Pelosi booed for saying NSA leaker Snowden violated the law!! BOOOOO!!!

She should just come out with it and say "We will continue to do as we please, and you may not like it, but you do have to live with it." ( Because they are only pretending to care about justifying their actions).

That way the American collective can stand there for a second, let it sink in, and then quickly disperse before we get tased for loitering.

At least it wouldn't be an insult to our intelligence, but it would be a realistic declaration of the stranglehold they have on our civil liberties.

Originally posted by Nucleardiver

Originally posted by WonderBoi
How and WHY these people are still in office; and not serving a lengthy prison sentence is MIND BOGGLING!

Lengthy prison sentence my a$$, I don't want to have to support them with my tax dollars I've done that long enough already. I'm a Clint Eastwood western fan myself and my favorite movie of his is "Hang 'em High".

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I would say let the politicians pay for their own incarceration.. After all they have made millions off of the backs of the tax paying people.

They should have the honor of paying for something themselves... Ironically enough it would the first time they have paid for anything on their own.

Originally posted by bbracken677

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
She's correct, he did violate the law.
That doesn't make his actions any less valiant or morally righteous.

Here is where I disagree. When the govt breaks the law of the land, violating it's citizen's constitutional rights, it is the OBLIGATION of anyone who can expose this to do so. This is not only morally right, but the right thing to do with regards to anyone who takes the oath to uphold the constitution.

Whatever laws that congress pass that violates the constitution are void and illegal unless a constitutional amendment is passed granting congress that authority. Whatever actions congress, the administration or the judicial branch take that is in violation of the constitution are illegal.

The man (Snowden) is a patriot. This is my opinion.

There is no doubt about that, it could become a constitutional matter as here,

'Article [IV]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

There is stuff elsewhere that deals with tyrannical government, although I don't want to go there, but certainly the above article is a protection against tyranny from any source.
I just love Pelosi's remark about balance given Snowden's revelations, there is no balance whatsoever, our man Haig is the same kind of dipstick.

Snowden sacrificed his freedom to expose the truth.

Our government makes everything they do a super secret and wants everything we do to be exposed at the touch of a key.

Cheers to all the rest of the Snowdens out there and let good triumph over evil.

reply to post by whyamIhere

What happened to a fair trial? Why are our leaders saying a man is guilty without trial? Pelosi is the one who should be on trial. I know how it works...Bring that guilty SOB in here and give him a fair trial before we hang him. This man has only been charged...

Exactly! The government wants to use him as an example of what happens if a government employee is a whistle blower. They want to make sure any government employee thinks twice before bringing any criminal activity to light. If this guy is brought to trial, it should be televised so the public can also make sure he is getting a fair trial. If this trial is done behind closed doors, his defense will be on deaf ears.

How can Pelosi even say this guy is guilty of treason when he hasn't even had a hearing yet? Last time I checked, you're innocent until proven guilty in this country. They already have declared this guy guilty and his grave has already been dug.

Originally posted by WeRpeons
They already have declared this guy guilty and his grave has already been dug.

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Which is no different then all the people that have already declared he is a hero and should be placed on a pedestal.

This is what is known.
1. He has broken the law
2. In the process of breaking those laws the people have learned that PRISM appears to be a violation of various aspects of the Constitution.

Their really isn't enough known about the how factual the story is for anyone to say he is guilty or he is a hero.

Originally posted by pteridine

The comments I made were a result of an earlier exchange regarding who should be jailed. Bush/Cheney were first in line. Pelosi is a small fry.

Do try to follow the thread before tripping into the malicious stupidity trap while busy ranting about kool aid.

I did follow it...I noticed how one sided your post was. The implication was arrest Bush and Chaney and then stop there. Both your previous posts were rather one sided. Since the left tends to blame the right for all the wrongs in the country (and vice versa) I decided to balance the rant.

BTW...I never drink the kool-aid. I do love pointing out people drowning in it though.

Originally posted by smurfy

There is no doubt about that, it could become a constitutional matter as here,

'Article [IV]
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.'

There is stuff elsewhere that deals with tyrannical government, although I don't want to go there, but certainly the above article is a protection against tyranny from any source.
I just love Pelosi's remark about balance given Snowden's revelations, there is no balance whatsoever, our man Haig is the same kind of dipstick.

I believe the quote that comes to mind (for me, at least) is the following by Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed, from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

One of our founding fathers would be called a terrorist by our current administration. Think about that for a few...

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Thats the trouble with writing laws which violate the founding principles of the nation in which they are being enforced. If the US government were to a) capture Mr Snowden, and then b) bring him to anything which even RESEMBLED a fair trial (and by resembled, I mean if you squint, do an eye dropper full of narcotics, poke yourself in each eye, and then spin round till you are dizzy), his defense team, should they be remotely capable, would shoot the law itself full of holes big enough to drive a coach and horses through.

The only way the US government are going to get the result they are after out of this scenario, is to either have Snowden quietly killed in some crap strewn alley in the middle of no where, or somehow capture him, and have a closed trial. Either way, the minds that matter are made up on his guilt.

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Pelosi is an Unholy Monster that should never be allowed near a microphone...

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Originally posted by opethPA

Originally posted by WeRpeons
They already have declared this guy guilty and his grave has already been dug.

