My "Dad" got lung cancer.

reply to post by rickymouse


Yes,but the ways its been mass produced has changed its properties. It's nothing like the stuff they used in Ireland initially .
There is a study by a grad student ,who did it as her thesis I believe ,and the stuff is deadly to the GI tract actually .
It's on line,but I forget her name .

reply to post by Skjord

Chemo has a 10% success rate.

What is your source for that? What type of cancer? At what stage did the treatment start.
What is the success rate for laetrile? Oh, right. There isn't one.

Then you have to deal with radiation which can start the cancer again.

I had my last radiation treatment 31 years ago. No cancer.

Your ignorance disgusts me.

Yours...is yours.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Skjord

 

Chemo has a 10% success rate.

What is your source for that? What type of cancer? At what stage did the treatment start.
What is the success rate for laetrile? Oh, right. There isn't one.

Then you have to deal with radiation which can start the cancer again.

I had my last radiation treatment 31 years ago. No cancer.

Your ignorance disgusts me.

Yours...is yours.

edit on 6/17/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I am glad to hear a positive story about cancer.

Glad your still around. Your wisdom is appreciated by many...

reply to post by whyamIhere

I am glad to hear a positive story about cancer.

There are many.
A couple here in this thread.

Thank you.

reply to post by Phage


I know and thanks for the concern, but we all born to die another day, my father and grandfather had prostate cancer, my grandfather had it for 25 years before he died from natural causes and old age he was over a 100, never took a pill in his life and never trusted doctors of treatments.

My father is in his late seventies and also refuse chemo or surgery, he just turned into a vegetarian for the last 15 years since his diagnosis, his prostate cancer is still there but is no spreading.

We all produce cancer cells every day of our lives but the body have the ability to kill them before they spread, we also get small cancer tumors that never get to grow and spread, that is why the immune system is so important if we are to fight an out of control cancer.

Originally posted by Skjord
reply to post by Darkblade71

 

Chemo has a 10% success rate. Then you have to deal with radiation which can start the cancer again.

You have no idea what your talking about. But eating apricot kernels? Yeah, that's incredibly dangerous.

Your ignorance disgusts me.

Interesting.

Well, I know that without it, my mother would of died.
However, that was cervical cancer and not lung cancer.
What is dangerous is saying chemotherapy will not work and suggest just the opposite of it,that you will die if you do chemotherapy.

How well it works does depend on several factors.Not doing the therapy and trying something that is not under a doctors supervision is dumb and dangerous and could very well end in death.

I deny your ignorance.

Carry on.

reply to post by rickymouse


I cannot find her name . She published her full findings. They were scary . A few animal studies have been done,and it depends upon the animal . It kills rabbits ,and lowers nutrient absorbtion rates and growth in other ,but then some ,no affects.

Check this article out .
It's not so good for us,and I have long suspected additives to dairy is what causes "dairy allergy" ,not the actual dairy product .

readersupportednews.org... to-pull-from-market


Cornucopia, WI – The Cornucopia Institute formally requested that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) remove the common additive carrageenan from the US food supply.

Last year the FDA rejected a 2008 citizen petition, which presented scientific studies linking carrageenan to gastrointestinal inflammation and disease, including cancer. The petition was filed by Dr. Joanne Tobacman, a physician-researcher at the University of Illinois – Chicago College of Medicine, who has been studying food-grade carrageenan for more than a decade.

“The FDA’s justification for denial was based on a sloppy and incomplete evaluation of available published research, and it was riddled with overt bias which appears to protect an industry’s profits at the expense of public health,” says Charlotte Vallaeys, Director of Farm and Food Policy at Cornucopia, a Wisconsin-based non-profit food policy research group. “We have asked them to reevaluate.”

Carrageenan is a highly processed additive extracted from red seaweed. The controversial material contributes no nutritional value or flavor, but is added to affect the texture of a wide range of foods and beverages.

Scientists have raised concern about its safety for decades, based on research linking food-grade carrageenan in the diet of laboratory animals to gastrointestinal disease, including colon tumors.

reply to post by Darkblade71


The people who survive the cut burn poison cancer routine ,do so by luck of the draw . Probably their overall health contributes to it . That's my opinion .

