The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

Sort of. Lol.
They are dragging in every lesser included God created because they know they lost.

Looking for anything they can get. It is called grasping at straws.

They are trying to make the jury instructions sound like following someone is not legal.

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

The prosecution is trying to get a lesser charge of third-degree felony murder based on the felony of child abuse that resulted in death.

(My take on that is they are hoping the "child abuse" part will sway the all woman jury.)

Originally posted by Libertygal

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

Sort of. Lol.
They are dragging in every lesser included God created because they know they lost.

Looking for anything they can get. It is called grasping at straws.

Exactly.

They probably wanted to add Jaywalking, bad check writing, pulling the tag off a mattress.....

Originally posted by tjack
Not only a great hunter, but quite the fast thinker too, since he'd all ready called the police and knew they would be showing up at any moment.

Doesn't leave much time for him to find, finish stalking and kill his "prey", stage the scene, clean up DNA and prints, injure himself etc, all the while keeping a look-out for the soon-to-arrive police and other possible eye-witnesses, and at the same time making sure NONE of the physical evidence is un-disputeable.

Amazing!

I hate using this phrase but... I know right?
Seriously some people are posting stuff about this case without even holding themselves for 10 seconds and just think about it through.
Prey... WTF.

reply to post by Libertygal

Sort of. Lol.
They are dragging in every lesser included God created because they know they lost.

Looking for anything they can get. It is called grasping at straws.

I asked this before but didn’t see a response…..

What is the difference between changing the charges mid-trial and double jeopardy? I don’t see much difference. Why does the prosecution have the ability to change course simply because they failed to meet the burden of proof in the original charge? Is this a common practice??

They are gonna try to pin anything on Zimmerman at this point.

They know if Zimmerman gets off scott free most major city's will see riots.

In the end it all boils down to don't put your hands on other people or you might end up dead.

reply to post by seabag


Sadly, it is pretty common, to try and cover their ass with lesser charges, just in case they fail to prove the one they are after. It's BS if you ask me, and I am not sure how that ever made it into the courtroom in the first place. One of the many reasons our prisons are so full, and that prosecutors are allowed to overshoot to make themselves look good and advance their careers.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

Looks like they are going to list 2nd Degree Murder on the charge list for the jury, but the list the lesser charges after it.

I hate that.

I think they should just go with the 'no seatbelt ticket' and be done with the whole thing already.

MOTF!

reply to post by seabag

Is this a common practice??

I have seen it done before. But in most juries I was on the lesser charge was present from the word go. I really feel the prosecution is just trying to get anything to get Zimmerman behind bars.

Peace

Originally posted by OneisOne

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

The prosecution is trying to get a lesser charge of third-degree felony murder based on the felony of child abuse that resulted in death.

(My take on that is they are hoping the "child abuse" part will sway the all woman jury.)

Absolutely.

But then, HOPEFULLY, the Child Abuse charge connotates a disrespect to the mother's; they have children and they know that being accused of child abuse is something Serious that they don't play with.....

Hopefully

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Sort of. Lol.
They are dragging in every lesser included God created because they know they lost.

Looking for anything they can get. It is called grasping at straws.

I asked this before but didn’t see a response…..

What is the difference between changing the charges mid-trial and double jeopardy? I don’t see much difference. Why does the prosecution have the ability to change course simply because they failed to meet the burden of proof in the original charge? Is this a common practice??

Allegedly, in Florida, it is to protect your civil rights. Thats BS.

In reality, it almost guarantees a conviction if SOME sort. This is why Florida's prisons are overcrowded, and I believe their current time now is 3 or 4 to 1.

They have a schedule of lesser included charges, so, if a jury doesn't find you guilty of something, they have to go down this list and check off things till they get to something that they think applies.

There is no, Murder 2, guilty, not guilty, or aquit anymore. That is what the defense asked for.

Instead, they are including not only adult charges, but all the child/minor charges they can link up.

I think she will throw out the murder3 child abuse. It requires intent. She didn't seem to like or agree with that, and hinted as much.

reply to post by Libertygal


Wait....did she agree to keep the child abuse charge or strike it? (watching at work)

Seems like the prosecutions knows it lost its original charge...

Now they are deferring to the "Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime" mentality

The FOX commentators have brought up a point that I was thinking...

the judge mentioned to West:

"If I have made a mistake, then you can SURELY appeal and get this overturned."

Hmmm...was this her plan all along? So that the riots are "not on her head"?

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Wait....did she agree to keep the child abuse charge or strike it? (watching at work)

She recessed lunch on it, said she will look it up. She questioned the word "intentional", stating it was not on the Information. (Indictment)

She told West to work on over lunch.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Wait....did she agree to keep the child abuse charge or strike it? (watching at work)

No ruling yet on the third-degree murder charge (child abuse). Arguments will continue when court resumes at 1pm EST.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
reply to post by Libertygal

 

Wait....did she agree to keep the child abuse charge or strike it? (watching at work)

She is taking the lunch recess to look it over and will have her decision when they come back at 1pm.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
The FOX commentators have brought up a point that I was thinking...

the judge mentioned to West:

"If I have made a mistake, then you can SURELY appeal and get this overturned."

Hmmm...was this her plan all along? So that the riots are "not on her head"?

That is my thinking, she doesn't want to be responsible for anything that may get GZ an acquittal. So she is doing what she can to help the prosecution and then when GZ gets it overturned on appeal it is on some other judges head.

Does it seem like Judge Nelson has been siding with the prosecution the whole time?