Vegetarians will be forced to eat meat in SHTF Scenario

If TSHTF we will all be eating Sand.

If you can pass that test, youve won the game of life, and earned your place in heaven.

Or, you'll get to the Pearly Gates, and God will stand inside and say "Dumbass, I sent you two squirrels and a dog. Fugedaboudit!" and walk off, leaving you to slink down to the other place instead.

Originally posted by tazdeill2
What will the meat eaters do when all the bullets have gone? Meat is a 'luxury' we never relied on it before, and we don't need to now.

Well, deadfalls, pit traps, snares, slings, bows, frog gigs...

There's lots of ways to get protein. Worse come to worst, there's always worms and ant fishing, but I'd have to be awful hungry for worms. Ants, on the other hand, are sort of tangy and inoffensive. Just a lot of work.

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I don't even considering being able to stay in one place, I don't like to stay in one place now.....

First and worst consideration, then dwelling in one place only on a temporary basis after things calm down.

Move slow, move quiet, a lot of times you will basically stumble upon what you need.

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I'd rather LIVE than just survive...

Luckily, I've eaten some really weird stuff over the years. Living overseas started it, but it is amazing how many things are actually edible, if not exactly tasty.

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Rabbit starvation

A diet of rabbit would be a bad move I think.

To the OP, good post. It's given me food for thought .
I've been a vegetarian for 22 years ( over half my life) .This was for resons of health at first, but now I feel nothing gives me the right to take a life. People are omnivores, we can live on a pure vegetarian diet but not a pure meat diet.
If SHFT happens I will try to eat anything without a face till i fall on my face.

With respects

Marc

Originally posted by Bedlam

Originally posted by tazdeill2
What will the meat eaters do when all the bullets have gone? Meat is a 'luxury' we never relied on it before, and we don't need to now.

Just a lot of work

= more calories burnt

The harder you work for your food the more you need.

With respect

Marc

edit on 12-6-2013 by marc72 because: because I can

Pulse crops (beans, peas, lentils) combined with whole grains, make protein you can survive on.
Just have lots of stored dry foods, to supplement with wild onions and dandelions.

In a SHTF scenario, we will all be eating things we won't like.

Those big groups that hunt instead of trapping their critters will force game out of their area. Only thing they'll have in abundance will be their crops.

Those vegan farmers will have fields of veggies that critters will devour since they will be unchecked. They will be 'forced' into eating them critters.

After a SHTF situation, we will all have to learn to consume with a balance in mind. That'll mean eating animal flesh about 3 times a week - most meat acquired should be from traps. Even then, mainly in stews and broths with little meat per person. Those meat lovers will be forced to eat tubers and greens most of the time.

Sure there will be times of plenty meat, but only during mating seasons. Meat then would be mostly preserved and not be recklessly consumed...unless your group decides to do a festival after establishing that this will be an annual thing.

...of course, this is after a shtf scenario. Which will statistically never going to happen. Even though the same stat nerds stated women will never vote or get equal rights in America.

Some of us vegans have been storing up lbs of sprouting seeds/beans which can be sprouted within a few days to eat and pack an over abundance of vitamins that can sustain you by themselves, plus they can be planted to harvest crops and more seeds thus creating a self sustained food source. this will come in handy after you carnivores kill off all the wildlife and have less options for food survival.

The main reason I don't eat meat is because of the appalling conditions they have to endure in factory farms. Even free range chooks don't get to see the sky, sun or green grass in their entire lives.

If it has lived a good life out in the wild, and I am eating to survive (rather than for pleasure) then I won't hesitate to kill it with my bare hands and tear into its carcass with my teeth.

Just sayin'

Just the thread tittle made me laugh hahahaha, Glorious!

I d love to watch them all take there first bite of delicious squirrel and rabbit meat.

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Put your gun away Rambo and put your walking shoes on.. There is no need to go out killing to survive. Nature provides if you know where to look... Take a pleasent walk to a coastal region and you will find a bountifull supply of food. Take the humble seaweed for example..

As superfoods go, sea vegetables lead the pack. They have an extraordinary amount of minerals, unmatched by any other food group. They are also among the list of foods highest in vitamins. As a group they are nutritionally dense. Individually, the nutritional content varies from seaweed to seaweed. Among the sea vegetables, you will find seaweeds that can claim:

nakedfoodmagazine.com...

Ten to twenty times the minerals and vitamins of land vegetables.
- Ten times more calcium than milk.
- Eight times more iron than red meat.
- Greater amounts of protein than eggs, wheat, or beans.

1. Protein Rich All sea vegetables contain significant amounts of protein, but some pack a heavier protein punch than others. The protein content of seaweed varies according to species. For example, Nori and Dulse have high levels of protein, even higher than the soybeans. Some of seaweeds contain as much as 50% protein. Generally brown seaweed is lower in protein, (3 – 15% of dry weight is protein) than the green or red (19 – 47% of dry weight is protein). As an added benefit, unlike land vegetables, the protein contained in seaweeds is a complete protein.

2. High in Fiber They are also a great source of essential soluble and insoluble dietary fibers. Both types of dietary fibers are equally important to your health. Fibers aid in digestion and in preventing heart disease, diabetes, obesity, diverticulitis, and constipation.