Chemo is so toxic to the body ,and radiation so debilitating ,most people do not survive the side affects of both,later on down the road .
Granted,the point of keeping cancer patients alive ,is to keep milking them for money .
Not so much with children .
Children's cancer research is genuine ,in most cases ,but I haven't donated a dime to any cancer organizations in decades,because its all a sham .

Chemo ,is unnecessary. Radiation ,in some cases ,necessary .Surgery ,in some cases ,absolutely necessary .
It depends .
If you compared the survival rates ,to deaths,I'm guessing, deaths win by a big margin .
And gosh ! ,no phage ,they dont publish this stuff ,or they will lose paying customers.
Imagine if cancer was curable ...
Imagine all those chemo and radiation techs.
Oncology suites and doctors.
How many BILLIONS would be lost ,if a cure for ANY disease was found ?
Cancer,diabetes ,asthma.
It behooves them to NOT find cures ,if you ask me.


And .......I had this argument with a friend who survived it all ,about two years ago.
I begged him to do alternative treatments. No ....no ...no..
OK ,your body .

When you do chemo and radiation ,it completely wipes out your own immune system ,leaving you open to numerous other things taking hold. Maybe quite unnoticeable ,when you first think you are "cured".

So he told me my views on this,despite seeing it all first hand 100s of times,were idiotic . Six months later ,he was diagnosed with not one,but three other kinds of cancer ,all different from what he was "cured" from ,and was dead, in six weeks.
And he told me ,all I thought about ,was what you told me.....
Ask me how that feels.....

Watch a documentary ,cut poison burn .
I think that's the title .

cutpoisonburn.com...


That's all I will say about my feelings on it all .
Cancer is a money making vehicle for the AMA and big pharm now,and that's it .

reply to post by PtolemyII

Chemo is so toxic to the body ,and radiation so debilitating ,most people do not survive the side affects of both,later on down the road .

I did. I know of many others who have. What is the source of your statistics?

Granted,the point of keeping cancer patients alive ,is to keep milking them for money .

They quit "milking" me 26 years ago.

Chemo ,is unnecessary. Radiation ,in some cases ,necessary .Surgery ,in some cases ,absolutely necessary .

The only surgery I had was for staging the disease. I had radiation therapy and was in remission for 5 years. When symptoms started showing up again I went through chemotherapy. You seem to be very knowledgeable. Too bad you're wrong.

If you compared the survival rates ,to deaths,I'm guessing, deaths win by a big margin .

Why guess?

And gosh ! ,no phage ,they dont publish this stuff ,or they will lose paying customers.

Are you sure about that? Done a lot of research have you?

It behooves them to NOT find cures ,if you ask me.

I didn't ask.
But I guess they screwed up and cured me by mistake.

That's all I will say about my feelings on it all .

Don't confuse your feelings with facts.

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reply to post by PtolemyII


I agree it doesn't need to be a soapbox for anyone.

There is nothing wrong with alternatives as long as a person consults and keeps their doctor informed, it is a choice.

I am not saying people shouldn't look at trying things out.
Chemo is not healthy, no doubt.

But most cancer is fatal if not treated.
Sometimes there is no time for alternatives, and the OP is asking for a cure.
Perhaps there is something out there.

It really depends on the aggressiveness of the cancer and how much time there is to try something off the beaten path. The OP sounds desperate and asking for a miracle.

I hope and pray that they find it.

I just know that chemo saved my moms life,so it does work.

reply to post by Johnkie


This isn't a cure for everyone but many studies show it to be more effective than traditional cancer treatments and in the lungs this would be the most effective way to use it. Basically he should smoke marijuana or use medical grade marijuana oil, just average or even Mexican dirt weed should be effective, the oil you swallow and it takes a while to build a tolerance it's very powerful. It's a bronchial dilator as effective as albuterol and has THC which is proven to have effective cancer fighting abilities, and when smoked will leave trace amounts of THC infused tar on the lining of his lungs which is were it will go to work. If he's in real pain you might eventually need to get the strong medical stuff, it's still not very addictive and short breaks will restore it's effects, unlike traditional opiates which a person's tolerance is generally not reversible and with long term use they are very addictive and can lead to a point in time where they will no longer work no matter how much pain a person is in. I don't know if mj is what cured my asthma I had several major health issues when I tried it, but 3 weeks later my asthma was gone and now has been gone for 2 years I had it from birth. I know it sounds counter intuitive to smoke something for lung cancer, but he really has nothing to lose by trying. It helps a lot of people sometimes they end up cured, sometimes tumors stop growing and other times it does nothing for the cancer but does a lot for comfort.

