British Muslims Laughing At The Murder Of Lee Rigby (Video)

Originally posted by dam00

Originally posted by mideast

I suppose these animals only reprasent a minority of the muslim comunity in Britain,

If so , then why you posted this thread ?

I was curiouse to know how many would condem it on ATS

Not everyone sits around all day frothing at the mouth over Muslims.

Hey, remember when the Muslims weren't the enemy? No? Well just go back to the early 80's when the U.S and British special forces assisted the Afghanistanis to rid the Red Bear from their land.

There's always a boogeyman, it's currently the muslims!!!

They can laugh if they want, that's what is so great about freedom of speech. You may not agree with it, but in a civilised world, it's what we have.

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
I suppose everyone that cheered and laughed when Margret Thatcher
died are a bunch of animals too??

If you want respect when you die, act respectful and don't meddle in
other peoples lives.

Seems natural.

lets see how many laugh and cheer when Bush or Chenney die. I guess we
will all be a bunch of animals.

I see youre quick to defend them rather than condone

Originally posted by mideast
Because Muslims have long term experience in war and misery.

Yes, Muslims have been slaughtering and repressing each other for decades. All these suicide bombers blowing themselves up in markets in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iraq are only killing Muslims. Repression of women is a sport in some Muslim countries.

To the OP. He was not wearing a seatbelt. That’s reason enough to track him down.

Regards

Originally posted by dam00

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
I suppose everyone that cheered and laughed when Margret Thatcher
died are a bunch of animals too??

If you want respect when you die, act respectful and don't meddle in
other peoples lives.

Seems natural.

lets see how many laugh and cheer when Bush or Chenney die. I guess we
will all be a bunch of animals.

I see youre quick to defend them rather than condone

Do i defend their right to thoughts and feelings??? ahhh ya i do.

Do i want to police thoughts and feelings? no because that would
be draconian and quite similar to what Hitler wanted.

Stay out of peoples lives and maybe nobody will laugh when YOU die.

Mind your own business tough guy.

Originally posted by FirstCasualty

Originally posted by dam00

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
I suppose everyone that cheered and laughed when Margret Thatcher
died are a bunch of animals too??

If you want respect when you die, act respectful and don't meddle in
other peoples lives.

Seems natural.

lets see how many laugh and cheer when Bush or Chenney die. I guess we
will all be a bunch of animals.

Y
I see youre quick to defend them rather than condone

Do i defend their right to thoughts and feelings??? ahhh ya i do.

Do i want to police thoughts and feelings? no because that would
be draconian and quite similar to what Hitler wanted.

Stay out of peoples lives and maybe nobody will laugh when YOU die.

Mind your own business tough guy.

mods is this a threat to kill?

Originally posted by symptomoftheuniverse

Originally posted by FirstCasualty

Originally posted by dam00

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
I suppose everyone that cheered and laughed when Margret Thatcher
died are a bunch of animals too??

If you want respect when you die, act respectful and don't meddle in
other peoples lives.

Seems natural.

lets see how many laugh and cheer when Bush or Chenney die. I guess we
will all be a bunch of animals.

Y
I see youre quick to defend them rather than condone

Do i defend their right to thoughts and feelings??? ahhh ya i do.

Do i want to police thoughts and feelings? no because that would
be draconian and quite similar to what Hitler wanted.

Stay out of peoples lives and maybe nobody will laugh when YOU die.

Mind your own business tough guy.

mods is this a threat to kill?

LMAO Why dont you ask me? I wrote it.
the answer is no.
Is the poster i was replying to immortal?
poster will die someday.thats a fact.

reply to post by FirstCasualty

Ok it was the YOU which was threatening lol now i see. So many extremists about it gives you the hebe jebes

Mr. Confusion reporting in again.

I'm confused about why there are any doubts about the people in the car being British Muslims.

I'm confused why posters insist that they aren't breaking laws, when that wasn't the point of the thread.

I'm confused about people not recognizing that this shows there are at least two British Muslims who rejoice in a murder by two other Muslims.

How representative are they? Some people will say, "Oh, there are only two violent Muslims in England and you've just caught them." But then what do we do with:

"Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination." Quran 9:73

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
www.telegraph.co.uk...

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
www.cbsnews.com...&date=2011-04-06
www.webcitation.org...

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
pewresearch.org...=60

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
www.icmresearch.co.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
www.icmresearch.co.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
www.populuslimited.com...
www.danielpipes.org...

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
www.policyexchange.org.uk...
www.danielpipes.org...

There may be more than just those two guys in the car.

reply to post by charles1952


You may be right Charles, but the thing about those polls is they represent not even 1% of all Muslims.

Something is very wrong with people, regardless of religious backgrounds when they can laugh at the Murder of someone innocent.

That is the saddest truth I see.

reply to post by sonnny1

Dear sonny1,

Good points and reasonable.

I have a little more faith in polls than you do, but maybe I'm swayed by some time with statistics as an area of study. You're absolutely right that there not going to nail it to within a couple of percent, and a really poorly designed poll is only good for starting campfires, but you raise a question.

Assume only a teeny-tiny number of violent Muslims exist in Britain. If the Muslim community and the British police and intelligence agencies (not to mention immigration officials) wanted to isolate and get rid of them, how big a problem could it be? They would be easy to identify. It's assumed that the FBI has infiltrated just about every militia and Klan group in the country. If the vast, vast, majority of British Muslims are opposed to violent behavior, then every Mosque should be filled with people willing to report a terrorist.

