The Zimmerman Trial

ok guys, i missed the last 2ish hours of the trial.

im not sure if the videos are up on youtube yet... but what happened exactly after TM's father took the stand?

reply to post by IvanAstikov


You don't get the point.

A lot of people still do get their information from them. There are a lot of ignorant people that believe everything they hear. We know that so we need to do something to make sure they are getting accurate information. Politicians have been taking advantage of this forever.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


You are out of your mind!

He said "If I had a son he would look like Trayvon" and you think it was just a message to say we are watching you?

Yeah right.

Also Obama has FAR surpassed the depths of George Bush.

reply to post by MrWendal


He did today and exactly what I told you was brought up. He heard the tape first and he said it wasn't his son.
He was squirming to avoid admitting that today.

I knew this and was explaining it to you. Maybe you can stop asking me the same question now that it's officially on record in the trial eh?

reply to post by FlyersFan


Every civilian I know that carries keeps an extra in the chamber. It's stupid not to. If you get into a bad situation you might not have time to load one.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


This is why you are biased. The media has convinced you that Zimmerman is a sociopath. He isn't and when you realize that you start realizing how unlikely some of the things insinuated about zimmerman actually are.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


Admittedly.. that's an hilarious idea.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Originally posted by FlyersFan
MY NOTE ... prosecution is being snotty and frustration is evident.

That's how the defense seemed when they were cross-examining. They wear the same shoes, at different times.

I really don't think that's true at all. I think West kept his cool with Jeantel when I would have eaten a bullet.
The defense have owned this trial. I haven't ever heard them get frustrated with any witnesses. I have seen them get upset with the judge for being a biased abomination to the justice system, but not the witnesses.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by tjack

 

It also goes to prove that he fired consciously and deliberately, and not while he was in genuine fear for his life. If that was the case, all his training instincts would have kicked in and Trayvon would have been riddled with bullets. Face the harsh truth, George shot him once when he didn't have to, just to ensure there was one less witness. He knew the drill about fielding questions and knew he just had to keep a clear head and fit his story to what he already knew and claim anybody else was mistaken.

edit on 8-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)

NAHP wrong doesn't show that.
You are a brit so you probably don't have much experience with firearms. I do. Every shot is a VERY conscious pull of the trigger. Even in exciting moments.
That loud shot, and the nerve it takes to pull the trigger once doesn't just open the door for unloading the magazine. Also Martin going limp probably had an effect too. The fact he fired shows he was in fear for his life, the fact he didn't fire again shows he stopped the threat.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by jrod

 

Why wouldn't he want to kill him? Trayvon was supposedly just beating the crap out of him and had just told him he was going to die." He'd be entitled to be angry and vengeful at that point. At that stage, if he's told the truth about what happened, he's got every right to respond with extreme prejudice, so the question is, why didn't he? It's not because he had any underlying sympathy for assholes who attacked him out of the dark.

Because Zimmerman isn't a sociopath! Why is that so hard for you guys to understand. Most people don't want to kill the person that hit them or caused them a problem, they just want it to stop. You think Zimmerman SHOULD want to kill Martin for beating him up?

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Ironically when I called him on parroting the MSM at the start of this thread he was the one that said he formed his own opinions and wasn't repeating their lines at all.

I doubted that that obviously. I don't understand why anyone would want to take the MSM's word for anything. Everyone should watch the trial and form their own opinions if they are interested in commenting on it at all.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by UnBreakable

 

Which of the 4 people in the room would have been most likely to be going through extreme mental turmoil? I'll give you a clue - it's not Serino or Singleton and Brandy Green is the least likely of the remaining 2. He shouldn't be the one expected to ask for a second hearing in the moments immediately after hearing his son shot dead. Confirmation of what his answer to the question Serino asked was, should have been carried out before Tracy Martin left the room, however long he needed to compose himself. Especially with such an ambiguous response that obviously need clarifying.

edit on 8-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)

The point is moot. Witnesses (acquaintances) from each side will say it's their man yelling for help. TM's father just messed up when he initially said that wasn't TM's voice and realized his mistake later, even though you are concocting scenarios where he either didn't understand the question because of emotion or the 2 cops are lying. If it was TM I would think he would be yelling "Don't shoot" if he knew the gun was trained on him rather than "Help", since he was on top of Zimmerman and controlling the struggle.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
The state would then just bring in an expert to testify about HOW that drug affects a person. The most Trayvon would have done is laugh at George and ask him for something to eat.

Peace, man...

He wouldn't have asked GZ for something to eat. He already had Skittles to satisfy the munchies

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by hounddoghowlie

 

I resent the accusation and state here and now ftr that it wasn't my intention. You can believe what you want, I'm not interested in your opinion on this specific aspect anymore.

I'll just leave you with a reference to the word "goon" that is not my own.

“That was a kid with a future, a kid with folks that care. Not a goon,” Serino said. “In his mind’s eye, he perceived you as a threat. He has every right to defend himself.”

Read more here: www.miamiherald.com...=cpy

edit on 8-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)

That was likely Serino quoting the CNN tape and misinterpretting the same. That doesn't prove anything. You might as well have quoted the initial argument from a random poster here.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by ugie1028
Why is Zimmerman on trial again?

Social pressure. Appeasement. And I've read that certain people in the prosecutors office
are planning to run for public office soon. I don't remember which ones. If anyone wants,
they can google around and figure it out ...

Prosecutor Angela Corey was up for re-election and she filed an (allegedley falsified) arrest warrant (that left out the pictures of Zimmerman's wounds - the exculpatory evidence). She saw a chance to help her re-election efforts by appeasing the media manipulated masses by charging Zimmerman.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by MrWendal

 

He did today and exactly what I told you was brought up. He heard the tape first and he said it wasn't his son.
He was squirming to avoid admitting that today.

I knew this and was explaining it to you. Maybe you can stop asking me the same question now that it's officially on record in the trial eh?

Again.. I never asked you anything regarding the father, just the mothers who testified. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by hounddoghowlie

 

I said, for all anybody here knows, he could have been a very accomplished student, NOT that he undoubtedly was. I concede some of my theory about the night's events needs to be revised, now I've had it confirmed beyond all doubt that he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. And, at the end of the day, being a poor fighter doesn't make him honest.

edit on 8-7-2013 by IvanAstikov because: (no reason given)

Wow you went from arguing to me that he was an MMA fighter that could destroy the weak (inexplicably weak due to constant fights and playing football) Martin. Now you wer saying he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag? Actually being a poor fighter does make him appear more honest because it means he was more likely telling the truth about the facts of the struggle.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
PROSECUTION CROSS EXAMINATION - (Martins Father)
"It's hard to believe that he's dead". "He was my best friend" He was the one to ID the body.
Martins father is coming across well. I don't know why the defense put him on.
This makes no sense to me.

They put him on because he KNEW his son was dead and he said "No" that didn't sound like him. Even if you don't want to come to terms with someones death, if you know in reality they ARE dead then you aren't going to lie are be in denial when hearing them. He didn't make a mistake because of shock, he knew his son was dead so it wasn't a refusal of reality.

NOW had he not seen the body, and if they were the only thing being used to say his son was dead THEN I could see him denying the reality, but he KNEW his son was dead and denying the voice wouldn't change that.

Ya dig?