reply to post by Johnkie


link

...Finding new and innovative ways to effectively irradiate tumors with as little damage to surrounding normal tissue as possible is an ongoing goal in cancer research...According to Varian Medical Systems, the developer and marketer of the linear accelerator, Trilogy combines highly precise image-guidance technology with one of the most powerful, pinpoint radiation beams ...

thanks to ever powerful computers, there are now extremely accurate targeted radiation treatments

My Dad died of lung cancer, because he played macho man and didn't go to the Dr when he started having odd symptoms. My Mom has been cancer free for almost 3 years because she had regular check ups and they caught it early. Please, PLEASE do not seek advice on an internet forum. Many of those natural "cures" will do nothing but cost you money and heartache. You are more than welcome to lean on us for support or have a shoulder to cry on, but get your loved one to a real Dr. Eating healthy is fine, but you will not find some miracle cure.

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


Well at this stage im just researching. And im sure alot of people in here have had experience with cancer, and maybe alternative cures. From what ive read chemo is such a hell, side effects, and usually does more damage then good.
It's lung cancer that has spread to the lymph. Its not malignant yet. But he will go to the hospital tomorrow to see if it has begun becoming malignant.
Ill be leaving tomorrow for a week, i ordered some alkaline cures. From what i could gather it shouldnt be bad to try increase PH levels while on chemotherapy.
Some say it wont change lung PH some says it will. Nowhere does it say its bad while on chemo.
So ill be making him try this. Also bought some PH strips so we can see what his body's PH level is.
And ill make him eat organic food only. and ill throw in some money for him too. My brother is living with him atm, and he has a low income, cause he's a student. So no need for my "Dad" to spend money on him aswell.

Its been some rough couple of days, my mom is visiting from Greenland but is leaving home soon. She's very devastated. But i know he will be okay, i cant really explain. I just do. If he doesnt, so be it. Death isn't something im scared of, no one should its just as natural as coming into the world.
Im sure the grass is greener on the other side.

Dont have time to read all replys atm, ill try to catch up later. Thanks agian for all the replys, good to see there is alot of people who cares!

Ps. It seems alot of people is confused about my "Dad's" medical situation. He is going to the doctor, he is most likely going to start chemo. Im just sorta looking for natural cures that can work with chemo, but raising PH levels can be done in a matter of days. So if we have 1 week with this stuff before starting chemo, hopefully we will see improvements. Also if the doctor's wont treat him in Denmark im gonna convince him to seek "sponsor-money" or what you call it from the Danish health service. To go to a clinic in Frankfurt.

reply to post by Johnkie


Sounds like you are all having a tough time of it and i really do pray for the best for you and your family.

I would however strongly advise that you speak to your dad's doctor before you start doing anything to mess about with PH levels in his lungs you could inadvertently cause some major complications (just because it says is safe online does not mean its true) so i wouldn't go and start doing anything unless you get the ok form a doctor otherwise you could cause a massive disruption of the acid base ballance and cause a respiratory alkalosis . If your not happy get a second opinion but what ever you do don't start any alternative therapy unless a medical doctor directly involved in your dad's care say's its safe to do so. Furthermore do not under any circumstances delay or encourage any delay in Chemo, yes it sucks but it also works and the earlier it gets to work the better.

Originally posted by shells4u
reply to post by Johnkie

 

Wow thats tough!!! believe me when I say I know what you are going through, my mother was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer last year, she was givin 3 months...she is still with us today...Thank God!!! with treatments almost all the cancer is gone except for a spot on her rib cage. She has just begun Radiation treatment this past week...We have not givin up and niether has she...I tell you this so that you will have hope...your Dad and you will be in my prayers tonight...

