Inevitable Ego Death

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by Akragon

 

I know you were tired but I think it would've helped the reader first off if you defined the ego( "I" CONCEPT) in the thread? (Everyone seems to not understand they have the self mixed in with an idea and so they think its death of the self and are reacting as though you are talking about their death.)

edit on 29-6-2013 by BDBinc because: (no reason given)

I think anyone here can easily look up the definition of ego... I don't think its necessary to define it...

But in the sense im using it here... it would be one's sense of self importance...

Originally posted by Akragon


I think anyone here can easily look up the definition of ego... I don't think its necessary to define it...

But in the sense im using it here... it would be one's sense of self importance...

I thought of the ego as the" I concept" what I think I am i.e If I thought I was a body mind then it would be all the thoughts that come from that that bodymind.
Anyhow it was probably just me that misunderstood that when you were referring to the ego it was to the "sense of self importance".

reply to post by Akragon

Originally posted by Akragon
Many people in this age seem to worry about this idea of "ego death" as if its something that must happen immediately...

Im not saying this is a bad thing...but one must realise there will be a point in most peoples lives where their ego... and everything they believe they are will fade away....

Experiences may come and go, and things may come and go, but this spirit/personality remains the same (expect with a few changes from learning here and there).

Originally posted by Akragon
We come here with nothing... and leave the same way...

So you should not enjoy your self and get things just because at some point you will die? By the way, just because we come and leave this world with nothing, that doesn't mean that there is nothing on the other side.

For all we know, the "other-side" could be our home where we have all our "stuff" and this human life was a game of "survival".

OK. Please excuse the doctoring of you original post
Many people in this age seem to worry about the death" of your sense of self importance" as if its something that must happen immediately...
Im not saying this(dying to your sense of self importance) is a bad thing...but one must realise there will be a point in most peoples lives where their sense of self importance.. and everything they believe they are will fade away...


Did I get your meaning of" sense of self importance" (as the ego) sensical?
I know people who have no sense of self importance, they are depressed, but they still have an ego that tells them that they are not important.

The one that convinces you to feel self-important, and the one that convinces you that you are not important, is the Ego. Another word for Ego, is ignorance or Mind. It's the artificially intelligent version of ourselves, dumbed down to self-deceiving levels.
The only way to kill it, is to ignore it. And even then, it can resurrect itself anytime you believe it to be worthy of attention. To treat it as friend or foe is borderline schizophrenic because the Ego is just an imagined version of who you think you are and what everything else is. It's the invisible little friend or enemy you're talking to in your head, or fighting with. Or boogeyman. When engaging the illusion called Ego, the nut ward is not too far away from this type of karma.

Originally posted by Visitor2012

visitor1012The one that convinces you to feel self-important, and the one that convinces you that you are not important, is the Ego. Another word for Ego, is ignorance or Mind. It's the artificially intelligent version of ourselves, dumbed down to self-deceiving levels.
The only way to kill it, is to ignore it. And even then, it can resurrect itself anytime you believe it to be worthy of attention. To treat it as friend or foe is borderline schizophrenic because the Ego is just an imagined version of who you think you are and what everything else is. It's the invisible little friend or enemy you're talking to in your head, or fighting with. Or boogeyman. When engaging the illusion called Ego, the nut ward is not too far away from this type of karma.

So, the Ego can be self gratifying, or can also be the source of the destruction of 'self image''. If its artificial that conotes "FICTIONAL". How does it become a dumbed down version of ourselves or the deciever? Why would one want to 'kill' ones own ego, anothers perhaps; as this makes no sense. You are saying the Ego is self sabotaging and needs to be eliminated. Where are our higher selves while this "war within oneself dialog" is playing out? Are you saying the Ego: The 'Iam' factor of myself as a self realized person separate from others in thinking, feeling and through self will (that thought needs to be ignored?), and if so how will I distinquish myself from others, or am I supposed to; as everyone else will have nuetralized their egos, I would keep mine in order to know the difference and possibly have an advantage.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by Visitor2012

visitor1012The one that convinces you to feel self-important, and the one that convinces you that you are not important, is the Ego. Another word for Ego, is ignorance or Mind. It's the artificially intelligent version of ourselves, dumbed down to self-deceiving levels.
The only way to kill it, is to ignore it. And even then, it can resurrect itself anytime you believe it to be worthy of attention. To treat it as friend or foe is borderline schizophrenic because the Ego is just an imagined version of who you think you are and what everything else is. It's the invisible little friend or enemy you're talking to in your head, or fighting with. Or boogeyman. When engaging the illusion called Ego, the nut ward is not too far away from this type of karma.

