I Converted A Catholic To Atheism

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by HarryTZ

 

What part of what I said was unclear? I don't need a god and I don't recognize any.

But I never mentioned a god in my post... I think you may have tagged the wrong response.

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You didn't give me any context. All you gave me was question marks.

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I am very interested in reading the rest of your poem. I feel that it could help this discussion, plus I really liked the first stanza

Right! You liked it so much that you forgot to give me a star. You didn't have any comment to make about the actor or the psychopath.

The poem itself was my means of regaining a strong sense of ego, after facing the fact that those who gladly listened to my poetry and suggested that I publish, couldn't be bothered to part with the price of a twelve pack of beer in order to purchase the compilation.

The tree in the poem taught the reality of self awareness, of growth, change, continuity of ego, goal and attainment. And that the tree was closer to human than was the wind.

Your outlook seems to favor the wind over the tree. I never would have bothered to get out of my death bed if I had your outlook. I never would have written the poem.

I'm reading a pretty good essay by Philip K. Dick, maybe you'd like to read it and discuss it.
How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by HarryTZ

I am very interested in reading the rest of your poem. I feel that it could help this discussion, plus I really liked the first stanza

Right! You liked it so much that you forgot to give me a star. You didn't have any comment to make about the actor or the psychopath.

The poem itself was my means of regaining a strong sense of ego, after facing the fact that those who gladly listened to my poetry and suggested that I publish, couldn't be bothered to part with the price of a twelve pack of beer in order to purchase the compilation.

The tree in the poem taught the reality of self awareness, of growth, change, continuity of ego, goal and attainment. And that the tree was closer to human than was the wind.

Your outlook seems to favor the wind over the tree. I never would have bothered to get out of my death bed if I had your outlook. I never would have written the poem.

I'm reading a pretty good essay by Philip K. Dick, maybe you'd like to read it and discuss it.
How to Build a Universe That Doesn't Fall Apart Two Days Later

edit on 6-7-2013 by pthena because: (no reason given)

I see Philip Dick's name on list of atheist's quotes. Pray for his conversion. The "awakening" is soon.

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Bit late P.K.Dick died in 1982.
Is he burning in Hell ?

reply to post by colbe

I see Philip Dick's name on list of atheist's quotes. Pray for his conversion.

Evidently, you didn't read the speech (I called it an essay in error).

One afternoon I was talking to my priest—I am an Episcopalian—and I happened to mention to him an important scene near the end of the novel in which the character Felix Buckman meets a black stranger at an all-night gas station, and they begin to talk. As I described the scene in more and more detail, my priest became progressively more agitated. At last he said, "That is a scene from the Book of Acts, from the Bible! In Acts, the person who meets the black man on the road is named Philip—your name." Father Rasch was so upset by the resemblance that he could not even locate the scene in his Bible. "Read Acts," he instructed me. "And you'll agree. It's the same down to specific details."

He went into a very religious type mode in about the last third of his speech.

I think he was seeing patterns where other people might not have seen those patterns. But then, only he would have felt the deja vu shivers, and no one else hearing or reading it would.

Originally posted by colbe
The "awakening" is soon.

Would you mind expanding on that a bit more?

Originally posted by Serdgiam

Originally posted by colbe
The "awakening" is soon.

Would you mind expanding on that a bit more?

Thank you for asking Serdgiam, God bless you. Protestants in their current messages, hear this divine event called the "awakening." Catholics know it as the Great Warning or the "illumination of conscience" or the "mini judgment."

Everyone on the earth is going to experience an NDE like life review, shown your soul as God sees it and where you would go if you died at that moment. Purgatory if you are judged for Heaven and you still have sins to atone for or Hell. There are not many souls who go straight up to Heaven these days. Part of this experience will be a warning about the anti-Christ. God wants humanity to find Him and/or return to Him if they are far away. It is a chance to change here and now. The "awakening" is a great gift.

A few people have experienced a pre-Warning. Saint Faustina did in the 1930s, read paragraph 36 of her diary. She is the saint of Divine Mercy. This "awakening" is God's love and mercy. Search the the Warning of Garbandal. Catholic and Protestant current messengers are hearing this divine event is "soon." Conchita, the main seer of Garabandal heard from Our Lord's mother, the Great Warning will happen when the world is at its worst and Communism comes again.

