The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
George was underneath Trayvon AND on top of him. His own blood was everywhere, but none got on Trayvon, which means he never had the injuries during the "fight."

If George was on top then his blood would have dripped onto the outer hoodie. But his DNA or blood or whatever (can't remember) was on the shirt UNDERNEATH. Which is really strange. It didn't soak through or it would have been on the top hoodie. But it wasn't. Perhaps the top hoodie raised up during the tussle and left the bottom shirt exposed a bit??? Dunno. Speculation ....

reply to post by IvanAstikov


That's an absurd argument. People saw him being beaten AND the cops and people were coming out. He had no time to injure himself plus there would be evidence of it.

All of the theories about Zimmerman faking the whole thing are out of complete desperation and delusion.

reply to post by FlyersFan


This DNA ting is also a very boring, hope we get some more action soon
I watch it live on the link you left earlier - do you have a good link to a better livestream feel free to share .

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by MrWendal

 

She said he was "beside" his house AND he stayed on the phone with her for several minutes after saying that.

So you are saying to me he took off running to safety but then quit before he got there? He got beside his house, but couldn't have made it inside in the several minutes he stayed on the phone with the girl?

The point is, even if he was "beside" his house, the several minutes he stayed on the phone would have been ample time to make it inside. Also the mom or Tracy's girlfriend one said he was on the porch (another inconsistency on their side).

That tells me either he ran home and waited rather than going inside OR he ran to find an advantageous place to wait rather than running to safety because he was scared.

You can argue, but you know evidence and common sense are on my side.

Awesome argument made!!

I had always wondered why Trayvon never went home, "since he was so afraid of Zimmerman"....your point is extrmely valid. If he was being chased, how is it that he ran and then hid in some bushes to later jump out on him?

reply to post by FlyersFan


It could have been anything. It could have been some kind of spray or something transferred from Trayvon's fist, or anything.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

That's an absurd argument. People saw him being beaten AND the cops and people were coming out. He had no time to injure himself plus there would be evidence of it.

All of the theories about Zimmerman faking the whole thing are out of complete desperation and delusion.

One person saw them wrestling. He wouldn't swear on his mother's life that he could see any blows being landed, or that George had any actual injuries at that moment. If Trayvon could supposedly do all that damage in a 30 second beat-down, George had ample time.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I know... Very strange. Z's blood was all over, should have been dripping out his nose or head onto Martin, but NO Zblood on Martin at all...

Maybe all the Z blood stains dropped to his jacket after Z got off of Martin. It still seems very strange to me that NO blood was found on Martin.

Comment from the blog...

"It appears more likely that GZ had his gun drawn when TM punched him in the nose & he was knocked to the ground hitting his head & getting the small scratches to his head. Then TM followed that up trying to pin GZ to protect himself & GZ pulled the trigger killing TM."

reply to post by IvanAstikov


Not ample time to make marks that no one could distinguish as self inflicted, and get rid of the evidence. Also when the fight broke out no one knew at first, people were already on their way to him when the fight was over.

I think someone would have found evidence of him inflicting injuries on himself and ALSO I think he would have probably inflicted more than two cuts. Hell half the time you guys are arguing he wasn't hurt enough the other half you are saying he hurt himself to justify self defense. If he was faking it then why wouldn't he make it where there was no question?

That's the end of my discussing that stupid idea though. No one has indicated it could be self inflicted.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Nice try, but Martin was on top of Zimmerman, not the other way around.
There wasn't blood from Zimmerman on Martin because he was on top, there was a spot of Martin's blood in Zimmerman from falling down.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Nice try, but Martin was on top of Zimmerman, not the other way around.

Zimmerman has said that after the shot, he got on top of Trayvon and spread his arms and held him down.

There wasn't blood from Zimmerman on Martin because he was on top,

If Martin was punching and grabbing Z's head (as Z has said) there would be DNA and blood under Martin's fingernails and on Martin's shirt cuffs. There was none.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

Nice try, but Martin was on top of Zimmerman, not the other way around.
There wasn't blood from Zimmerman on Martin because he was on top, there was a spot of Martin's blood in Zimmerman from falling down.

GZ says that after he shot TM he got on him and pinned his arms down, if GZ was bleeding from the nose at that point there should be blood on the back of TM's hoodie.

Gorgone's Report

All the defence have got is a challenge on the evidence gathering process.

Simple matter is, the dna expert found George's dna everywhere except on Trayvon, despite George supposedly already having sustained several blood-inducing injuries and having been all over Trayvon after shooting him.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


Exactly. As if the forensics people are incompetent... That's really stretching.

Originally posted by roadgravel

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

All reasons why I am in the manslaughter camp at this point. He didn't identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He didn't stay in his car. He followed Martin. He was armed even though neighborhood watch people are told not to. All those things are legal for him to do ... but they were the opposite of what he should have done and so the situation happened. All legal .. so I don't know if he can be convicted of manslaughter. That's why I say he's at least morally responsible.

I agree!!

That seems to be the sentiment: the criminals have the upper hand, and law-abiding citizens should not 'get in their way'.



Interesting point but if TM started it then that doesn't matter. GZ had the right to walk around and look at someone on the property.

Are people now to be afraid to live their life because of thugs. The gangs are already doing that to some communities. Don't go out because they could be trouble.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by IvanAstikov

 

Exactly. As if the forensics people are incompetent... That's really stretching.

The incompetent ones were at Sanford PD. They may have contaminated the evidence enough to let a murderer get away with his crime. And, they may not have.

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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Martin would only have DNA under his fingernails if he had scratched Zimmerman. Punching is quite different from scratching as when you form a fist your nails are generally retraced into the palm of your hand. When you hold someones head down you are using your palms and extended fingers, once again not your fingernails. It is not odd that there was not any DNA under his nails or on his shirt sleeve.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by roadgravel

Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by conspiracy nut

 

All reasons why I am in the manslaughter camp at this point. He didn't identify himself as neighborhood watch to Martin. He didn't stay in his car. He followed Martin. He was armed even though neighborhood watch people are told not to. All those things are legal for him to do ... but they were the opposite of what he should have done and so the situation happened. All legal .. so I don't know if he can be convicted of manslaughter. That's why I say he's at least morally responsible.

I agree!!

That seems to be the sentiment: the criminals have the upper hand, and law-abiding citizens should not 'get in their way'.



Interesting point but if TM started it then that doesn't matter. GZ had the right to walk around and look at someone on the property.

Are people now to be afraid to live their life because of thugs. The gangs are already doing that to some communities. Don't go out because they could be trouble.

the thing is trayvon wasn't committing any crime! george zimmerman was doing his neighborhood watch duty, he reported a "suspicious" person, he should have left it at that. he disobeyed 2 parts of his neighborhood watch duties, 1. he was armed, 2. he followed trayvon. zimmerman had criminal law classes he should have known full well that he WAS NOT A COP, and should not have been out patrolling the neighborhood.

reply to post by kdyam

If you are grabbing someone's bald head to forcibly slam it against the ground, the chances not one nail would scrape the surface of that head seems remarkably slim.