Vegetarians will be forced to eat meat in SHTF Scenario

Scenario: The economy collapses like we have all been talking about for years. People panic...riots start and mass looting starts since the trucks will stop bringing food to the grocery store. The electricity gets turned off and people are left to fend for themselves.

Your refigerator and shelves will eventually be empty depending on how many people are in your family. Now let's go off on a limb and say this all happens in the winter. You can't grow produce in freezing temperatures, You can't go to the store, You can't get any help because everyone will be worrying about their own families.

People will rob their neighbors for food once they start starving. Everyone will be at war with eachother...kill to survive is how they will see it once that hunger settles in. Big cities will be the worse place, so many people will die from violence and starvation. While the government just sits back and waits for us to beg to be saved.

Vegetarians will be forced to eat meat or die. Canned foods can only last so long and as I've said that depends how big your family is. You guys will be forced to hunt and fish. Make sure you got a water purifer and a gun with alot of ammo.

Now that I'm done scaring you guys to death. Tell me how a vegetarian could survive this scenario because I'm not seeing it. My grandfather grew up in the 30's and was very poor, if they didn't hunt squirrel, fish and butcher hogs he would of died. People just don't realize how good they got it until they lose it.

You definitely make a good point here. If SHTF for a long period of time, vegetarians will most likely have to eat some meat to survive unless they prepped for this scenario beforehand.

I'd like to hear from the vegetarian preppers on this one!

reply to post by Evanzsayz


Wait I thought the vegetarians were first on our menu If SHTF....

When it's do or die time people will eat the crotch out of dead horse.

Seriously there might be a few who starve over their beliefs but I imagine the majority of Vegans and Vegetarians will forgo their beliefs for survival.

One thing to be said for vegans and some vegetarians is that they are usually more knowledgable on what other foods that you can eat...like what grass, flowers, mushrooms, berries. So the best thing to do if you are alone and a hunter yourself is find yourself a vegan. Together maybe you might get a real meal.

Or people can buy and study books with the knowledge in it as well, you can also take edible plant courses.

I'm a beef eater myself, I hate chicken like hate them, the taste, the texture same thing with most cuts of pork but i'd be happy as can be to pluck one or slit it's throat and cook it up if the time came. And I bet it would be the best darn meal ever.

I agree with your post completely. I think that in a situation such as the one you described, people will be forced to eat whatever they can get their hands on, regardless of what their pre-shtf diet is like.

I was a vegetarian for 13 years, until eventually I became pregnant and only wanted to eat chicken. LOL. Recently I've been thinking of going back to a vegetarian lifestyle, simply because I tended to eat healthier all together. If I do convert back to vegetarianism, I will have no qualms with going back to meat in a SHTF scenario. I think any vegetarian with any common sense would do the same with no hesitation.

I am stocked and prepared to hunt game to survive, although I will be the first to admit that I really need and want to hook up with some real hunters to actually LEARN the skill. You can watch all the youtube videos you want on field dressing and tracking and all that, but I don't think anything replaces actually learning alongside an experienced hunter.

I think the bigger concern in the situation you described is not whether or not vegetarians will hunt and eat meat to survive, but rather: How significantly is the presence of game going to decrease once EVERYONE starts scrambling for food.

The vast majority of veggies choose not to eat meat because there is an abundance of non-meaty foods available to them.

Most people, including myself have never faced true hunger to the point where you'd eat scraps of food from a bin, or worse face the decision to kill an animal to eat or die yourself.

You're right people don't know how good they have it at the moment.

Originally posted by Evanzsayz

Vegetarians will be forced to eat meat or die.

Meh.

There are worse things than death. Like compromising your principles.

In the situation above, for those whose concerns are purely ethical, I can see how eating meat in a survival situation might not be tangent to their principles, and certainly wouldnt be for those who dont eat meat for health reasons.

But for any vegetarian who chooses not to eat meat for spiritual reasons, it truly would be the capstone test for them to prove they can and will walk the walk, and that their eternal spirit is truly what is of importance to them, not their passing physical form.

I imagine maybe only 1:100 would pass that test only they could have set for themselves.

Most people falter in the face of trivial temptation, let alone true temptation, and betray their supposed values and principles on a daily basis. Facing death, especially slowly, to stand for what you believe is right, no matter what that is, is the ultimate test that this life can provide to you. It asks that you sacrifice everything material that you have, including your very body and all its physical desires, to adhere to that virtue you believe to be greater and more worthy of adherence to than even life itself.

If you can pass that test, youve won the game of life, and earned your place in heaven.

Yes, most definitely there will be a decrease in vegans and vegetarians. lol

And people who are addicted to cheeseburgers and sodas will have to eat wild game and drink creek water. People who insist on driving somewhere that is 100 feet away will now be hoofing it. After existing cigarettes are out of supply, nic addicts will have to either grow their own or do without. Etc.

I don't understand your point of this thread other than serving as a 'Ha ha, silly vegetarians! Good luck with your lifestyle!' Apologies if I misunderstood but that is how your thread read to me.