3. Vitamin Packed Seaweeds contain vitamins A, B, C, D, E and K. Plus, they contain vitamin B-12 (or something that resembles B-12). B-12 is a vitamin normally found only in animal products. Vegan diets are sometimes criticized for lacking B-12. Many experts advocate that seaweeds are reliable sources of B-12 for vegans and vegetarians, although, other experts question whether the body can use B-12 from sea vegetables.

4. Extraordinary Mineral Content The mineral content of sea vegetables is extraordinary. The high mineral content is believed to be at the root of most of their healing properties. The minerals found in sea vegetables are colloids and easily absorbed by the body. Sea vegetables can be an extremely nutrient-rich source of calcium, phosphorous, magnesium, sodium, iron, iodine/potassium iodide (KI), and chlorophyll.

With your attitude that people will be going round killing each other I do not think you will last long.. You are missing the most vital and important part of survival.. People and community.. The endemic tribes of the world do not go Ramboing through the forests they relly and support each other...

Here I have mentioned one family of plants that can provide you with most of the nutritional contents you need. You do not need to be a hunter or a survivalist to collect it either.. There are many more plants that can be used as food sources and for medicinal purposes. I would suggest you spend a little more time learning the attributes of your local flora. What you can eat, how to store it, what it can do for you and how to cultivate...

Certainly it would be interesting to turn your topic on its head to a when the peace hits the fan scenario... In such a ere we would not need to kill animals to survive. This would make more sustainable food available and ward of starvation on a mass scale.. How would you survive in a PHTF situation..

Originally posted by Evanzsayz
People will rob their neighbors for food once they start starving. Everyone will be at war with eachother...kill to survive is how they will see it once that hunger settles in. Big cities will be the worse place, so many people will die from violence and starvation. While the government just sits back and waits for us to beg to be saved.

As long as your're describing life in your own nation, I won't disagree (Americans have shown a remarkable tendency to turn against each other in times where they should do the exact opposite). However, it seems you've watched a little too many movies/evening news.
It'll take only little communication for most people to realize that, just because money is gone, resources aren't gone as well. If people are seriously too stupid to realize that money isn't actual wealth, but just a measurement for it, then they deserve to starve to death. However, where I live, I have no doubt that people will figure out a way to deal with the situation.

Now, If I would live in a nation where people would be left alone on their roof-tops for days/weeks (how long was it?) after a hurricane, and an uncountable number of people stashing guns in their basement in expectation of some kind of apocalypse, where they can live out their perverted lone-gunslinger-survivor fantasies, I'd probably think differently as well.

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To make the most important part of my post clear. Money is worthless, it's merely supported by an idea. Just because you lost your measuring tape doesn't mean that all the stuff you wanted to measure is gone as well. Resources are still abundant. Nature doesn't give a flying # about our economy. Plants will continue to grow, animals will continue to eat and bang each other (and therefore continue to repopulate themselves). Everything goes on normally. If some cellar-dwelling apocalypse prophets think otherwise, let them.

Look at the requirements for a predator to survive, look at the requirements for everything else to survive. Animal protein is expensive to produce, a much more likely alternative is mass produced "smart" food. Genetically modified of course.

Originally posted by tazdeill2
While the meat eaters were out blasting holes in the countryside, injuring animals and coming home hungry, I think vegetarians would be opening a tin of beans or similar - tinning preserves food for decades. Or they could be cooking dried goods they have put by - rice, paste, dehydrated vegetables etc. Or they could be harvesting the root or saled crops they have planted, and collecting the eggs from the hens they have reared. Perhaps a pizza from the dried yeast and flour they have put by. Then do a bit of foraging. What will the meat eaters do when all the bullets have gone? Meat is a 'luxury' we never relied on it before, and we don't need to now.

They will make bows and arrows, or, if they already have bows or cross bows in storage, make more arrows and bolts for the crossbows.

Back in the 30's, you know, the great depression, people survived, eating dandelions for one thing!

Guys. Any kind of food shortage would be dealt with.

LET ME REMIND YOU OF THE BERLIN FOOD DROPS.

Nuff said. We kept Berlin going with air drops, and we have way more capability now then we did then. That is one reason why France constantly needs our transports and italy and india had that finmeccanica fiasco.

Well speaking as a vegetarian...

This concept of the OP is silly. There are many reasons people choose to be vegetarian. My reasons are these... it's not necessary, the meat industries are in conflict with my political and environmental views. I don't think there's anything wrong with eating meat, just the way it is done these days.

That said, there's plenty of ways to grow indoors over the winter and there's vertical farming for those with limited space to grow in spring and summer. The biggest challenge will be learning how to make flour.

It will be those craving meat that will go without because it takes more energy to hunt than it does to plant crops.
With a wide range of food that can be grown from scraps.... Potatoes, Carrots, Turnips, Parsnips, Onions just to name a few... And with adequate crop rotation and plant knowledge, why would we need to eat meat??? Poorly thought out logic
Plus a big factor.... Energy Expenditure and Calorie in take. Vegetarians will fair better as the whole landscape is a possible pantry. Recommended Reads, Foods For Free Richard Mabey and The Enclopedia Of Fungi of Britain & Europe ... just two of many.


Meat eaters do not corner the market in survival..... My self being Vegetarian, skilled in bushcraft and survival.... Now that doesn't mean I wouldn't have to kill an animal or two for Oils and Skin Primarily. Now that would make an interesting survival show Carnivore Vs Vegetarian.