Your "Ufology" Is Lacking. Can You Handle the Truth (Evidence)?

At the age of 13 I had,, along with a close friend, a strange experience that was, in its' own way, a classic UFO sighting of a sort. I didn't speak about it at the time to anyone save the friend who was there and, lo and behold, a few days later my mum, who worked in a library comes home with a book and says " I think you should read this"... It was John Keel's Operation Trojan Horse. Coincidence? Big numbers,? Fine I can see how that is probably the rational explanation for that, so I read it and at that age, I wanted it to be "aliens", "travellers from the stars" and the evidence seemed to suggest that might well be what they were.

A couple of years later Devereaux publishes his book about "Earthlights" and though my heart did sink a little, I thought. "There we go, that's a good rump of unexplained now properly identified as a hitherto, unknown natural phenomenon.". It wasn't, at that time, the outcome I was hoping for however, that's how it panned out so that was that. Move on and let's see where we can nail those that remain as unidentified.

Later on there was the work of Persinger which really did launch the whole "it's in the head thing". Again here was a credible explanation for various experiences people have had and one that was big enough to admit that. "if this happened to you, you'd most likely be utterly convinced the experience was wholly real"

Plus, unlike those in the USA who sadly, seemingly are only fed folk tales from obscure tiny Middle Eastern tribes, I grew up with a rich tradition of folk tales from my own Islands Tales which commonly involve humans being abducted and taken "Under the hill", "The Faerie Realm" where one day passes and on returning home, months or even years have passed by. However, in the European tradition humans are not always the "good guys" and often it is human stubbornness, dogma and stupidity that leads to a sad ending to the fables.

As such I can the parallels , I can see how, in modern times we merely update those experiences to fit the model we know best. The Faeries become the Aliens etc etc. That's fine and I am sure that many an experience can be explained by these archetypes surfacing from the subconscious of a society almost wholly divorced from its' natural surroundings...............

Yet..... there, nagging away are sizeable rump of cases that don't fit those models. Cases where "seemingly solid objects" that also appear of radar are sighted. Cases where these "craft" look absolutely real, in any sense of the word as we understand it... cases where they leave traces and there is some genuine interaction with humans that,sometimes , lead to those humans suffering side effects for months and even years afterwards.

Forget all the whibble about daemons, if this intelligence can manipulate matter on a quantum level and make "projections" seem and act as a "real object" then they could walk right in and take over this world tomorrow and there wouldn't be a damned thing we could do about it, even if we were actually aware it had happened. That, they as far as we actually are aware, haven't can only mean they don't want to or feel the need to. So why do they make themselves known to us?

Take Rendlesham.... By moving a shed load of nuclear warheads right on top of one of their "special places", was that merely an act of human ignorance or was it a convenient location to achieve two ends. Stock pile warheads illegally undetected and at the same time see if we force their hand to make an appearance and then try and catalogue it , study it and use their "technology" for our own ends? Was there, behind the sabre rattling of moving those warheads there another agenda driven by our black op friends?
Maybe, the intelligence watched waited and then royally turned the tables on the black ops guys sending them home, tails between their legs having been consummately outflanked and out scammed with a genie that was, not just out of the bottle rather, sky-writing in huge letters.... "Oi monkeys, weird or what?"
Maybe at times, the Faeries do have a penchant for heavy grade footwear when we go prodding their special places?

Now before you say... "Errr what?.... is this dude for real?..... the facts are this. Societies around the world have cultural precedents for this explanation having some legs to it and that includes all the aboriginal cultures of Northern Europe.

Rendlesham has it all. Witnesses who saw a "nuts and bolts craft and touched it". Physical traces left on the ground and damage to trees. Two witnesses standing virtually next to each other who had almost totally different perspectives on what happened. One witness no-one remembers even being there. Witnesses who have had their world view changed and remember seemingly inexplicable mathematical figures. A base secretly stocked full of nuclear warheads which would almost certainly have had a commensurate black ops "guard" keeping an eye on what was going on in and around the base.

reply to post by FireMoon

Brudda, what a brilliant expo that was^^^. One I will read again. And again. Thank you.

reply to post by FireMoon

Take Rendlesham.... By moving a shed load of nuclear warheads right on top of one of their "special places", was that merely an act of human ignorance or was it a convenient location to achieve two ends. Stock pile warheads illegally undetected and at the same time see if we force their hand to make an appearance and then try and catalogue it , study it and use their "technology" for our own ends? Was there, behind the sabre rattling of moving those warheads there another agenda driven by our black op friends?

