The Zimmerman Trial

reply to post by kdyam


Martin supposedly repeatedly punched Zimmerman and slammed Zimmerman's head repeatedly into the sidewalk... There would be something on Martin's hands/cuffs/sleeves... But there was NOTHING.

We'll see what the jury decides.

The more I think about this, the more I'm beginning to believe that we haven't heard what really happened at all.

This DNA report shows that something about Z's various accounts is VERY suspicious.

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he WAS NOT A COP, and should not have been out patrolling the neighborhood.

Maybe it is time for a movement to end or make it against the law to have neighborhood watches. Facts will probably show that watches have never reduced crime.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


Have you seen the length trayvon kept his nails? Could there ot have been material that was wiped away, or even as you imply is possible: he didn't scrape him at all.

Originally posted by roadgravel

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he WAS NOT A COP, and should not have been out patrolling the neighborhood.

Maybe it is time for a movement to end or make it against the law to have neighborhood watches. Facts will probably show that watches have never reduced crime.

As long as we have HOAs we will have neighborhood watches. The HOAs are really what we need to get rid of.

Originally posted by XTexan
As long as we have HOAs we will have neighborhood watches. The HOAs are really what we need to get rid of.

We are in a really high crime area. We have a neighborhood watch. I"m glad we do.
I wouldn't want to get rid of it. We've never had confrontations. Just neighborhood watches
who call in suspicious activities. And ... there are a lot of them here. Lots of break ins.

Trayvon's pants weren't provided for dna and any other evidence gathering process because they would have clearly shown that Trayvon was never mounting George mma style.



ps. No self-respecting burglar goes out wearing light coloured trousers.

reply to post by IvanAstikov

Eyewitness testimony from John Good ... sworn in court ... says Martin was on top of Zimmerman.
The gun went off point blank range while Martin was on top. It's just the way it is.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

Eyewitness testimony from John Good ... sworn in court ... says Martin was on top of Zimmerman.
The gun went off point blank range while Martin was on top. It's just the way it is.

and no mater what someone wants to sling.

somethings will never change.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

Eyewitness testimony from John Good ... sworn in court ... says Martin was on top of Zimmerman.
The gun went off point blank range while Martin was on top. It's just the way it is.

There's eye witness evidence that Trayvon was above George at one point. It was too dark for him to see clearly enough to claim he saw any punches thrown, or heads being slammed, and he didn't hear any sounds that corresponded to such activity.

The rest of your post nobody actually saw, so it's nothing like the way it is.

Will this thread have reached 300 pages by Friday morning? I hope not. See you all then!

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

It's establishing Trayvon'd dna was nowhere on the gun, despite George claiming he held it at one point. If George obviously imagined Trayvon held it, or lied about him holding it, there goes his "reasonable fear" claim.

Except that the gun contained blood from Trayvon, but not that of an officer who handled the gun.
Another witness (specialist) testified that the gun was against Trayvon's hoodie when it was fired...in direct contact. Close quarters, no? What does that say? It was a prosecution witness, but the evidence supports Zimmerman's version of events more than not.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by UnBreakable

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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I personally think that Trayvon seemed so suspicious because he was either casing the area or under the influence of cough syrup which he openly discussed abusing on his facebook page.

I didn't know about the cough syrup. Funny he had Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea on his person. Cough syrup + Skittles + Arizona Iced Tea are used to make a street drug called "Lean". Interesting.

therealrevo.com...

Are you saying he was on it or about to make it? If it's the former, that means George can't even beat up an intoxicated skinny teenager, if it's the latter, what does it have to do with anything?

It goes to character... What if Zimmerman was a junkie, just wasn't high at the time. That would be relevant...very relevant relating to judgement as well as character.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
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Ahhhh ... okay. I didn't get that Zimmerman had said Martin held the gun.
I didn't catch that when the police interviews with him were played.
I can't picture Martin getting a hold of the gun and letting go ..... that doesn't make sense.

Do we have a link to Zimmermans comment that Martin held the gun?
Anyone ....???? I'd like to read it. Thanks ahead of time.

At one point early on George stated that Martin grabbed the gun...later he "clarified" by stating he thought Martin was making an attempt to grab the gun. This was from the Media today, so take it for what it's worth.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
No blood from Zimmerman on the cuffs of Trayvon's sleeves... Hmmm...

That does not really mean anything. More meaningful would be blood being present, granted. The lack of blood really doesn't actually prove anything beyond the shadow of doubt.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
No blood from Zimmerman on the cuffs of Trayvon's sleeves... Hmmm...

Trayvon picked himself clean of all George's dna before he died and threw the evidence on a rooftop.

This is not CSI...not a TV program, nor is it a movie. Methinks you watch too much TV.

Originally posted by conspiracy nut

Originally posted by FlyersFan
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All reasons why I am in the manslaughter camp at this point. He didn't identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He didn't stay in his car. He followed Martin. He was armed even though neighborhood watch people are told not to. All those things are legal for him to do ... but they were the opposite of what he should have done and so the situation happened. All legal .. so I don't know if he can be convicted of manslaughter. That's why I say he's at least morally responsible.

all good points! i also believe his inconsistent statements, his criminal education and self defense classes, combined with the insignificant injuries, will influence the jury into finding him guilty of manslaughter.

Except he hasnt been charged with Manslaughter, and the DA would have to ask for the charge in order to get a verdict. This would represent a significant loss of face for the DA to, in effect, admit they didnt have the evidence to go to get a 2nd degree murder conviction. Just depends on whether they want to swallow their pride or not.

Even then, there is no guarantee there would be a conviction of manslaughter.

Originally posted by roadgravel
In order to be permitted to carry a firearm a person should know the law well. In fact, that is part of the permit process, learning the law.

And, according to law, the nature of the injuries are not pertinent to self-defense. One does not need to wait until you are almost dead to pull the trigger...one only has to have reasonable fear for one's safety in order to defend oneself.

Everyone keeps referring to Z's meager injuries as though the seriousness of the injuries determines whether it can be considered self-defense. Not true. Established in court today.

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because "flashing a gun" is a felony(brandishing) in most states especialy if you have a ccw(it only comes out to shoot some one) this isnt Hollywood you dont just point guns at people willy nilly unless your going to shoot them,only people i regularly see pointing guns at other people are idiots on youtube and police apprehending a suspect(and for them it makes limited sense)

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Zimmerman's DNA, not blood. That's what I heard, anyway.

Have you figured out the point of all this 'stain this and stain that' DNA stuff?
I don't understand why we are having to hear all this. It's Martin and Zimmerman blood.
I think we all know that.

George was underneath Trayvon AND on top of him. His own blood was everywhere, but none got on Trayvon, which means he never had the injuries during the "fight" and immediately after the shooting. They happened some time after he got off Trayvon, which is why the blood flow is still fresh in the photo of the back of his head.

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Where is the proof that Z was on top of Martin?
Regardless of whether there is DNA on Martin's clothing, the state's witness stated that the gun was in contact with the hoodie when it was fired...direct contact. Ergo they were in close quarters.
Think about it for a moment.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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Exactly. As if the forensics people are incompetent... That's really stretching.

The incompetent ones were at Sanford PD. They may have contaminated the evidence enough to let a murderer get away with his crime. And, they may not have.

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Ahh yes....guilty until proven innocent.

Just forget that most of the prosecutions witnesses have been better witnesses for the defense....just forget all that.

There is very little compelling evidence to convict Z at this point....the prosecution rests it's case and the defense is up. My money is on "not guilty" 10-1 on the 2nd degree murder charge.