The Zimmerman Trial

reply to post by LeatherNLace

person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows

Read it, it has to be all 3 to apply. Notice the repeatedly. it says and not or

Originally posted by coop039

Originally posted by conspiracy nut

Originally posted by muse7
So let me get this straight....

Trayvon Martin was walking through a gated community...George Zimmerman decides to follow him while carrying a gun with him...the 911 dispatcher advises Zimmerman not to follow but he follows trayvon anyway...the two get into a fight...a fight that could have been prevented if Zimmerman had controlled himself and not followed martin. and now Trayvon martin is dead.

How George Zimmerman can claim he killed martin in self defense is beyond me really. It was him that instigated the fight and he ended the fight by killing Martin.

I hope they lock up this POS for a long time.

pretty much my sentiments. we are entitled to our opinions, if the jury finds him not guilty on all counts so be it. if he is convicted people on this thread will probably have a panic attack.

DIdnt GZ say that TM saw his gun during the struggle and said "you gonna die tonight"? If so GZ grab his gun to save himself. And perhaps he shot to save himself and get TM off of him. Maybe he didnt shot to kill, but just to save himself. If I was fight someone and they suddenly had access to a gun and told me I was going to die I would get the gun myself and do what I need to do in order to live.

that is another one of georges inconsistencies, he never brought that up again and neither did his defense team.

reply to post by LeatherNLace


Err NOOO. That is stalking and number 2 requires is for repeated following this was 1 instance.

The prosecution would have used stalking if it was applicable.

Since the FACTS presented so far in this case are so "black and white" so to speak, I've pretty much drawn my own conclusion as to how it should turn out. Whether or not it does turn out that way remains to be seen, I certainly won't be rioting in the streets should it not go the way *I* think it ought to.

That said, I'm still left with a bit of an existential crisis, between Lil' Wayne's t-shirts (from way-back-when) and the rhetoric spewed forth on the preceding 200+ pages of this thread, I don't know if I'm a cracker or a honky.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

Maybe he is like me. I don't think in street names. I can't tell you the names of streets, I think in terms of landmarks. Maybe that makes me stupid, and maybe you will laugh, go ahead. I will say "Turn at the town hall", I couldn't tell you the name of the road.

That's human psychology Broseph. Usually, people will think in two ways. The ways you just explained. Names or landmarks. That's why people can't understand directions half of the time.

MOTF!

Did anyone not notice that while West gave his narrative of the events, neither the judge nor the prosecution gave him any argument? He gave the truth, and the story was true.

All the prosecution cares about now is that the jury finds *anything* to hang him on.

At least with the child abuse issue, she said that it wasn't on the Information. (Indictment)

She made an error refusing the argument in limine.

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See, that's the point! Everybody on this thread has a opinion. But, the opinion can be in "reasonable doubt" to another person posting.

Beyond reasonable doubt is the standard of evidence required to validate a criminal conviction in most adversarial legal systems.

Generally the prosecution bears the burden of proof and is required to prove their version of events to this standard. This means that the proposition being presented by the prosecution must be proven to the extent that there could be no "reasonable doubt" in the mind of a "reasonable person" that the defendant is guilty.[

this case is sooooo in "reasonable doubt"

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Honker.

You're welcome.

MOTF!

Originally posted by Grimpachi
reply to post by LeatherNLace

 

Err NOOO. That is stalking and number 2 requires is for repeated following this was 1 instance.

The prosecution would have used stalking if it was applicable.

edit on 11-7-2013 by Grimpachi because: (no reason given)

And again, it would be required language on the Information.

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Yes, my father thinks in street names, we can never understand each other's directions. It's a good thing they invented GPS

Originally posted by conspiracy nut
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

oh yeah he was "going to the store" where is the map that shows that the gated neighborhood was on his route to and from the store?

Who cares, really?

If he had a concealed carry license he is free to walk down any street. And like you or me, he's under no obligation to explain to anyone why he's walking the streets....it's a free country....he just happened to be walking armed.

Anyone who can honestly look at Zimmerman and think that this pudgy little guy would walk down a dark alley and confront a 6ft tall black guy (he didn't know it was a kid) and start an altercation is not being intellectually honest. Gun or no gun, he doesn't appear to be some tough guy looking for trouble. I'm sure the jury agrees....

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Without a doubt in my mind, GZ is guilty of #2. IMO, like a predator, GZ profiled, stalked and killed his prey.

"Predator"? "Prey"? Oh man this is great.
What a great hunter GZ is, following someone ending up getting beat up only to reach for his gun in a last effort to save his life. Such a hunter.

If humanity had more hunters like GZ in the prehistoric era I doubt we'd still be a species.

According to a tweet I saw on another site, bomb threat in building across the street from where the trial is being held. Evacuations taking place.

No threat in Zimmerman building.

Kathi Belich, WFTV
@KBelichWFTV

Bomb threat at CIVIL courthouse in
#Sanford across from City Hall. Not
#Zimmermanon9 courthouse.
Evacuations happening.
@KRayWFTV otw.

11:23 AM - 11 Jul 2013

Originally posted by InstantRemedy

Originally posted by LeatherNLace
Without a doubt in my mind, GZ is guilty of #2. IMO, like a predator, GZ profiled, stalked and killed his prey.

"prey"? Oh man this is great.
What a great hunter GZ is, following someone ending up getting beat up only to reach for his gun in a last effort to save his life. Such a hunter.

If humanity had more hunters like GZ in the prehistoric era I doubt we'd still be a species.

Yes, GZ is such a predator!

I'd be terrified if he was following me.

Apparently he wasn't very scary if a young kid turned around and B-slapped him, mounted him and dribbled his head like a basket ball.

Originally posted by Libertygal
According to a tweet I saw on another site, bomb threat in building across the street from where the trial is being held. Evacuations taking place.

No threat in Zimmerman building.

Saw that and also saw where police are speculating that that threat might be to draw security away from Zimmerman building.

Originally posted by seabag

Yes, GZ is such a predator!

I'd be terrified if he was following me.

Apparently he wasn't very scary if a young kid turned around and B-slapped him, mounted him and dribble his head like a basket ball.

Why are you saying such horrible things?
GZ SHOT him! TM was 17!
How dare you resort to facts when you have these two details?

Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

Looks like they are going to list 2nd Degree Murder on the charge list for the jury, but the list the lesser charges after it.

I hate that.

Originally posted by MessOnTheFED!
Just caught the last 2 minutes or so of the trial before they went and played on the playground. Are they changing the charges or something?

Looks like it. They are grasping at straws now. What a farce.

Maybe the prosecution are changing their depends, cause it looks like they screwed the pooch on this one.

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Not only a great hunter, but quite the fast thinker too, since he'd all ready called the police and knew they would be showing up at any moment.

Doesn't leave much time for him to find, finish stalking and kill his "prey", stage the scene, clean up DNA and prints, injure himself etc, all the while keeping a look-out for the soon-to-arrive police and other possible eye-witnesses, and at the same time making sure NONE of the physical evidence is un-disputeable.

Amazing!