Why being Gay IS a Natural thing

reply to post by iLoGiCViZiOnS


I've heard of Sodom and Gomorrah... But I haven't seen a shred of evidence that they were destroyed by a god for sinful living...

Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Oh give me a break with the fairy tales. If we still went by what the bible says, then alot of people would be put to death over stupid things. If, by chance that everything in the bible is real, then i would gladly go to hell, rather than worship a primitive, backward, un caring, aragont god. You think its just a coinsidence that God sounds like a primitive human? No, its bcause primitive humans wrote the bible.

Ever hear of Sodom and Gomorrah? A whole city put to death over these choices. Say what you want about YOUR creator but everybody gets a CHOICE.

I have challenged everything in the Bible and found that he didn't say not to do something JUST BECAUS,E he said not to do them because he knew the harm in doing them.

I do believe religion has been corrupted as he knew also that it would be, but if your paying attention at all to yourself and your own choices you will see they don't just effect you.

Then why, why oh why if you believe this precious bible of yours do you then CUT YOUR HAIR which is explicitly forbidden, as is wearing garments made of more than one fabric, as is planting a field with more than one crop. God also says that a woman who has committed adultery should be stoned to death. Why aren't you championing THESE causes too? Do you cut your hair? If so - WHY???? What kind of clothes do you wear - are they made of more than one garment? If so WHY - your bible says not to! So why - none of you have ever been able to answer that question no matter how many times I pose it. And I can see why - because the answer is "That doesn't matter, only homosexuality matters, so I'm hypocritical and am cherry picking what I want to follow from the bible," which only means you have absolutely no right to use it in your weak arguments.

reply to post by 001ggg100


It is my belief that the kind of proof you seek you will have before you die, we all will!

Originally posted by memedoug
I'm gay, so what? Stop making it an issue and pass the laws already

I find it funny that I have not been replied to or quoted at all

Originally posted by memedoug

Originally posted by memedoug
I'm gay, so what? Stop making it an issue and pass the laws already

I find it funny that I have not been replied to or quoted at all

Just for you doll,


to further, unnatural, or natural, in the end what does it matter and how does it affect your life? we are Human

Originally posted by Darth_Prime

Originally posted by memedoug

Originally posted by memedoug
I'm gay, so what? Stop making it an issue and pass the laws already

I find it funny that I have not been replied to or quoted at all

Just for you doll,


to further, unnatural, or natural, in the end what does it matter and how does it affect your life? we are Human

It just annoys me how some people can be so narrow minded...

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by knightrider078

 

Originally posted by knightrider078
Man + Woman = Baby that is Natural end of story.

You make it sound like only sex that produces a baby is natural.

I guess infertile or old people sex is unnatural even if it is a man and a woman by your logic.

If a couple needs help from Science to have a baby then its NOT Natural

reply to post by knightrider078


Neither is the computer you just used to say that to us!

"unnatural" is perfectly fine when it suits YOUR needs eh?

I hope you never have a wife that requires a C section. Hospitals tend to employ sciency stuff.

Originally posted by knightrider078

Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by knightrider078

 

Originally posted by knightrider078
Man + Woman = Baby that is Natural end of story.

You make it sound like only sex that produces a baby is natural.

I guess infertile or old people sex is unnatural even if it is a man and a woman by your logic.

If a couple needs help from Science to have a baby then its NOT Natural

and when straight couples have to utilize surrogates and artificial insemination it's not 'Natural' so why not condemn them?

reply to post by Djayed



I do not care that you are gay. No offense, but it appears to me that the true reason for this thread is because you cannot get the "benefits" of marriage. Here is my question to you, do you think that marriage should be limited to 2 people?

reply to post by 001ggg100


And you need evidence, right? _javascript:icon('')

reply to post by Fraudfinder


Well us rational thinking people do indeed require evidence for extraordinary claims. You laughing at the prospect is quite telling

Originally posted by thebtheb

Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS

Originally posted by Jay-morris

Oh give me a break with the fairy tales. If we still went by what the bible says, then alot of people would be put to death over stupid things. If, by chance that everything in the bible is real, then i would gladly go to hell, rather than worship a primitive, backward, un caring, aragont god. You think its just a coinsidence that God sounds like a primitive human? No, its bcause primitive humans wrote the bible.

