Inevitable Ego Death

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Having an idea about yourself, having an image of yourself is dividing yourself out from the whole. This moment is whole and somehow you paint yourself out of it by putting yourself in other times and other places (that don't exist) and believe you are separate. In that pretend dream world of separation you fight to survive. It is the game.

It isn't. It's called thinking, which is a part of human existence. No games here. How can people put themselves in times and places that don't exist? It's impossible. They can only think about it.

Of course now you will accuse me of preaching that there should be no thoughts - when all I have just asked you to do is imagine what could be known if there were no words to distract you from what is actually real.
Thought will tell you all about you but who is it actually talking about?

Words, speaking, and thinking happen in your now. Imagining if there were no words is imagining another one of your illusions. Your ideal is just that, an ideal, not truth.

I use the term "preach" because you are telling people how to think. You want them to think like you.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
How can people put themselves in times and places that don't exist? It's impossible. They can only think about it.

Pretending in time - projecting yourself into future or reliving past is what gets people lost in delusion. Lost in thought, lost in time. Time is an idea that arises and it implies the end of you - the belief in a beginning and end of you causes fear. Then there is fighting, need and greed. Ego.

I use the term "preach" because you are telling people how to think. You want them to think like you.

I invite investigation - I do not tell anyone how to think - no one is thinking so why would I? Thinking happens.

This present scene is all there is and thoughts and projections in time deny this moment. If one worships other (denies what is) then one will suffer. Worshipping other, desiring what is not, pretending on an illusionary stage called tomorrow (past/future/somewhere else) is the division.
Come to this moment and live in the light not in the darkness of mind.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

The fear of non existence is what drives the activity of seeking to fill that gapping hole. That gapping hole is non existence but keep running away from what you are.

Well, I do prefer not to die right now.

You think you can die?? That is because you don't know what it is that you are. Not knowing what you are is the cause of the fear.

Take every piece of content away from you - beliefs, ideas, words, thoughts, sensations and what is left?

Every so often, I come to a point where I wonder who I am. What part is the mind molded from outside influence, what part is the spirit that came down to live in it? I'd like to think that ego death could release me from this, but it's hard to be sure. Inevitable, you say? I hope!
At the same time, I'm not yet willing to give up the cacophony that I live in inside my mind. Who knows why... It's not exactly like my inner mind is a saint. I hate dealing with it, thinking that it's my true self and not just my ego.
Wow, so much to learn.

Originally posted by EllaMarina
Every so often, I come to a point where I wonder who I am. What part is the mind molded from outside influence, what part is the spirit that came down to live in it? I'd like to think that ego death could release me from this, but it's hard to be sure. Inevitable, you say? I hope!
At the same time, I'm not yet willing to give up the cacophony that I live in inside my mind. Who knows why... It's not exactly like my inner mind is a saint. I hate dealing with it, thinking that it's my true self and not just my ego.
Wow, so much to learn.

The mind with it's thoughts and ideas is what appears. You are what sees all that appears - nothing can appear without your presence.
You are the one watching silently.

There is only ever the present appearance and the silent still watcher. The appearance just does it's own thing. Just watch the entertainment.
You know it is just a movie.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Come to this moment and live in the light not in the darkness of mind.

More dualism. More contradiction. Ego. Not even you can escape it. Accept yourself.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Take every piece of content away from you - beliefs, ideas, words, thoughts, sensations and what is left?

Nothing. Not even me. Just a sack of meat. Like I said before. Everything you just described is me.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Take every piece of content away from you - beliefs, ideas, words, thoughts, sensations and what is left?

Nothing. Not even me. Just a sack of meat. Like I said before. Everything you just described is me.

You are nothing - not even a sack of meat.
And yet you believe you can describe you?

reply to post by Itisnowagain

You are nothing - not even a sack of meat.
And yet you believe you can describe you?

Did you really just say that to me? It's hard to believe such a phrase can be meant as anything other than an insult. Is it an insult? I can't tell.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

You are nothing - not even a sack of meat.
And yet you believe you can describe you?

Did you really just say that to me? It's hard to believe such a phrase can be meant as anything other than an insult. Is it an insult? I can't tell.

The reply is an answer to your assertion

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Take every piece of content away from you - beliefs, ideas, words, thoughts, sensations and what is left?

Nothing. Not even me. Just a sack of meat. Like I said before. Everything you just described is me.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


But I still have my thoughts, my beliefs, my senses, my memories. How am I just a sack of meat?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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How am I just a sack of meat?

I did not say you were a sack of meat.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
You are nothing - not even a sack of meat.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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But I still have my thoughts, my beliefs, my senses, my memories.

Thoughts appear and disappear - when they appear you think they are yours - they are not your thoughts - they are thoughts arising.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Exactly! I am nothing! That's what you said. How am I nothing? Who are you to tell me what I am? You do not define me.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
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Exactly! I am nothing! That's what you said. How am I nothing? Who are you to tell me what I am? You do not define me.

Nothing is not defined. Nothing has no border or boundary - it cannot be defined. No line divides nothing.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Nothing is not defined. Nothing has no border or boundary - it cannot be defined. No line divides nothing.

Oh, but I can be defined. I can be described, measured, and traced. I am not nothing. I am very much something. And only I get to decide what that something is. Me, myself, and I - the ego, in other words. ME. Everyone else (including you) just gets to observe.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Nothing is not defined. Nothing has no border or boundary - it cannot be defined. No line divides nothing.

Oh, but I can be defined. I can be described, measured, and traced. I am not nothing. I am very much something. And only I get to decide what that something is. Me, myself, and I - the ego, in other words. ME. Everyone else (including you) just gets to observe.

Ok if you say so.

Originally posted by Tranceopticalinclined
I somehow highly doubt that the way I act right now, will ever fade. It's who I am, when I pass on from this life, you damn well better believe I'm going to be my sarcastic self even in another form of being. Why? Because it's who I am, who I am will never change unless I change it. My energy vibrates this way, and unless I will it doesn't vibrate any other way, it's what makes us special, not just humans, but all life everywhere.

of course this is my opinion, one I'll never let go of, even when I die, since I'm even more powerful when I'm not in this physical body, you all are, you're not limited then.

Think of this world as a playpen for experiences, you couldn't get out even if you wanted to unless of course you cheat.

Our ego is what makes us different from one another, it's what drives us, as well as guides us, it's who we are and without it you might as well be a rock or a smartphone.

Sarcasm is a form of human communication that from my experiences in Astral is not needed, animals are not sarcastic, it is just a bi-product of our particular adaption to the environment. I would even say dance, art and other forms of human culture are not part of the next life, but perhaps they are influenced by that connection. Ego again is a human construct in the physical world, when you are part of an absolute EGO becomes just a dream.

reply to post by Akragon

I know you were tired but I think it would've helped the reader first off if you defined the ego( "I" CONCEPT) in the thread? (Everyone seems to not understand they have the self mixed in with an idea and so they think its death of the self and are reacting as though you are talking about their death.)