Prepare for this "awakening" by examining your life, examine your conscience, CONFESS with true contrition, from the heart your mortal sins to God now. Catholics must go to Confession. We will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing confessed sins during the "awakening." Ask God the Holy Spirit to help you examine your conscience. There are examine your conscience websites, they take you through the 10 Commandments. PRAY every day, from now on, even if for only for a short time. Two things we all can do.

Guide to examination of conscience:

www.scborromeo.org...

Originally posted by Serdgiam

Originally posted by colbe
The "awakening" is soon.

Would you mind expanding on that a bit more?

Serdgiam,

God is preparing the world in prophecy, there is only one end time. Mary Clark is a Protestant messenger. This message today, the last line speaks of the "awakening." God wishes to save everyone so believe.

+ + +

The Golden Ticket - Part 1

July 6, 2013

The Lord showed me a vision of a small, crumpled piece of golden paper on the floor. Then He said “the golden ticket.”

... I want you to treasure that ticket. Hold it close to your heart. Do not toss it aside as if it were of no value. Hold it close and realize that you have been given a valuable gift, a gift from your heavenly Father.

Many look on this ticket and treasure it for a while and then grow weary of pondering its value. Ponder this truth every day, the truth that you have been given a very valuable golden ticket. Prize it. Don’t toss it aside. Now, pick it up. Smooth it out. Read it. Ponder the truths inscribed on this ticket, and know, dear one, that you are indeed very fortunate, very fortunate to have received this ticket of such high value.

I have given to each of My dear children a golden ticket that provides for you more than you can imagine. Value this ticket. Value all of it, even the things about it that you do not quite understand, and know, dear child, that the day is coming when you will be awakened to the value of this golden ticket in mystifying ways, mystifying ways to say the least!!!

www.ft111.eagles.com...

Sorry, I didn't type in the correct letters to the link with the prophecy. Here it is, the messenger is Mary Clark.

ft111.com...

Thanks, Colbe. Your presence here has really brought out the message I'm trying to send.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Thanks, Colbe. Your presence here has really brought out the message I'm trying to send.

You are not welcome. What in the world turned you to atheism AI? Were your parents Catholics and this is your rebellion? If they aren't atheists too and they know about you, their cross to offer to Our Lord.

Atheism is easier but it is so lonely. It is like being dead before you are dead.

And I had heard of God's beautiful plan for His children, then I denied it. I am so cool, your personal opinion is what happens to you. Forget the miraculous healing testimonies, witness to the presence of God in the soul, in the Eucharist. 2000 years of testimony.

So what, ignore them says the atheist. Silly prideful atheists. Pray for their conversion.

Op,

You took away the gift of faith, not something to be proud of.

Scary, atheists ignore other atheists...

"America's ... resistance is three fold: its patriotism, morality and spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." Stalin

Thanks whoever has the wonderful blog, Apocalypse Paradigm.

reply to post by colbe

You are not welcome. What in the world turned you to atheism AI? Were your parents Catholics and this is your rebellion? If they aren't atheists too and they know about you, their cross to offer to Our Lord.

My mother is a Unitarian Universalist. She stopped being Catholic after being told by the principal of the Catholic school she attended that she was going to hell for being gay.

Atheism is easier but it is so lonely. It is like being dead before you are dead.

Are you an atheist? Then how do you know how atheism feels? Being an actual atheist, I can tell you that it's nothing like that. You seize the life you are given before it is gone.

And I had heard of God's beautiful plan for His children, then I denied it. I am so cool, your personal opinion is what happens to you. Forget the miraculous healing testimonies, witness to the presence of God in the soul, in the Eucharist. 2000 years of testimony.

So what, ignore them says the atheist. Silly prideful atheists. Pray for their conversion.

2,000 years of testimony becomes suspect when miracles stop happening and science starts to pay attention.

reply to post by colbe

Scary, atheists ignore other atheists...

"America's ... resistance is three fold: its patriotism, morality and spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." Stalin

Thanks whoever has the wonderful blog, Apocalypse Paradigm.

Quoting atheists now? Should I post the numerous quotes in which Hitler attributed his diabolical plan to that of "God"? Should I show you all the ways he claimed to be honoring the Christian paradigm with his actions? A little Google search will tell you that.

And then you say: "He was not a true Christian!" or maybe "He was only one Christian! He didn't understand Christianity!"