Ever hear of Sodom and Gomorrah? A whole city put to death over these choices. Say what you want about YOUR creator but everybody gets a CHOICE.

I have challenged everything in the Bible and found that he didn't say not to do something JUST BECAUS,E he said not to do them because he knew the harm in doing them.

I do believe religion has been corrupted as he knew also that it would be, but if your paying attention at all to yourself and your own choices you will see they don't just effect you.

Then why, why oh why if you believe this precious bible of yours do you then CUT YOUR HAIR which is explicitly forbidden, as is wearing garments made of more than one fabric, as is planting a field with more than one crop. God also says that a woman who has committed adultery should be stoned to death. Why aren't you championing THESE causes too? Do you cut your hair? If so - WHY???? What kind of clothes do you wear - are they made of more than one garment? If so WHY - your bible says not to! So why - none of you have ever been able to answer that question no matter how many times I pose it. And I can see why - because the answer is "That doesn't matter, only homosexuality matters, so I'm hypocritical and am cherry picking what I want to follow from the bible," which only means you have absolutely no right to use it in your weak arguments.

Not everyone is destine to heaven; many or MOST will go to hell. Twisting and turning the scriptures to misdirect your ideas is often done and you have done a good job of that. It is a shame so many people can quote a bible sentence or two and then have no idea what they speak of.

I advise you to research your morals to find out who you are and to whom you belong ......heaven or hell? it is your choice, free will, your decision,......your fate.

Comparing gay people to animals?

I've also seen little dogs try to breed with huge dogs, cars etc. I even seen a turtle mate a shoe on youtube.

I think corrections are needed before I touch this debate.

Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Fraudfinder

 

Well us rational thinking people do indeed require evidence for extraordinary claims. You laughing at the prospect is quite telling

Logic and being rational - what does that do for you? Can your logic feed a starving child or save the world?

There is plenty of evidence on this planet but not enough for you, right?

Originally posted by SPECULUM
In California legislators wants to allow Pedophilia as a natural orientation, and i suppose that's ok too???

Would Homosexuals be ok with that as well?




I see the entire homosexual issue is nothing more than justification of moral guilt

Don't be an idiot...this is about two consenting adults not one molester and a child who says no.

reply to post by Fraudfinder

Logic and being rational - what does that do for you? Can your logic feed a starving child or save the world?

Can logic or rationality feed a child?

What that does for the world is basically everything you enjoy on a daily basis.

Sorry but this is ridiculous.

And yes you're right. All the evidence that's available isn't enough.

This is not a religious thread. Then again maybe it is since the majority of the opposition is religiously based.

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reply to post by Dark Helmet


Well that was necessary.

I realize many of you think LGBT are abominations to Mankind, but lets at least try and keep it civil.

reply to post by Djayed


Personally I could care less who people want to have sex with has long as its legal. But this non-sense that I have to except its natural is ridiculous. The only reason homosexuality is still not classified has a mental disorder is because of lobbyists. In the early 70's in the DSM, it was classified has a mental disorder, then taken out due to political pressure, not science.

Biologically homosexuality can not genetically exist, since they can not reproduce it would have been bred out in our earlier ancestors. Those not relying on social norms or some sort of acceptable behavioral construct. There is nothing biologically advantageous about it. The only way you can argue that there is some biological relevance is that it is a defect. But if that was the case we would know what gene, and this discussion would not be relevant.

You also have the problem with other sexual behavior disorders, not those of the good type, pedophilia, rapists, sexual sadism. If homosexuality is something you are "born with", why are these sexual behaviors excluded and treated differently, legality aside of course. You can not logically say you have no control over your sexual behavior then say that somehow people with these other disorders do. Why would someone "choose" to be a pedophile?

As someone involved in science, it annoys me when i am told to accept things that are not true, or have zero evidence to back it up. It is unscientific to accept something based on political correctness. Sometimes reality is not what we always want to hear.