I have an elderly gentleman friend whose wife was told by doctors she had cancer and only 12 years to live and she lived just 12 years. We often remark that we wish the doctors had told her she had a bit longer since she probably would have lived until then. This doesn't seem to be an isolated case either. People who are compliant in nature seem to respond to whatever their doctor tells them. This how strong the power of suggestion is. It is also why people can't practice medicine unless and until they have been indoctrinated into a well regimented, age old, exclusive society of medical professionals, all on board the same teachings and with initials after their names. They are not all bad but it seems like people who are fighters, with contrary type personalities are the only ones able to make liars out of some of these doctors. I have a sister who has a spot on her lungs dealing with cancer so my heart and good thoughts goes out to all who are, such as your mom, or have loved ones suffering. Prayers are always good too. A sad sign of the times to me is how many parents are surviving their children these days. For example this friend mentioned earlier is 88 and his son died at 60. Many elder folks I know have lost children already. Is your maternal grandmother still alive also for example. Cancer seems to be trying to wipe out an entire generation, in particular targeting the generation that came right after the greatest.

Get him Lucidium Ganoderma. Either the sliced mushroom, or powder. Also known as Lingzhi or Reishi. The most sought after is the Red Reishi. This is the most powerful medicinal mushroom that I know of. Has strong anti-cancer effects. Supports the Heart, liver, kidneys,and blood. One of the best detoxifiers know to man. It has no known side effects. It has been used in Asia for over 2,000 years. It was considered so important that emperors would send runners into the mountains to find it. Considered to be the King of medicinal herbs. I make a tea with the powder (which is hard to find in stores). It has so many health benefits that it would take forever to list them all.

Sorry to hear about your "Dad".

I've been looking around for "cures" and therapies for cancer for around 15 years or so now every since my Mum got it. My Mum passed away from metastised cancer 11 years ago.

I've got a medical background stretching back for nearly 30 years now which allows me to sort the wheat from the chafe quite easily.

The one thing I can say is that there is no natural cure for cancer.
There's no "cure" for cancer, full stop.

The internet is full of all of these "alternative" sites saying this works and that works but they all lack one thing.
Undeniable proof.

Until one of these sites publishes this, then I'm afraid they're liars, end of.
Testimonials are worth nothing.
Case histories are worth nothing.
They are just words which anyone can write.

One other thing that these sites tend to do is publish an individual study "proving" that this substance kills cancer cells (generally in vitro by the way). Unfortunately that means very little indeed (inject common salt into a cancer cell and see what happens). Studies like this only precede further more robust studies and these are what count.

What I'd like to see is a fully documented and verifiable case from corroborated diagnosis through to corroborated cure.
Then and only then will I be convinced and so far NOT ONE of these sites can show this.

If perhaps I've missed out a cure that does work and someone can show me irrefutable proof I will be the happiest man alive.

Without going into specific names (*cough* Burzynski *cough*) there are also plenty of physical clinics offering these miracle cures but as I mentioned above NOT ONE of them can provide the proof I'd need to convince me that they are for real.


One thing above all that people with cancer need is time.
The earlier cancer is diagnosed, the more successful the treatment.
All going through alternative treatments do is waste that time.


I would love there to be a simple, effective and harmless treatment for cancer, I really would.
Plenty of people bemoan just how terrible "conventional" treatment is but it's nothing compared to the disease itself.
I know plenty of people who have had conventional treatment and have got through it and are now doing well.
I don't know any who've had alternative treatment and done well though.

Blood doesn't matter: the heart matters.

My own father was a POS who managed to die in front of me when I was seven, thank God. Before that he beat my mother regularly. Then she married the best man who ever walked this planet, my stepfather.

My mom died of cancer in February, with this man weeping at her side. This past Father's Day was just like any other one: I called him and spoke with him and told him I loved him and how I wished he had been my real dad. And like always, he said he was in every way that counted.

I am glad you have that man in your life as your dad. I am so sorry that he has cancer, but the best thing you can do is let him know every chance you get what he means to you.