Just so. Stalin was one atheist. What he chose to do with his disbelief is on his head, not the conglomerates of atheism.

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Thank you for sharing colbe.

At this point, it is probably clear to both of us that we do not follow the same system of faith.

That said, I feel an "awakening" is soon as well. Not necessarily in a mystic sense, but a technological sense that will require all of humanity to examine exactly how we approach each other and ourselves. So, it may in turn have a spiritual component.

Most of the population is relatively behind in understanding exactly where technology currently is. It is more profitable to control the market, and have a controlled release of technology. That said, the next discoveries are bound to be quite massive.

Weaponization of new technologies, that render atomic fission/fusion obsolete, will have a much greater potential for destruction. On the flip side, it also has a much greater potential to introduce a "golden age" of sorts (referring to the golden ticket), but we have to choose to use it that way. Should be interesting to see the inevitable clash between culture and technology that up to this point has not necessarily been a forefront issue.

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Op,

You took away the gift of faith, not something to be proud of.

Funny thing, that. I was under the impression that science does most of the work anyway. Faith is just there to look good. If faith is what you want, maybe you should rely a little less on those things that science gave you, eh? Your computer and car and electricity and plumbing are not products of faith, but of perseverance and intelligent investigation.

Also, I didn't take anything away. He claims to have reverted. However, it should be noted that he has been drinking heavily and is therefore not exactly in a position to be making informed judgments regarding his stance in any issue. In my humble opinion, he's not exhibiting faith...he's just fearful and insecure. It's the familiarity factor. He knows the familiar, closed, claustrophobic security of Catholicism and is scared of the uncomfortable truths that lurk outside of the box. These are not good reasons to believe in any deity. Times like these really drive home the suggestion that mankind is no longer interested in truth, so much as a convenient lie that serves their purposes. Or more to the point, if they have no conclusive answer, then they will choose the most convenient one, not the most likely.

But that's their choice. I am merely here to offer my perspective and opinions in the matter.

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You know, when I am actually working on experiments and attempting to confirm/deny hypotheses. I have faith that those hypotheses are accurate enough to be worth my time.

Every scientist does this, but the end result to those whom have no actual dealing with science, would suggest that it was simply accepted from the start.

Historically, it shows a completely different precedence, where those who have faith in their own reason have to constantly assert and prove it until others begin to actually explore it for themselves. This has been the case for nearly every major scientific discovery in the history of mankind.

Perhaps to someone who does not actually pursue science and has no involvement with it whatsoever, it may seem that it is all "absolute logic and truth with conclusive answers." It is, however, a process that is based in having faith in our own logic, reasons, and ideas and then following through with experimentation and then application. Our application of the already-present forces of the universe changes and grows as our understanding does, all based in the faith and ingenuity that is present in science in the confirmation and falsification of our own inventions and ideas.

If scientists didnt have faith that their hypotheses were applicable, then we wouldnt ever pursue them.

The main difference is not the absence of logic or faith in any certain explorative system, its that science has a leaning towards faith based in logic, whereas religion leans more towards logic based in faith.

reply to post by Serdgiam

You know, when I am actually working on experiments and attempting to confirm/deny hypotheses. I have faith that those hypotheses are accurate enough to be worth my time.

You mean an educated guess? You have reason to believe that your hypothesis is a logical pursuit.

Historically, it shows a completely different precedence, where those who have faith in their own reason have to constantly assert and prove it until others begin to actually explore it for themselves. This has been the case for nearly every major scientific discovery in the history of mankind.

Unless their reason is self-evident. Which is why it's called reason and not faith. A reason that requires faith is not reason. A reason is a process. It's cause and effect.

Perhaps to someone who does not actually pursue science and has no involvement with it whatsoever, it may seem that it is all "absolute logic and truth with conclusive answers." It is, however, a process that is based in having faith in our own logic, reasons, and ideas and then following through with experimentation and then application. Our application of the already-present forces of the universe changes and grows as our understanding does, all based in the faith and ingenuity that is present in science in the confirmation and falsification of our own inventions and ideas.

Are you trying to undermine the role of scientific investigation and subsequent technology and intellectual development in comparison to the paltry show tricks that faith has to offer? There's levitating someone using wires or some crap and making the audience feel really awesome about having witnessed it, and then there's treating a cancer patient so they can live to watch their grand daughter get married.

There's mystery, and then there's answers.