EVERYONE'S lifestyle will dramatically change after SHTF. lol

Anyways, it wouldn't be impossible. Get through the first season on canned supplies if possible then start to gardening and storage. Been done for hundreds of years. But, yeah, lots would give up the lifestyle.

Well, vegans and vegetarians could learn to farm too. Fishing and hunting isn't the only way to get food after a SHTF event. Nor should it be. We still need the green stuff too. Even those of us who love a thick juicy steak.

EVERYONE'S lifestyle will dramatically change after SHTF. lol

Yep, but I'm going to try and minimize that as much as possible. For me, the biggest changes would be no AC (just way too much power), no fridge, no Internet, and no cable. However, the real challenge will be medicine for the wife, and if we ever need any serious medical care. One of our group is even a former EMT, but even that is limited (and her skills are limited to equipment available).

reply to post by Evanzsayz


perhaps that will happen in major cities but not in most rural areas around the world, you'd be amazed how people have managed to find and grow food in any environment, in fact how they've managed to survive in extreme conditions.
If you dont have the skill surely you will just become a scavenger like everyone else who has been dependent on the government all this time, but we still have the advantage to learn very fast with books or knowledge from others. But of course some humans always find it easier to kill and steal, well its the easy way but you wont last very long doing that.

There's an old saying " teach a man how to fish and you will feed him for the rest of his life" its very true in every scale of survival. "teach a man how to survive......

reply to post by Evanzsayz


on the other hand, there will be meat eaters that will have to live off rice, if that is all that is available.

close mcdonald, etc, and all of a suden all you have left is a vegetarian neighbor with a fat pantry.

my pantry has enough rice, beans and other vegetables to feed a family for months and i live by myself.

my neighbors might complain, but when hungry enough, food is food.

it goes both ways as far as i'm concerned, i'll adapt to whatever reality dictates.

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Personally, I'd prefer to use the rice, beans, and pasta to stretch out how far a little meat can go, to feed more. One fish may not be much for 10 people, but in with some rice and beans, and much more filling.

Actually,I think you have it backwards.Depending on the event,it may affect the wild critters too.Swine flu,bird flu,so forth.A nuke will vaporize anything edible.After the disaster,everyone and they're sister will become a hunter,and ignore the season to go poaching.Eventually the herd will be thinned out,the fish caught,birds shot.We will have to re think our choice of foods.Crawdads,minnows,blackbirds and such will be the only meat available.A greenhouse will stretch your growing season out a few months.Here in Arizona I can grow almost year around.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
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Wait I thought the vegetarians were first on our menu If SHTF....

edit on 12-6-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

Long pork.

reply to post by Evanzsayz


Yeah, and those fat carnivores may have to eat a freakin' carrot. What's your point? People will be eating other people in those situations.

I'm a vegetarian by choice, not necessity. I'll eat a squirrel or two to make it to the next harvest if I have to. I'd also outlive most of the red meat eaters since they wouldn't have access to their blood pressure medications.

While the meat eaters were out blasting holes in the countryside, injuring animals and coming home hungry, I think vegetarians would be opening a tin of beans or similar - tinning preserves food for decades. Or they could be cooking dried goods they have put by - rice, paste, dehydrated vegetables etc. Or they could be harvesting the root or saled crops they have planted, and collecting the eggs from the hens they have reared. Perhaps a pizza from the dried yeast and flour they have put by. Then do a bit of foraging. What will the meat eaters do when all the bullets have gone? Meat is a 'luxury' we never relied on it before, and we don't need to now.

Most vegetarians don't eat meat because they don't like it, not because they have some grandiose ideological bent they'll be forced to grapple with in their innermost psyche when the SHTF. I don't like rattlesnake. I don't like the texture or the taste, but where I live they would be one of the most abundant protein sources in a post-apocalyptic desert scenario... so I would eat them. There's nothing strange or hypocritical about this.

Vegetarians don't eat meat because they don't haveto. I don't eat cockroaches because I don't have to. If I'm starving a cockroach will taste like a hot fudge sundae. I'm not sure what the OP is really trying to say with this, other than wave a finger in the faces of vegetarians and taunt them with a TEOTWAWKI situation where they'll be forced to eat meat against their will. Like it'll be some kind of sadistic, Mad Max version of Hell's Kitchen or something.

Why?.

Vegetables, plants and tubers will be easier to chase down than fleshy critters.

Besides, one would be wise to go for the veggie diet, since all of the fleshy critters will be gone pretty quick, along with about all of the wood too.

When the SHTF, a lot of people's worries will be over because they will be in "The Land of No Problems".

Or more specifically, DEAD.

reply to post by MyHappyDogShiner

Besides, one would be wise to go for the veggie diet, since all of the fleshy critters will be gone pretty quick, along with about all of the wood too.

Bah, plenty of animals that can be raised for food. And you've never raised rabbits I take it?...

Rabbit gestation lasts 28-31 days, and because they are induced ovulators, mother rabbits can be impregnated again within minutes of giving birth. This means that mama could, hypothetically, have one litter per month if she is constantly with a male rabbit.

Faster than any crop yield....

Seems likely to me that if you are in a city that meat will be very scarce and most relief food will not be meat if it comes at all. Farms will recover faster than ranches if there is some sort of recovery.