This is quite brilliant, really.
An angle I have never even considered. Thanks for the extremely well written post!

However, it begs the question being: If true, just HOW MUCH do our Governments know about their activities?? I mean, it is no secret that we tend to put military bases right atop all of these "special places". If we can provoke actions such as Rendlesham what does that say about our own intelligence as it relates to theirs?


Again, great post.

reply to post by FireMoon


Thanks for an informative meaty narrative.

Perhaps you'd be willing to summarize your gestalt conclusions from all that . . . at this point.

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I am confused on one little bit here if you could clear it up for me that would be great.

Its not 'demons' but rather it is 'faeries'?

Thanks

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by FireMoon

 

Thanks for an informative meaty narrative.

Perhaps you'd be willing to summarize your gestalt conclusions from all that . . . at this point.

Maybe it's not fair to ask FireMoon to summarize. I just fasten my seatbelt and enjoy the ride!!
Even when we're on opposite sides of the fence, I find that he knows alot about his side of said fence. He's been around this field a little more than he might care to share freely for not wanting to sound a braggart.

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I think any determination would be a moot point...

...and therein lies my issue with taking the religious approach to this issue. You actually create more questions than answers when you do this.
Instead, I just like to say "they may be the "Gods"", in quotes.

After all, it is we that assign that terminology. They may very well laugh at the notion and the result is the same.

I agree that there are definitely MANY more possibilities as to the explanations of UFO's and what they are, besides extraterrestrials.

However, demons? No.. I think that that's nonsense.. Just because UFO sightings have commonalities with "old accounts/mythology regarding demons, etc" doesn't make such a thing plausible. I would consider it to be merely a lack of comprehension to what they were seeing back in older times and inability to describe it as we do now, thus using the aspects of their religion to explain what they were seeing and so on..

Also, I have never heard of there being similarities between modern day UFO reports/sightings and demonic possession. I can't think of how there would be similarities between the two, in anyway, as possession involves one becoming taken over by a nonliving and or nonhuman entity and the closest thing involving UFO phenomenon that I know of which relates even the slightest to that is supposed abductions.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
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No, the problem is that despite being given the data some people will say "there is no data" because they can't accept the objective fact that they've been proven wrong.

Evidently taking up a collection for replacement mirrors for the shattered ones would not likely help.

Many of us likely feel that we've offered substantive issues, points and even evidence . . . all totally ignored.

Some folks seem immune or inoculated against or willfully blind about the looming evils involved in the Ufology realm.

Time will certainly tell.

Unlike most of these folks who are offering forward what they feel is legitimate evidence, skeptics require evidence that doesn't necessarily need to be peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal, but must at least stand up to the scrutiny of scientific method. I'm well aware my mind can play some pretty vivid tricks on me, and I can't believe everything I think I heard or saw. That's the difference, Bo.

reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli


My research and convictions are as follows. I certainly realize that mileage may vary.

Many of the best experts I know of . . . including Dr Jacques Vallee

are suggesting that there are entities

maybe we could call them X Entities

behind ALL such troublesome phenomena. The labels are not as important as the character, nature of the X Entities.

Many scholars, researchers and observers believe quite reasonably

that BECAUSE OF THEIR BEHAVIOR

they can only be characterized as evil X Entities.

Dr Vallee is convinced that they are evil entities from an evil spiritual dimension--whatever the label.

The best high level panel of scholars that Guy Malone assembled concluded that they are fallen angels.

Demons are considered to be fallen angels who lost the mortal bodies in Noah's flood--leaving their eternal spirits to become "demons." Those bodies they had once and for all chosen to enable to copulate with human women--which they had observed with great lustfulness. God did not allow them to switch back and forth from "supernatural" bodies to mortal bodies via which they could copulate with women.

Given the 1/3 of the angels that chose to align with satan--far from all of them lost their bodies in Noah's flood. Plenty are still running around loose . . . now in league with the globalists . . . literally the literal satan worshiping globalists energetically setting up the tyrannical global government and one world religion to force the world's population into worship of the literal satan as the world leader. It is his passionate goal as revenge for getting kicked out of Heaven.

And, it was his goal of supplanting God to be worshiped as God that got him kicked out to begin with. Soooooo for 3.5-7 years, he will achieve his long sought goal that he has worked for millennia toward. And the stupid humans supporting him will eventually be trashed for their ignorant choices related thereto. And their dark lord will laugh at their misery.

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I understand your perspective.

However, y'all never have any meaningful functional reply to the following. Perhaps you will be different.

Pretend . . .