So, the Ego can be self gratifying, or can also be the source of the destruction of 'self image''. If its artificial that conotes "FICTIONAL". How does it become a dumbed down version of ourselves or the deciever? Why would one want to 'kill' ones own ego, anothers perhaps; as this makes no sense. You are saying the Ego is self sabotaging and needs to be eliminated. Where are our higher selves while this "war within oneself dialog" is playing out? Are you saying the Ego: The 'Iam' factor of myself as a self realized person separate from others in thinking, feeling and through self will (that thought needs to be ignored?), and if so how will I distinquish myself from others, or am I supposed to; as everyone else will have nuetralized their egos, I would keep mine in order to know the difference and possibly have an advantage.

edit on 29-6-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)

I'm saying the Ego is an illusion. I didn't say it should be eliminated, I didn't say it should be coddled, I'm saying it does not exist and never did. It's a pure psychological phenomenon, with no existence in reality. Whatever a person thinks they are or this is, has no bases on reality whatsoever. I'm not trying to convince you of this.

Death is one of the most important aspects of life!

Originally posted by arpgme

Originally posted by Akragon
We come here with nothing... and leave the same way...

So you should not enjoy your self and get things just because at some point you will die? By the way, just because we come and leave this world with nothing, that doesn't mean that there is nothing on the other side.

For all we know, the "other-side" could be our home where we have all our "stuff" and this human life was a game of "survival".

You don't 'come here' with nothing - you never 'come' or 'go' because you are nothing. Nothing has always been and will always be present. And the present never comes or goes - it is constant.
The present consists of non existence appearing to exist. This moment (life in it's entirety) is all there will ever be. What you are never goes anywhere ever - the appearing scene just looks different constantly.

Define ego? We don't come here with nothing or leave with nothing. There is a very gnostic and beautiful, out in the open, passage about this school, in the bible, Matthew 13. Its been hijacked, to be authoritative, however.

1. The weeds, and such: we are programmed into the material world and meanness, from cradle to grave, including many overworked to not be able to sit down and think straight, or feel through heart, sense, reach into the currents...

This isn't being said because most people are doing this. Its a big, nudge nudge, hint hint, read between the lines....


2. He mentions that we have talents (these we came in with and we were ourselves, always, with Love and a desire to help, in many cases. And the best thing a person can do is use their talents to help others, and to awaken others, to intercede for them, and to contribute: wholesome, equality, sharing, beauty, ethics and integrity, healing, awakening, whatever they are, to grow our abillites and communication skills.

3. And lastly, relating to the deprogramming and even the talents and our misuse of time, or for profit not for win/win, our well being and to help, or whatever inspiration comes from Spirit.

But, we are told that we cannot see or hear, and yet if we turn to God, we will be healed.

We ARE. We are all Infinite parts of Infinity, wherein that Infinite Consciousness is God, however, as fractals, infinite variety, person, like cells in the body, that nontheless contain the whole and are infinite in themselves in no time.

We don't come in as a blank state and we don't leave that way either, and we are in Oneness, yet always ourselves.

reply to post by Unity_99


Perhaps I should have defined several things.. including the intention of the thread instead of just rambling...

We enter this world with nothing... meaning what we were previously is hidden... which is only to be realised during ones life if certain parameters are met

We leave with nothing was directed more towards the real topic of the thread... being the people I work with...

Many don't know who they are, where they've been... most couldn't tell you their name if they wanted to...

I think I've confused mostly everyone that has replied to this thread...

My bad... One would have to read my replies which were posted later in the thread from work whilst pondering the lives of the people I tend to on a daily basis to understand where im coming from here

Again... I was just rambling on... I needed an outlet for my thoughts

Im sorry guys/gals

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Unity_99

 

We enter this world with nothing... meaning what we were previously is hidden... which is only to be realised during ones life if certain parameters are met

What you are now is hidden. What you are never makes an appearance - what you are sees the appearance but never appears.
Can you find what is seeing?
The seen is seen but what is seeing is hidden.
The truth is hiding in plain sight - in the act of seeing.

ego
noun ˈē-(ˌ)gō also ˈe-
plural egos
Definition of EGO
1
: the self especially as contrasted with another self or the world
2
a : egotism 2
b : self-esteem 1
3
: the one of the three divisions of the psyche in psychoanalytic theory that serves as the organized conscious mediator between the person and reality especially by functioning both in the perception of and adaptation to reality — compare id, superego

So! Given the above definition of the ego, which was compiled by the experts and professionals associated with and employed by Merriam-Webster, does any of this mind-numbing rhetorical make any sense?

I don't think so. It's a simple matter:

In the case of definition 1, the lack of ego is the lack of self-recognition. You no longer exist from your own point of view, which is an all-around bad thing.

In the case of definition 2, your animal instincts and your higher functioning conscience will conflict to the degree that you are psychologically hindered and unable to interact smoothly with the world around you.

All in all, according to the professional definition of ego, the DEATH of ego would be a bad thing. One crucial cog would go missing, and the rest of the cogs would stutter, jam, and break. Hello, psych ward! The rest of what's being said in this thread is pure speculation of what it's like to spend more than five minutes interacting with society without any presence of ego. No survival instincts, no self awareness, no median to keep the peace between your instincts and your more socially acceptable side, and generally no desire to attend to yourself.

