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I think it's substantiating his claim of breaking the law. Federal law requires that vote counting be open to the public.
Originally posted by FredT The article you posted does nothing to substantiate your claim of voter fraud in this case.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
I think it's substantiating his claim of breaking the law. Federal law requires that vote counting be open to the public.
County Prosecutor Rachel Hutzel said commissioners "were within their rights" to restrict building access.
This my freinds, is voter fraud cover, plain & simple.
It leaves me wondering if my vote even counted.
Election boards can't even begin to officially canvass the votes until Nov. 13, when the deadline for overseas votes passes.
Then election workers must audit every ballot in every precinct and recount all the votes to make sure things add up.
Then the counties certify their results, and Secretary of State Ken Blackwell certifies the state totals. Blackwell is expected to certify the results on Dec. 1.
Even if a candidate wanted a recount, it can't happen until after the certified totals are completed.
"People just need to be patient and calm down," White said.
"Let's count them first before we do a recount," White said. "There's a lot of misinformation out there."
Originally posted by Bout Time
......as it is now. As posted here, Blackwell is the lynchpin to the fraud suspicion. He, being Bush Campaign Co-Chairman in Ohio, petititoned and got something tremendously odd: a waiver of Federal Laws. The Ohio e-vote kiosks were unaffected by Federal oversight and certification specifically due to an effort that was his & his alone.
Please explain that to me?
Bush support should not cloud anyone's judgement in seeing the problems here. At the light side - incompetance that disenfranchised. On the dark side - fascist vote manipulation.
[edit on 9-11-2004 by Bout Time]
The Help America Vote Act requires "fail-safe voting" using provisional ballots. If your name is not on the voting list, you either can go to city or town hall to try to resolve the issue or you may cast a provisional ballot.
To cast a provisional ballot, you must complete an affirmation with your name, address, date of birth, and a statement that you are a registered voter in the jurisdiction and that you are eligible to vote. You also must show suitable identification. You then will receive a ballot and an envelope to put your ballot in after you make your choices.
January 1, 2004
Deadline for states to qualify for waiver of computerized statewide voter registration databases.
Last date for States applying for waiver of deadline for replacement of punchcard or lever voting machines using Section 102 payments.
States not participating in the grant programs shall certify to the EAC that the State has established a administrative complaint procedures (Section 402), or has submitted a compliance plan to the U.S. Attorney General.
Effective date for Section 302 provisional voting and voting information requirements.
States and jurisdictions required to comply with Section 303 requirements pertaining to computerized statewide voter registration lists (unless qualified for a waiver) and 1st time voters who register by mail.
EAC adopts voluntary guidance recommendations relating to Section 301 Voting Systems Standards requirements.
Effective date of new Section 706 UOCAVA amendments prohibiting states from refusing to accept registration and absentee ballot applications on grounds of early submission.
To establish a program to provide funds to States to replace punch card
voting systems, to establish the Election Assistance Commission to
assist in the administration of Federal elections and to otherwise
provide assistance with the administration of certain Federal election
laws and programs, to establish minimum election administration
standards for States and units of local government with responsibility
for the administration of Federal elections
(e) Special Rule for Initial Set of Guidelines.--Notwithstanding any
other provision of this part, the most recent set of voting system
standards adopted by the Federal Election Commission prior to the date
of the enactment of this Act shall be deemed to have been adopted by the
Commission as of the date of the enactment of this Act as the first set
of voluntary voting system guidelines adopted under this part.
Rubin, the political science professor at Hopkins who is one of the best-known critics of the machines - and who has been inundated with e-mails since the election, said theorists should let this one go.
"I don't think there is any evidence that the election was rigged," Rubin said. "What I think is that we're heading down a dangerous path with these machines where there's no way to disprove theories like that because there's no paper trail available. We're using a technology that's unverifiable.
"If you're using machines that can be rigged, then yes, it can happen," Rubin said. "But did it happen? I doubt it. The exit polls were still within the statistical norms of the results."
Originally posted by marg6043
You know I already had beaten myself into submision and the acceptance of 4 more years of Mr Bush please do not give me false hopes
And where is kerry while all this is happening it seems like he has dispeared from the face of the earth.
as mentioned by Phoenix
I think its "Nuff" said when the leading expert cited by partisan democrats says he doubts any fraud happened - all he says is it could happen but probably didn't when looking at the results.
According to the preliminary tally, which included all domestic absentee ballots, Sen. John F. Kerry lost Ohio by 136,483 votes, Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell said.
Attorneys for the Kerry campaign said Monday that they did not believe the outcome of the Ohio vote � which gave President Bush the electoral votes needed to win � could possibly change; they have discouraged speculation that voting irregularities caused Kerry's loss.
Voting machine failures did occur, and long lines in heavily Democratic precincts discouraged some potential voters. Still, a broad range of experts said that the final vote counts in Ohio and other states could not possibly change the outcome.
Nonetheless, the Ohio count is attracting scrutiny by groups who say the election was tainted and that voting equipment in Ohio, Florida, South Carolina and elsewhere was defective. On Friday, three congressional Democrats asked for a federal investigation.
Since the election, Internet sites and political blogs have buzzed with speculation that the vote was manipulated. "Evidence mounts that the vote may have been hacked," reads the title of one widely circulated Web offering.
There are a lot of conspiracy theory folks out there thinking that � with a machine problem here and a long-line problem there and the provisional ballots � the result is in doubt," said Edward J. Foley, a professor at Ohio State University's Moritz College of Law. "I have seen nothing to indicate that the result is in doubt.
If all provisional votes are deemed valid, Kerry would need 88% of them to overcome Bush's margin of victory in Ohio, assuming the remaining overseas absentee ballots were split evenly.
If 10% of the provisional ballots were rejected, Kerry would need to get 97.6% of those remaining to overcome Bush's lead.
......as it is now. As posted here, Blackwell is the lynchpin to the fraud suspicion. He, being Bush Campaign Co-Chairman in Ohio, petititoned and got something tremendously odd: a waiver of Federal Laws. The Ohio e-vote kiosks were unaffected by Federal oversight and certification specifically due to an effort that was his & his alone.
Originally posted by Phoenix
Hold on a minute
Its way to premature to make these claims anyway and just serves to stir people up.