Project Identification: Ufology's Red-Headed Stepchild

reply to post by JayinAR
Actually when it comes to the Final Pope prophesy there is much speculation that St. Malachy may not have been the author and that others added their own prophesies and attributed them to Malachy.

The Fatima Mystery has always intrigued me, especially the phenomena of the sun. It could indeed have been a spiritual miracle, but one must also consider that the crowd that had gathered were expecting, hoping to experience some sort of vision or miracle. It stands to reason that it is possible that they subconsciously projected the energy causing the phenomena themselves or that it could have possibly been a mass hallucination brought on by their sheer desire to experience something "Holy". There also exists the possibility that the 3 children who shared the vision of Our Lady may have been experiencing a true miracle or that the vision was revealed to them was actually "something else" projecting to them in a form they would accept and understand. It's extremely thought provoking and the possibilities are endless.

What do we make of this?! In which direction does this rather astounding claim take us in relation to his Project Identification work?? To loonville or Keel? And if more towards Keel, then away from nuts & bolts?

As the project began to wind down, Rutledge noted in later interviews that some balls of plasma, 2-6 inches in diameter, would actually follow him around and even appear inside buildings. He found, as do many people who become intrigued by the UFO phenomenon, that the deeper you go into it, starange things begin happening. An observation once made by John Keel seems appropriate. Keel mentioned that if you notice and become interested in the phenomenon, it can notice you and become interested in you. That is essentially what Rutledge concluded.

www.mysterious-america.net...

reply to post by The GUT


And we should believe a wikipedia article that can't even get the guy's career timeline correct, why?

"In 1966, Harley Rutledge completed his Ph.D. in solid state physics at the University of Missouri. He subsequently took the position of Professor and Chairman of the Physics Department at Southeast Missouri State University. He was Department Chairman from 1964 to 1982 and retired from teaching in 1992."

So before he even had a Ph.D he was chairman of the Physics department? Since this simple claim doesn't bear out scrutiny, why should one believe anything else in this wikipedia article?

I also went to the link with the long-winded discussion of Project Identification, and found it very light on details that matter. Frankly, nothing in it is compelling enough to pursue the topic further. So goes another "important" UFO study.

reply to post by The GUT
After many years and many unexplainable experiences I have come to my own conclusion that the more you show interest in the "unexplainable" the more it indeed shows an interest in you. We will probably discuss that sometime, but this thread probably isn't the place to do it. Regardless I'm fairly certain Keel was on to something when he made that statement.

reply to post by The GUT


As far as the different "models" I wouldn't write that off as a mark for IDH at all really. Numerous ETH ideas could explain that.
The first of which would be simply that they send multiple models at all times for different purposes. Much like when we send the Navy over seas to kick ass.
Aircraft carriers, battle ships, etc.

reply to post by littled16


Oh, I agree. In the days leading up to, and following Francis' appointment I immersed myself into the prophesy aspect of Fatima and the Blessed Lady.
It is truly remarkable.
I need to dig deeper into the mass sighting as I believe this directly supports the theory I am trying to develop, and which you elude to.

reply to post by The GUT


Oh I DIRECTLY can attest to this as true.
My contact experience is direct evidence of it.

I was willing it to happen through meditation for two or three weeks before it happened.

I definitely invited it.

This is a direct hit for the Matrix theory.

reply to post by MrInquisitive


I don't agree with the study's conclusions either...for reasons outlined above.

Care to join the discussion?

reply to post by MrInquisitive

Certainly the study raises flags in quite a few aspects. But the length of the study along with decent spotting equipment by folk who presumably knew when they were looking at satellites or traditional aircraft, then it's only sensible, in my opinion, that it deserves a good, hard, look see at least. Guess, I'll spring for the $30 and get a used copy if something doesn't turn up..

Until we get an upclose peak at what these objects are or what is controlling/inside them the possibilities are endless.

Is it unconventional technology discovered by top secret military programs leaps ahead of what we the public know about?

or

Is it the technology of alien or otherwordly influence that is controlling these objects?

We don't know!

Of course because we know for a fact that humans exist here on planet earth and have zero evidence of visiting extraterrestrials that the conclusion leans a little bit more towards a human explanation, but one does not rule out the other when we know little to nothing about the phenomenon.