Is it possible that Britain doesn't want to remove them? If so, it sounds like death by terrorist attack for that beautiful land. Perhaps the Muslims don't want to get rid of them? Ahhh, there you have an interesting situation.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952


We need the WHOLE Muslim Community, not just a small number willing to march hand in hand with Non-Muslims and denounce these types of Murders. Period.

Obviously we cant get our Governments to stop the killings, so the people have to do it. Shed their religious skins and just do it. We need Non-Muslims to put their stereotyping of Muslims in that dark corner of the mind. We need to wake up. Humanity needs to wake up. MHO

reply to post by sonnny1

Dear sonny1,

Complete agreement. Now comes the tough question, how do we get the whole Muslim community to do that? Surely it would not be difficult for the head Muslim (I don't know his title) to say:

"The killing must stop! The hatred must stop! We are in Britain. We can follow our religion, but we have to follow their laws. You haters are painting Allah as a monster, you must stop. We will not tolerate violence from our community, we will help the authorities stop you. It is the will of Allah.

"And to you non-Muslims, we are sorry for the pain we have caused. We must stop hating each other. We will stop. We beg you to stop. If you agree, meet with us. We will gather here in six weeks. We will pray together, bring your religious leaders. We will share games and stories. We will greet you as friends and brothers, Children of God. We will learn from you, you will learn from us. We are all Britons. God Save The Queen!"

I'd pay money to hear that speech.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952


Ever consider on being a Muslim religious Leader?



Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself.

reply to post by sonnny1

Dear sonny1,

Nah, I'm concentrating on trying to be a decent person.

Besides, I'd have to learn a new language, get on my knees five times a day (the old joints, you know) and give up bacon and beer.

Was it Chesterton that said "Beer is proof that God wants us to be happy?"

Seriously though, I have no relatives from the British Isles, but I see it as my country's mother and love it in the same way. I truly want it to stay strong and free, but it's going through some tough times. Maybe that's why I see Australia as kind of a brother. Love them both.

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by charles1952

Is it possible that Britain doesn't want to remove them? If so, it sounds like death by terrorist attack for that beautiful land. Perhaps the Muslims don't want to get rid of them? Ahhh, there you have an interesting situation.

What we don't need is a society based on the principles of McCarthyist America. Haven't any lessons been learned or remembered from that time? Do we need to start getting the public frothing and baying for their neighbours on the pretext of 'what-ifs' and 'maybes?' Sure, statistics are cool for identifying road traffic safety, but they aren't good enough for projecting the thoughts of millions in any emphatic sense.

The very idea of rounding up/evicting people for a thought crime is onerous to many and yet you're as entitled to that view as some minority of Muslims are to hold our values in contempt.

Freedom of speech has some limitations, but freedom of thought should have none. If and when we start the selection process for who can think what and who cannot, we'll be a part of a society facing a darkness...

Originally posted by charles1952
Complete agreement. Now comes the tough question, how do we get the whole Muslim community to do that? Surely it would not be difficult for the head Muslim (I don't know his title) to say:

"The killing must stop! The hatred must stop! We are in Britain. ...”

Unfortunately, the majority of Imams are not British born, so are still fixated on some “outside the UK” religious context. There was a report in 2007, which has probably been updated, but tells a sorry story, that few Imams in Mosques are from Britain or speak English. How the hell do senior religious figures push this message of peace and tolerance, if they don’t understand that the UK is not some medeveal backwater like Pakistan.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Regards

reply to post by Kandinsky

Dear Kandinsky,

I'm sorry to see that you think I'm calling for "thought crimes" and turning people in on suspicion of being different. As far as rounding up and evicting people based on their thought, that is very far from any thing I've imagined or written about. You seem, and forgive me if I misunderstand, to be attacking a position which I don't hold.

My use of statistics was solely to point out that there are not just a very tiny group of Muslims who support violence, and that a problem does exist. Surely that conclusion is unobjectionable?

What I'm trying to explore is how to prevent violent people, in this particular case Muslims, from killing and destroying. That, too, is unobjectionable.

In my proposed speech I offered a way for the Muslim leaders to help stop violence. If the Muslim community takes no steps whatever, then it is up to society to protect itself, and I offered no thoughts on how to do that.

I'll work on writing more clearly.

With respect,
Charles1952

P.s. There were Communists in the government at McCarthy's time, you know. - C -

Religions true goal is to spread, yes that goes for all of them.

They believe they have the " truth" or the correct, righteous way as it were.

The Lee rigby murder was a one off incident, I dont think its even happened before in the UK. It was a nutcase whom came across Radical Islam .

Another thing that comes to mind is that, yes jokes are made about murders. And so on. I mean people try to find humour in everything. I do agree that video needed to be removed because it could incite anger or more of the same thing.
But you cannot stop people from laughing at what they do find funny.

reply to post by sonnny1


haha you cannot force others to think a certain way. Hence the reason people " protest".

When you say what we need is ALL muslims to do yada yada. Its like saying we want ALL christians to do yada yada, it isnt going to happen..

Because within religions there are movements, branches and divisions.