That you are on Mars . . . the leader of the first human Mars colony.

and

That there are very mysterious goings on which do not fit any of even the categories used to observe, describe, interpret, manage, . . . life and reality theretofore.

Some of the goings on are humorous and evidently benign.

Some of the goings on seem to involve . . . for lack of a better word . . . weather phenomena though they are clearly NOT really weather.

Some of the goings on seem to involve a mysterious kind of flora though NOT flora in any conventional terms.

Some of the goings on seem to involve other . . . entities . . . that don't fit the term "animal" nor "human" nor maybe even "spirit."

Your best scientists have collected as much data as possible on all such goings on and all such factors. And there are hints of patterns here and there. There tend to be some consistent SEQUENTIAL sorts of events with some of the factors.

And, in some CONTEXTS, SOME of the factors seem to be more deadly than in other contexts.

But nothing is conclusive. And the factors simply

DO NOT LEND THEMSELVES TO SCIENTIFIC METHOD EXAMINATION.

They are too slippery; too complex; too transitory; etc. etc. NONE of them will voluntarily nor are any remotely possible to manipulate into a laboratory.

And whenever scientific instruments and cameras are set up . . . said equipment seems to mysteriously malfunction or produce mysterious or inconclusive data.

However, it is clear that the goings on with some of the key and most dramatic factors have been intensifying the last 6 months. You have lost 10% of your 500 person colony in very deadly and frightful events. Some even appear to have been deliberately tortured before death. And events seem to be escalating toward probably more deaths.

[color=6699FF]will you DOGGEDLY AND STUBBORNLY WAIT until you have conclusive "SCIENTIFIC PROOF" about what is going on with a full "SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION" before you form some hypotheses and DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN to prevent further loss of life?

Or would you use a more phenomenological approach to try and get a functional handle on the realities and try thereby to limit further loss of life?

reply to post by TheIceQueen


Scientist Dr Jacques Vallee studied the problem most professionally for 10 years. He vigorously disagrees with you.

Have YOU studied the problem to such a depth [color=6699FF]with his high level connections for 10 years before forming your conclusions?

Guy Malone assembled a brilliant panel of high level scholars in ancient languages, archeology, ancient documents and a variety of other disciplines to try and ferret out what the critters are and what they are up to.

www.alienresistance.org...

THEIR more or less consensus disagreed with you in the sense that they called them fallen angels--not demons--but fallen angels.

Even some government types have asserted that some of the greys ARE DEMONS housed in bioengineered bodies that allow them to interact with our 3D environment.

Given all that scholarship and evidence,

I find your seemingly greatly biased personal opinion[/] to be very unconvincing and weak by comparison.

I hope you aren't betting your life on your opinions. . . . except that . . . actually . . . in a very real sense, you are.


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edit on 7/7/2013 by BO XIAN because: addition

Originally posted by BO XIAN

Demons are considered to be fallen angels who lost the mortal bodies in Noah's flood--leaving their eternal spirits to become "demons." Those bodies they had once and for all chosen to enable to copulate with human women--which they had observed with great lustfulness. God did not allow them to switch back and forth from "supernatural" bodies to mortal bodies via which they could copulate with women.

What's your source on the Noah's flood angle? I don't think there is even a scriptural basis for that but I'm certainly open to correction. However, unlike the rest of what we're discussing here there is irrefutable scientific evidence that Noah's flood did not happen as described. I'd say that any definition of "demons" that incorporates that tale falls firmly in the category of folklore.

reply to post by BO XIAN


Every heard the term psychosomatic?

The mind attacking the body, basically. Injuries and physical ailments brought on by psychological process.

Mentally ill people commonly believe evil forces are behind injuries and harm they themselves have inadvertently inflicted upon themselves.

Just because someone claims to have injuries caused by demons does not mean it was caused by demons. Especially since the existence of demons is purely a subjective thing with no known basis in objective reality.

Originally posted by JayinAR


However, it begs the question being: If true, just HOW MUCH do our Governments know about their activities?? I mean, it is no secret that we tend to put military bases right atop all of these "special places". If we can provoke actions such as Rendlesham what does that say about our own intelligence as it relates to theirs?

I think our governments know alot more about the UFO/paranormal connection than we give them credit for. I also think there are some members on this thread, know about what the governments knows but for some reason feel the need to "keep us in the dark". The military has research facilities dedicated to exploring "high strangeness" but the information the military gleans isn't for the consumption of us ordinary folk.

I also think that private investigation into ufo/paranormal realms is discredited and discouraged by tptb, either thru intimidation or labels of wacko nut bars.