Sounds like hell. What's the point of being alive if there's no you to live?

Don't be sorry a thread on ego was needed.
If the topic is the people you work with dying I would like it if you can expand on the topic.

A very wise man once said when asked to define ego that the ego must define itself.
Yours is the sense of self importance.
What is more important finding out who you really are or thinking you must try to kill the ego .

"Unbroken' I-I' is the infinite ocean; the ego, "I" thought, remains only a bubble on it. "

See what I mean:
Afterinfinity's definition is the ego is self-recognition. Something that stops your animal instincts and your higher functioning conscience conflicting to the degree that you are psychologically hindered and unable to interact smoothly with the world around you.

We all have different meanings.
But the meanings are very interesting in themselves.
I would say as someone who has experienced no (self) recognition of being a mind body, no animal instincts and conscience conflicting that not having an ego is blissful and you do no harm as you are not separate and you are not conflicted .

I think being a slave to ego would be hell.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

The rest of what's being said in this thread is pure speculation of what it's like to spend more than five minutes interacting with society without any presence of ego. No survival instincts, no self awareness, no median to keep the peace between your instincts and your more socially acceptable side, and generally no desire to attend to yourself.

Sounds like hell. What's the point of being alive if there's no you to live?

I agree... It seems that many of my residents are literally in their own personal hell on earth... Which forces me to ponder the idea of Hell... Not in the Christian sense of the word, but the hell we might create for ourselves.

I've considered the possibility that this disease is a build of of Karma throughout ones life time...

Most of them are amazing people but once in a while you hear of or even see shades of who they were in their life at a younger age... and many times they actually were not as nice as they currently are...

Case in point... At one of the places I work, there is a former minister... Now one would think that a minister would be a peaceful person... but this guy has knocked out several nurses in the past few years! It usually takes at least three people to deal with him... most times hes very nice but if he doesn't want to do something or just doesn't like the look of someone... He will get extremely violent...

Since there are mostly women in my profession... everytime im on his floor I get to deal with him solo.... Only because the other workers know I was a boxer years ago... but I've been swung at many times. And though hes never hit me... hes came pretty close... and has injured lots of people...

Nothing one might expect from a retired minister... but this disease brings out the demons so to speak

Originally posted by BDBinc


See what I mean:
Afterinfinity's definition is the ego is self-recognition. Something that stops your animal instincts and your higher functioning conscience conflicting to the degree that you are psychologically hindered and unable to interact smoothly with the world around you.

We all have different meanings.
But the meanings are very interesting in themselves.
I would say as someone who has experienced no (self) recognition of being a mind body, no animal instincts and conscience conflicting that not having an ego is blissful and you do no harm as you are not separate and you are not conflicted .

I think being a slave to ego would be hell.

Consider what I might be like to not recognise yourself in the mirror... Not recognise pictures of your family and friends... to be completely alone in the world only because you don't recognise anything you once did...

Loss of the control of your bowels and bladder... The inability to feed yourself... or even eat in some cases... Food comes as puree in others... You're not allowed to leave the facility unless you're taking our by family which rarely visits due to either long distance or simply not careing enough to bother...

this is just the tip of the ice burg my friend... This is the easy side of this issue...

It gets far worse

reply to post by Akragon

I've considered the possibility that this disease is a build of of Karma throughout ones life time...

It's organic degeneration, plain and simple. I happen to be a prime candidate for organic dementia, due to Hypoxemia. If I go the way I've seen others go, I have a good chance of regressing to a violent state, since I had a very violent streak in me until about age 7 or 8.

Will that be karma then? What can I do to avoid it then?

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Akragon

I've considered the possibility that this disease is a build of of Karma throughout ones life time...

It's organic degeneration, plain and simple. I happen to be a prime candidate for organic dementia, due to Hypoxemia. If I go the way I've seen others go, I have a good chance of regressing to a violent state, since I had a very violent streak in me until about age 7 or 8.

Will that be karma then? What can I do to avoid it then?

Unfortunately my friend I do not know... Even MD's have no idea what causes it...

its not cause by age... and it is by no means part of the aging process...

honestly im not even sure a child of 7-8 can even accrue Karma... I can only assume that one must have a working knowledge of what is wrong and right before that can occur... that age is the border line of not knowing which is which... depending on what one is taught

reply to post by Akragon

honestly im not even sure a child of 7-8 can even accrue Karma...

With no apparent environmental cause, I was violent. Maybe I deserved it for some accumulated karma from a past life?

Seriously, I seem to have some legitimate reason to challenge the orthodox new age definitions of reincarnation and karma. I don't think they're correct.

Once dementia sets in, will I be "karma" free even if I break an assistant's wrist, or knock down another resident so that she breaks her hip? These are things I've seen.