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No. I do not discredit the work because it is not peer reviewed (though pre-publication review is important). The criticism is of the methods and conclusions.
But wait! You discredit their work because it wasn't peer-reviewed? (according to one paper)
What can you tell me about that?
they have appeared more than 300 years ago.
Here's an electrical engineer talking about his work on crop circles, he spoke with the local farmers and they have stated that the crop circles date back decades, their parents have witnessed the appearance of the circles as well.
Fair enough. I didn't mean to ignore it. My apologies.
This is a very simple question.
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by peashooter
Fair enough. I didn't mean to ignore it. My apologies.
This is a very simple question.
1) We know people can and do make crop circles.
2) We know people like fooling people
3) We know people like creating art
4) We know people like making money
5) We don't know of any other agency which can make crop circles.
6) Crop circles have developed over time in complexity.
7) Crop circles, other than the purely abstract designs, seem to follow popular memes.
8) When crop circles are "decoded" they always reflect some sort of current or upcoming event (a warning about a prophesied catastrophe, an threatening astronomical event). Catastrophes which don't occur.
9) There is nothing about crop circles (when the "evidence" is examined with a critical eye) which makes them impossible for people to make. The claims about extraordinary things going on either lack evidence or are completely subjective.
I could probably come up with a few more but does that do it for you?
I don't consider it in the case of alien visitation. But I see the reasoning. If a civiliaztion is capable of travel across interstellar space the idea is that they are thousands, if not millions of years advanced. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that such a civilization would, after such a great period of time, have "matured" technologically. Not to say that they don't advance at all, but that "mundane" things like their spacecraft would seem to reach a certain level of stability in their development. Form follows function...that sort of thing.
I mean, skeptics echo this often and it seems they are coming from a standpoint that aliens would have achieved the pinnacle of technological development, so when they see what looks like progress in "alien tech" they use this to discredit the entire hypothesis.
I would rather try and make my own arguments than regurgitate some crap that skeptics such as yourself have already dismissed anyways.
Originally posted by Skeptico
Crop circles are a beautiful phenomena with plenty of logical explanations of their existence.
It isn't evidence, any more than the claims about non-human origins are.
I still don't find this to be solid evidence that all crop circles are man made, to each their own though.
So to dismiss the entire phenomenon due to increasing complexity is a little short sighted and worth pointing out, imo.