2 Apaches Kill a Platoon Of Taliban

Originally posted by GreatestOfAllTime
reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost

 

fact is these soldiers don't fire until fired upon in most situations, they aren't just going house to house killing people,

But they are still there in their country with weapons and taking control, of course they get fired upon.

They are there on orders, take it up with congress, in the meantime I would expect them to defend themselves and theirs as long as they are deployed there.

people are sick, this is disgusting , no hope anymore. ..
wish it was different, we are living in hell.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


well, then you should expect no less from the afghanis. they are defending their home land.

who cares what congress says, evil is still evil. were the gestapo ok because the nazi govt said they were?

like someone else said, your bias and deflection of responsibility is staggering.

reply to post by godWhisperer


Not sure what this has to do with the Nazis, neither side could be compared to the Nazis, who were war criminals committing genocide. These are military personel doing their jobs, they don't make the policies or choose where they go, they just go. Without these men and women you would most likely not be living in the freedom and luxury you do, so instead of criticizing them, you should try supporting them and voice your opposition where it counts, the ballot box or a picket line or something. Your bias and deflection of responsibility is staggering.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


so, no matter the act, as long as soldiers are following orders they are morally clean of the blood of innocent people or people who are merely defending their home land?

and to say that we can stoip this via our corrupt govt is juvenile, they won't even let us see the coffins of our dead coming home, do you think this public might be manipulated?

the responsibility in this case has to ultimately lie with the people who are pulling the trigger and murdering innocent people.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


it has to do with the nazis and the gestapo in that both the united states military and the gestapo were given the responsibility of doing indescribable evil. govt-sponsored evil is still evil.

reply to post by godWhisperer


You keep saying they are defending their homeland... we are not an invading military, we are there as peacekeepers actively seeking Taliban and insurgents, we have no desire to tAke their homeland or anything they have, if you simply live in Afghanistan we have no issue with you and certainly wouldn't kill you. If you are a radicalized Muslim extremist and come at our boys with guns and RPGs, expect to die. Yes I believe these soldiers here are morally clean. The Nazi comparison is ridiculous and not worth commenting further on.

Originally posted by TheCrimsonGhost
reply to post by godWhisperer

 

You keep saying they are defending their homeland... we are not an invading military, we are there as peacekeepers actively seeking Taliban and insurgents, we have no desire to tAke their homeland or anything they have, if you simply live in Afghanistan we have no issue with you and certainly wouldn't kill you. If you are a radicalized Muslim extremist and come at our boys with guns and RPGs, expect to die. Yes I believe these soldiers here are morally clean. The Nazi comparison is ridiculous and not worth commenting further on.

edit on 6/29/2013 by TheCrimsonGhost because: (no reason given)

Ive learned... that most posters here are anti military no matter the reason because they are tools of the "man" every war we have been in would had been denounced by them. They volunteer to be in the army to keep the government from drafting people to serve. WOuld they prefeer we go to mandatory service at 18? You know good and well that if we did not have volunteers 18th birthdays would be dreaded.

SO when you critisize a soldier for his choice of serving. Just imagine yourself in his place because without them you would be serving in the army or a fugitive from the law in canada.

Originally posted by intrptr
Swatting flies with sledge hammers. In their world, it's the lowest form of cowardice to attack someone from behind, at night.

Sort of like fighting in civilian clothes from civilian houses and planting IED's in the middle of the night.

If you fight without a military uniform how do you identify who an enemy combatant is. It makes it real hard to keep from killing innocent civilians.

They put their own civilians at risk by not wearing a military uniform.

Originally posted by Miracula

Originally posted by intrptr
Swatting flies with sledge hammers. In their world, it's the lowest form of cowardice to attack someone from behind, at night.

Sort of like fighting in civilian clothes from civilian houses and planting IED's in the middle of the night.

If you fight without a military uniform how do you identify who an enemy combatant is. It makes it real hard to keep from killing innocent civilians.

They put their own civilians at risk by not wearing a military uniform.

I believe it may also be a war crime to participate in military operations without wearing a uniform or some other sort of identifying insignia to differentiate combatants and civilians. I'm not 100% on that but I have heard it before.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost


Makes sense to me. I think military uniforms are part of the Geneva Conventions.

It's an act of cruelty to surrounding civilians that are in danger of not being readily identifiable as being separate.

Originally posted by TheCrimsonGhost

Originally posted by Miracula

Originally posted by intrptr
Swatting flies with sledge hammers. In their world, it's the lowest form of cowardice to attack someone from behind, at night.

Sort of like fighting in civilian clothes from civilian houses and planting IED's in the middle of the night.

If you fight without a military uniform how do you identify who an enemy combatant is. It makes it real hard to keep from killing innocent civilians.

They put their own civilians at risk by not wearing a military uniform.

I believe it may also be a war crime to participate in military operations without wearing a uniform or some other sort of identifying insignia to differentiate combatants and civilians. I'm not 100% on that but I have heard it before.

We are not fighting a country...we are fighting “terrorist”, or in other words…unlawful people, and that is an illegal action in itself much less not wearing a uniform.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Agreed. I just thought of that when I read his post and wanted to throw it in there. They

reply to post by Miracula

They put their own civilians at risk by not wearing a military uniform.

For real. We'll just ask them to come out in the open and fight like men then shall we? That was my point. We don't do that. We attack them at night while they are sleeping in their beds.

Let me ask you this. You have seen the "Collateral Damage" video, right? It showed how the American Military intentionally murdered news reporters for the other side, right? That the apache crews made this "attack" sound like a "battle" with armed combatants, instead of what it really was. They lied about what they were doing and why they were doing it.

In the beginning of this video the OP has presented we see armed men around a "village" of tents moving from the tents towards American ground elements that are in the area. How do you know they are not the men of that very village protecting their women and children from the Americans?

Of course we will never know because the Apaches show up and begin killing them. The tents appear in almost every shot as well as camp fires and domestic animals. The fighting moves all around the edge of the perimeter of that "town" (or whatever you call it). These are peoples homes, they were being attacked, they rose to the call to arms and they died on their feet facing the enemy.

A lot more than I can say for the people that slaughtered them.

Yes but has anyone considered the obvious, that these are regular citizens,most if not all have had family members murdered, branded " terrorists" just defending there homeland? turn it on it's head and you would act the same.
Credit to the brave solders who defended our freedom, liberty and democracy in the past but this has absolutely nothing to do with that, in fact the opposite is true,while we were busy "fighting terror" our OWN governments have been busy taking it away.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost

we are there as peacekeepers actively seeking Taliban and insurgents

Do you kill em with hugs when you find em?

What a load of bull.

You are not there on a peacekeeping mission.

Originally posted by GreatestOfAllTime
reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost

 

we are there as peacekeepers actively seeking Taliban and insurgents

Do you kill em with hugs when you find em?

What a load of bull.

You are not there on a peacekeeping mission.

They got the whole hugging thing down with the suicide vests...

If we truly wanted to kill we could, you would not believe the rules of engagement we have...they don't have any rules at all. I'm not defending going in there but we are talking about close to the most extreme violent/thinking group of people in the world.

reply to post by TheCrimsonGhost

Civilians over there are NOT being rounded up and sent to concentration camps to be gassed. Ergo the Nazi analogy is not a good one.

reply to post by Xtrozero


Congress

Originally posted by all2human
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

congress

edit on 29-6-2013 by all2human because: (no reason given)

You know this IS what America wants...We do vote the same asses over and over back into congress, we reelect presidents for a 2nd term that fails at everything in the first. WE WANT THIS, so we get it...