing. There is still a high probability of violence and civil unrest/war. At this point all we can hope for is a non-violent and orderly transition with elections being held as soon as possible. There is not a single form of government that is flawless(democracy included); the Egyptian people will have to make a choice and stick with it or their country could end up in shambles.

Originally posted by SuperFrog
Military protecting population from government.... wish more countries have military like that...

The fact is that not many countries have military like this. Military in most countries now is just a tool in the hands of the goverment to protect their power.

Originally posted by TheWetCoast
reply to post by Rodinus

 

I think it might be too soon to start calling the military coup in Egypt a GOOD thing. There is still a high probability of violence and civil unrest/war. At this point all we can hope for is a non-violent and orderly transition with elections being held as soon as possible. There is not a single form of government that is flawless(democracy included); the Egyptian people will have to make a choice and stick with it or their country could end up in shambles.

Thanks for your comment TheWetCoast,

Over there in Egypt they are calling it a military coup (i suppose it is a choice of words according to cultural differences?).

I share the same opinion as you when you state that there is a high probabilty of civil unrest/war, but for some reason i think that the army, with the help of "liberal" civils will somehow be able to come up with a decent solution during the transition period... (i personally believe that this has been worked on for quite a while now)

However.. and i am saying this as a personal point of view... what they have to be careful about is what the "hidden factions" will do... when i say hidden factions i mean the Islamic fundamentalists and their cronies of course!.. THEY are the ones that need to be sorted out first and not by the USA or NATO but by the Egyption people themselves... Up until now they have done quite well with hardly no bloodspill?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

Originally posted by TheWetCoast
reply to post by Rodinus

 

I think it might be too soon to start calling the military coup in Egypt a GOOD thing. There is still a high probability of violence and civil unrest/war. At this point all we can hope for is a non-violent and orderly transition with elections being held as soon as possible. There is not a single form of government that is flawless(democracy included); the Egyptian people will have to make a choice and stick with it or their country could end up in shambles.

Excellent point. The Egyptian army has now showed they are capable of dethroning dictators two times within a year. That without any larger bloodshed. I think this army is a sure thing. It's an army faithful to the people.

What is worrisome though is their handling of the Muslim Brotherhood. This bunch of gutter-slime will probably "import" the worst al-Qaeda/Taliban thugs they can think of, from Iraq and Afghanistan, and start sending waves of suicide bombers into the wonderful bazaar streets of Cairo and other cities. This of course as to scare the hell out of people and force some return to their beloved sharia law paradise.

Its a dicey time ahead. This second revolution in Egypt has arrived with not only cheers and joy but with an ominous jihadist cloud in the background. Lets hope the Egyptian ppl will help the police and the military keep the order until a new government is elected.


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It appears that the muslim brotherhood had just signed a loan agreement with the IMF a few weeks ago.

This puts a whole different picture on this egypt mess - does the loan still hold?

This is what this overthrow of this gov't might be about. The egyptian people don't want to become enslaved to the elite banksters?

I hope for the egyptian people this is now void.

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According to the rapidly changing conditions in Cairo and the rest of Egypt, the MB are no more considered a legal entity and thus not eligible any loans or other forms of contributions. But considering one of their stooges is a certain president in our White House, who knows what secret slush funds might end up in their underground coffers?

reply to post by Rodinus


I´ve been many times to egypt, although not lately, I made several good friendships there and with the information from them and what I personally experienced, the military there is very connected to the people. Even as a foreigner you´re warmly welcomed by them and I would say 3 of 5 times I had to do with the military (roadblock, being with the friends), we shared some roselle tea and dates. (the fruit date, not actual dates). Maybe this comes because of my hooky noose and the few egyptian arab words I know or because of my egyptian friends when we were on our way together.

However, the military there seems to be kind of close to the people. It feels like they think of themselves as the protectors and friends of the people rather then being something better then the usual folks. Of course I´m not saying that military people in general think that, I just want to bring my point across.

Originally posted by verschickter
reply to post by Rodinus

 

I´ve been many times to egypt, although not lately, I made several good friendships there and with the information from them and what I personally experienced, the military there is very connected to the people. Even as a foreigner you´re warmly welcomed by them and I would say 3 of 5 times I had to do with the military (roadblock, being with the friends), we shared some roselle tea and dates. (the fruit date, not actual dates). Maybe this comes because of my hooky noose and the few egyptian arab words I know or because of my egyptian friends when we were on our way together.

However, the military there seems to be kind of close to the people. It feels like they think of themselves as the protectors and friends of the people rather then being something better then the usual folks. Of course I´m not saying that military people in general think that, I just want to bring my point across.

Thank you Vers for contributing in a constructive way to this thread, your point is more than respected and understood.

I too have friends from Egypt and basically they are saying the same thing as your post

The "people" on the streets are the people that you are talking about.

Kindest respects

Rodinus

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Right now Live from Cairo. The Egyptian Supreme Court holding a pressconference declaring Egypt free from the dictatorial Morsi and his MB. It seems, by what I understand from the translator of the various witness statemenets by the judges, that Morsi and his extremist thugs restricted the judges from protecting the ppl and the original constitution of Egypt (the one Pre-Morsi). I also suspect they are about to swear in the new interim president Adly Mansour (nice name).

I think Morsi is truly f..ked...if these ppl are pissed at him, which they seem to be

More here Live Al Jazeera

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A day after coup, Egyptians awake to unertainty
Wondered why there was no thread yet

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Thanks John,

Not easy to keep up with everything here as i have about 15 windows up on 2 comps!

Kindest respects

Rodinus

reply to post by Rodinus

A little bit off topic, but I hope the new government, when elected, will put a stop to the destroying of the aquaculture and the reef and not tossing the garbage at the roadside instead of collecting it from there. When I first went there about 1995 I was like WTF are they doing!

Originally posted by verschickter
reply to post by Rodinus

 

A little bit off topic, but I hope the new government, when elected, will put a stop to the destroying of the aquaculture and the reef and not tossing the garbage at the roadside instead of collecting it from there. When I first went there about 1995 I was like WTF are they doing!

Not easy for people like us that come from another culture do adapt straight away i guess?

A little bit of "diplomatic" education or "suggestions" probably would not go amist???

But THAT is another story for once Egypt has got back on its feet agin methinks?

Kindest respects

Rodinus

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I think it has more to do with awareness of what they´re doing, instead of cultue. If you´ve been to Egypt you know the plastic bag issue pretty sure for example.

Originally posted by verschickter
reply to post by Rodinus

 

I think it has more to do with awareness of what they´re doing, instead of cultue. If you´ve been to Egypt you know the plastic bag issue pretty sure for example.

Hold on Mr T, i am raising my glass of Cabernet up to the Egyptian people... and have to answer a few pro mails...

*Hic*...

Kindest respects

Rodinus