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Which is no different then all the people that have already declared he is a hero and should be placed on a pedestal.

This is what is known.
1. He has broken the law
2. In the process of breaking those laws the people have learned that PRISM appears to be a violation of various aspects of the Constitution.

Their really isn't enough known about the how factual the story is for anyone to say he is guilty or he is a hero.

There isnt? The admission by the NSA regarding conducting surveillance without warrants isnt enough? The release of the sealed court decision that stated the NSA was violating the law of the land isnt sufficient?
What more would you like? Finding a bug in everyone's home? The NSA playing back your most intimate/embarrassing/private conversation on youtube? What would it take?

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
She's correct, he did violate the law.

He's violating a law? Where were those who cared about laws that would govern the massive tapping of the American populace? Oh right, that's the U.S. government. The very same government who disregarded laws in order to tap the entire nation. So if they don't care about laws, that's brutally clear. The only laws they care about are the ones that they enforce on the American people, and the laws that keep you unaware.

Originally posted by bbracken677

Originally posted by pteridine

The comments I made were a result of an earlier exchange regarding who should be jailed. Bush/Cheney were first in line. Pelosi is a small fry.

Do try to follow the thread before tripping into the malicious stupidity trap while busy ranting about kool aid.

I did follow it...I noticed how one sided your post was. The implication was arrest Bush and Chaney and then stop there. Both your previous posts were rather one sided. Since the left tends to blame the right for all the wrongs in the country (and vice versa) I decided to balance the rant.

BTW...I never drink the kool-aid. I do love pointing out people drowning in it though.

Yeah, here we are back at the Kool Aid joke again. This is where you pretend to be in the know and those who disagree with you are sheeple drinking the Kool Aid. I actually prefer a good Barolo [d.o.c., naturalmente].
As to Snowden, he will eventually be caught and tried when the big players are done using him, the poor twit. Meanwhile, the people who pretend to be in the know, praise Snowden's heroic blabbermouthing, attack Pelosi for her looks, and live in their own little happy place.

the law isn't lawful.
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Originally posted by Moshpet

Originally posted by whyamIhere
reply to post by Moshpet

 

Just because you have a moral imperative to step out of the bounds of the laws regarding secrecy or any other valid laws, you do not have a right to escape justice or skip paying the penalty.

True, but remember the man is entitled to his day in court.

Then....You may hang him. Until then I would prefer a judge handled it.

Who is trying to step out of bounds?....Sheesh, the man has Rights.

Oh I want a judge to handle it.
But as it stands every twit with a grudge against the government is trying to make him out as a hero.
I don't, neither he nor Manning stopped at the point where I could defend their actions as heroic.
When you knowingly give out sensitive and secret information or materials to a foreign national, that's not taking a moral stance, that is turning traitorous.

Yes he has rights, but he does not have a get out of jail free card coming either.
What he should get is a fair trail, and the full penalties in accordance with this crimes.

M.

So I guess you also believe that the information snowden exposed was information regarding.a just and constitutional.program?

Who the heck is pelosi? sounds like a clowns name.. fits her good though.. pelosi the government clown

Originally posted by bbracken677
I believe the quote that comes to mind (for me, at least) is the following by Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed, from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

One of our founding fathers would be called a terrorist by our current administration. Think about that for a few...

You do realize they were all terrorists during the war, right? One sides freedom fighter is the other sides terrorist. Think about that the next time some mention is made of evil terrorists or making us safe from terrorism. There's another meaning to what's being said.

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I totally agree. Her and her ilk in the liberal side deserve what they have coming. But, let us not forget the chicken-hawks like Bush, Cheney, Rum-smelt and Woops-my-lips and as well anyone who plays the good cop, bad cop con on the citizenry must answer for their crimes as well.

Originally posted by Aazadan

Originally posted by bbracken677
I believe the quote that comes to mind (for me, at least) is the following by Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed, from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

One of our founding fathers would be called a terrorist by our current administration. Think about that for a few...

You do realize they were all terrorists during the war, right? One sides freedom fighter is the other sides terrorist. Think about that the next time some mention is made of evil terrorists or making us safe from terrorism. There's another meaning to what's being said.

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I was referring to the abuse of the term terrorist. A terrorist is, or should be, a fairly narrow definition that has been expanded to mean just about anyone anti-govt or anti-social. Yesterday's patriots may very well be today's terrorists.

I suppose, in my mind at least, our revolutionary armies were not conducting warfare on common civilians in England, but rather were fighting England's armies here in what was to become the U.S. IMO a terrorist is someone who avoids fighting the actually power structure but rather just attacks innocent citizens for the sole purpose of causing murder and mayhem. Chaos is the target of terrorism (at least, as I see it).

Anyone seeking self-governance, freedom, or whatever similar goal and fights the power structure in place is not, by definition, a terrorist. There are a number of names that can be used depending on perception, but terrorist is not, or should not, be one of them.

Originally posted by coastlinekid
reply to post by bbracken677

 

Pelosi is an Unholy Monster that should never be allowed near a microphone...

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Or a gavel for that matter... Snowden did NOT violate the law... There is no such thing as an *unlawful* law.. It is either lawful or not.. Spying on American citizens is AGAINST the constitution therefore making it AGAINST the law... Pelosi is full of it again..