The Zimmerman Trial

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I really like your updates, you catch all that happens and emotions they have as well, you also make some cool responses - very good work - thank you

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They have no regard to truth in the matter, just as long as they get to keep trying to paint the defendant as a horrible child killing monster.

You don't even have a case unless you paint the real victim as a murderous thug who'd try and kill a stranger for no real reason.

Getting into MMA fight poses.

He's also going over the rules and positions of MMA. The main positions he's going over are the pin positions when someone is on top of someone else.

'When you're on top you have gravity working for you, if you're on the bottom you need to use more force to punch upwards.'

Combined with Serino's recall, and this trainers testimony... its really looking bleak for the prosecution.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

 

They have no regard to truth in the matter, just as long as they get to keep trying to paint the defendant as a horrible child killing monster.

You don't even have a case unless you paint the real victim as a murderous thug who'd try and kill a stranger for no real reason.

And the defense could have successfully done that if the biased judge would've let them bring in TM's past.

DEFENSE calls Adam Pollock ... trainer and gym owner where Zimmerman worked out.

Talking about Ground and Pound. It's when an opponent is fought to the ground and you
get on top of them and keep them on the ground ... then strike from the top downwards.

Benefit to getting first blow or punch to opponent. Sometimes first blows end the fight.
So it's important to try to do this.

Pollock giving example of mounting position to the jury at request of defense.

Now talking about how Zimmerman came to the gym to loose weight and get in shape.

now ivan's star witness, the gym owner. for the defense
lets see what he has to say.

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Do'in the best I can.


GYM Owner now talking about Zimmerman taking grappling classes.
This fella is a professional. Business looking. Knows what he's talking about.

He said that Zimmerman had no experience or ability when he arrived at the gym.
On a scale of 1-10 ... he had a point five. Less than one.

(this testimony goes to address the 'concerns' that Martin supporters have about Zimmerman supposedly being a fantastic fighter.)

The owner says he went from .5 to a 1.0 in ability (on a scale of 1-10) in MMA and 'fitness' and athleticism. A person doesn't instantly become a person with professional fighter abilities right away.

Zimmerman wasn't skilled enough to even get int he ring. The owner said he won't put anyone at risk and he won't put people in the ring who could get hurt.

In other words ... Zimmerman wasn't training much and sucked at it. Which is pretty obvious since Martin was able to get on top of him and pound the snot out of him.

Why is the Defense wanting to show that Zimmerman could 'shimmy' from underneath Martin?

Actually I have it answered.

He is showing that he was not well-trained in that art, as lots thought. This is why he felt helpless.

Well done, defense

Trainer just said shortly after the incident that GZ was in a 'continuous state of shock, a human being who went through something traumatizing'. I wonder if murderers feel the same way... Doesn't sound killer-like to me.

MORE FROM THE GYM OWNER

Zimmerman started out grossly obese. He managed to loose weight and was doing well loosing weight. But he was not athletic and didn't 'get far' with boxing. Not even enough to be able to throw effective punches in boxing. Since he didn't get to the point where he could punch, Zimmerman wasn't even taught how to kick yet.

Gym owner saw Zimmerman a few days after the Martin death. Gym owner describes him as having black eyes and scraped up and emotionally traumatized. Gym owner says he's seen this in people who have been through traumatic experiences ... in a state of shock continuing.

Describes Zimmerman as 'non athletic' and 'physically soft'. Predominantly fat. No muscle. Not much strength.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by LeaderOfProgress

 

They have no regard to truth in the matter, just as long as they get to keep trying to paint the defendant as a horrible child killing monster.

You don't even have a case unless you paint the real victim as a murderous thug who'd try and kill a stranger for no real reason.