One thing we as a species must realize is SOMETHING is going on outside of what we can explain and must be investigated.
Who knows what the answer might be?

Truth is in fact stranger than fiction!

reply to post by RothchildRancor


Hey man! Nice to see ya!
I've been wondering about your screen name. Is that a spin off of the Carter Puterschmidt Rancor? (Sorry, had to ask)

I would tend to disagree, but only for ONE reason. There IS evidence suggesting "out of this world" influence.

LOTS AND LOTS of it, actually.

reply to post by RothchildRancor

Well stated RR, I can't disagree with that. Welcome aboard.

This is a great thread. S&F. Thanks Gut. I'm beginning to notice - you bring some of the best stuff to the table in this forum.

As far as - is it inter-dimensional or extraterrestrial... I don't know.

I believe because I've personal experiences that lead me to believe.

And my experiences lead me to believe at least some of the phenomenon is inter-dimensional - but I don't think that makes them any less "alien". If that makes sense.

Whether they came from across the cosmos or just passed through the veil from another dimension. Either way, whatever and from wherever it hails - it's still alien i.e. not human. That's my take on it anyways, which is subject to change... frequently!!!

Peace,
Cirque

Originally posted by JayinAR
A separate, but related issue, is the question of where have these types of cases gone?
They simply don't happen anymore.
I personally feel it is because the intelligence behind it realizes that, in this day and age, they will get caught if they operate so openly...BUT this also contributes directly to the "falling off" of the field of UFOlogy.

Anyone can see things. Just need to go outside and look. But maybe we are more aware of what things really are.

Six months ago, our city had New Years celebrations. We went outside and saw a row of orange lights rising up from the horizon, and moving slowly across the sky. They were barely recognizable in the sky except as a fuzzy orange orbs. Then they started drifting apart sideways. One actually fell down close to us - it was a chinese lantern.

Another time, I was at a bus stop when a little girl carrying a silver helium balloon let go of it by mistake. Within seconds, there's a metallic sphere floating through the clouds. Similar videos have appeared on youtube.

The weirdest one I saw was when I was looking out of my Velux window at midnight (skylight window) and seeing an orange glowing point of light moving slowly across the sky - much like a chinese lantern. But the couple of times I tried to take photographs using my mobile phone camera, it would release what looked like a shower of blue sparks (like a firework or something burning up in the atmosphere). I doubt that any vehicle 120 miles up would be able to see the light from a mobile phone camera, so I can only assume it was a hot air balloon. But that would be insane to try and travel across the sky at night.

My parents used to see a cluster of three lights move across the sky in the Summer evenings and mornings. That was explained as the ISS or some other satellite.

I've only read the first page of this thread...so...if anyone else stated same as i post...i wonder if the plasma spheres are the same as the ones observed by bomber crews over Europe in WW-II.

reply to post by dagann


Yeah, foo fighters.
One would think there is a correlation there.

Originally posted by dagann
I've only read the first page of this thread...so...if anyone else stated same as i post...i wonder if the plasma spheres are the same as the ones observed by bomber crews over Europe in WW-II.

Good point. I would say that whenever the word "plasma" is used in context with UFO, we should automatically check it's characteristics against foo-fighter reports for classification purposes at the very least.

reply to post by stormcell


I too have had a small number of anomalous sightings. Only one of which could I actually verify as a craft.

One of the coolest ones I have ever seen was a balloon. I was able to verify this with my total station I was surveying with at the time. It was in the direction of a nearby car lot that had a bunch of big balloons out front. I guess one got loose. It looked cool once it got a few thousand feet up.

The point I was trying to make with my post however wasn't one of just ordinary sightings like we have had, but with these crazy mass sighting/ flaps that seem to have happened all the time back in the late '.60s to mid '70s..

reply to post by JayinAR

Hiya, Jay!

I know you reported that the Missouri & Michigan flaps had some similarities. How did that pan out since then? Thanks.

reply to post by The GUT


Howdy GUT!

These were both Missouri cases! Just a couple hundred miles apart. If I typed Michigan I apologize. The McDonald County flap happened in the early months of 1977.

I would say there is a high probability it is the same event. I actually did a write up on the wave I am trying to tie to this thing.

www.abovetopsecret.com...