No one has to be painted as anything other than in an action/reaction type of scenario. Had the deceased have had just a little humility and common sense, rather than a tough guy attituted, he would be alive. That is fact. He chose to confront a situation in which he was not using his head. He incited violence against someone who had the means to stop a violent act towards them or others. None of what I have said paints either person as a murderous anything, but the lesson to be learned by all is that you are not bullet proof no matter how tough you think you are, and that avoidance of confrontation may very well save your life. The deceased wanted to be a feared and "respected" street thug, which doesn't mean murderous, just ignorant. I don't blame the deceased for his own actions entirely also, I blame a lack of solid parenting and social influences for the most part. Mostly the parents though for their inability to know what their child is doing, how he thinks, and not properly instilling a value of nonviolence.

Violence should only be an answer to violence commited on oneself or another, it is a last resort, and only an option once the ability prevent or avoid it has been exauhsted.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Why is the Defense wanting to show that Zimmerman could 'shimmy' from underneath Martin?

i would think to back up where GM said he tried to squirm to get his head off the concrete and when he saw Good.
it at the 9:36 mark or so in the reenactment.

PROSECUTION REBUTTAL -

Zimmerman went to the gym for one year. Took some time off. Then came back again.
Gym owner doesn't know if Zimmerman worked out anywhere else. Doubts it. His facility
has everything so he doesn't see why anyone would need to go elsewhere.

Zimmerman lost approximately 50-80 pounds.

Gym Owner says he's not going to teach people strategies if they don't have fundamentals.
ZImmerman didn't have fundamentals.

gym owner, he wasn't a accomplished athlete, he was a beginner.
boom that does away with the bada@@ mma fighter that some would have you believe.
hunh? ivan.

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Also, prosecution is trying to make Zimmerman more proficient than he actually was.. which is strange. the Gym owner is saying that GZ has little to no fighting skills.

If I was on the prosecutions side, I would be angry as hell. They are bombing this case so bad, its ridiculous.

I guess this is what a case looks like when the state has nothing.

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Also, prosecution is trying to make Zimmerman more proficient than he actually was.. which is strange. the Gym owner is saying that GZ has little to no fighting skills.

If I was on the prosecutions side, I would be angry as hell. They are bombing this case so bad, its ridiculous.

I guess this is what a case looks like when the state has nothing.

I think the state is trying to enhance GZ's MMA proficiency so they can say GZ could have controlled the situation through physical prowess rather than using the gun.

Reply to above:

Yes... that's what they're trying to do but its not working.

And with the Gym Owner (im sorry, im bad with names) being excused, 15 minute recess.

Originally posted by ugie1028
I guess this is what a case looks like when the state has nothing.

Honestly it looks like they have given up. They were snotty this morning and mocked the witness' and had frustration in their voices ... and now they aren't asking the important questions .. like 'could Zimmerman have handled himself if someone tried to ground and pound him?'

Originally posted by ugie1028
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Also, prosecution is trying to make Zimmerman more proficient than he actually was.. which is strange. the Gym owner is saying that GZ has little to no fighting skills.

If I was on the prosecutions side, I would be angry as hell. They are bombing this case so bad, its ridiculous.

I guess this is what a case looks like when the state has nothing.

Like I have been saying all along, the state has only hearsay and conjecture, backed by no concrete or solid evidence. If this gets a conviction then the entire judicial system is not just broken, it has totally melted down into an unrecoverable cesspool of media corruption and public opinion based on a bias media's agenda.

Opinion - Zimmerman Trial is Already Over

Prosecutors in the George Zimmerman second degree murder trial have pushed hard on two points as they seek to make their case against him: that the injuries to Zimmerman on the night Trayvon Martin died were “insignificant” and that he had studied Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law in a college class in 2010.

To win conviction on second-degree murder, the prosecution has to show that the death was caused by a criminal act “demonstrating a depraved mind without regard for human life.”

That’s why the prosecutor keeps pushing the claim that Zimmerman profiled Martin because he was black. Meanwhile, the lesser charge of manslaughter generally is a crime that's been committed in the heat of passion, where there is no premeditation. The jury would have to believe Zimmerman lost his temper in shooting Martin.

Murder two - has to show that the death was caused by a criminal act by a depraved mind ...
Manslaughter - has to show the killing happened when Zimmerman lost his temper.

The state has proven neither.