Monsanto can't explain how GMO wheat survived

reply to post by StoutBroux


You know what they say, "Money talks and bullcrap walks". Monsanto has some deep pockets. Insted of hiding the data they'll just buy it up.

-SAP-

If they're too stupid to conduct proper scientific experiments to ensure the genetically modified food is harmless at the cellular level, it only stands to reason that they wouldn't understand how crops propagate in the wild.

Perhaps they should take some science courses in actual biology.

reply to post by Grimpachi


ATS have a few very well known Threads on the subject with plenty of links to medical research, still you do not have to go far to find the prof of what GMOs are doing to our latest generation and the health of Americans.

Since the introduction of GMOs in our food supplies the health of Americas have deteriorated and is only been less than 40 years.

It is a reason why Monspanto is no wanted in many countries that is a big red flag, sadly any research in the US is bound to be manipulated and more often than not banned, but you still can find research done outside the US.

Thanks everyone for the information however I need to do more research before I can come to any conclusion on this subject. The best link IMO that was provided was the study on the rats but as I am sure all of you already know that test was extremely small I expected a much larger control group and follow up tests to see if the results were repeatable I wasn’t very impressed with the control group which they put roundup in their drinking water that was kind of a no brainer to me. I mean that is pretty much what I would expect if not worse.

Anyway I am going to try and find the studies mentioned here that were done outside of the US on this. I probably wasn’t clear enough when I posted but I am primarily interested on studies that affect us as the consumer as in health wise. I have no doubt Monsanto is a corporation with one goal in mind which is profit and they will cut corners or lower standards to reach that goal. I expect that from all corporations. The information I want to obtain is if there are health risks from eating GM foods just what are they. I am hoping that there are studies out there that have shown this.

Again thanks for the info it was interesting and if anyone knows the link to the info I spoke of I would appreciate if they posted it here. Like so many have pointed out there is a lot of information on the web concerning GM foods but as I am sure most of you know there is also a lot of garbage out there as well and unfortunately it can be tiresome wading through it all to find anything factual.

reply to post by PtolemyII


If you consume meat, you shouldn't be talking. Meat contains hormones, pesticides, vaccinations that will do you far more harm than monsanto corn. I don't agree with the idea of GMO produce, as it leaves the crop weaker being they are all essentially clones. You could lose an ENTIRE crop at the exact same time for one reason, which is scary as well if there was say an outbreak of disease amongst that crop every single monsanto crop would suffer from that disease and you would have no crop anywhere.

There hasn't been enough time one way or the other to prove GMO is as terrible as some claim. I am sure it is not any better for you than any of the crap commercial farms have turned out over the years but it's not the worst thing.

Seriously, go look into the meat industry if you want something to get your knickers in a twist over.

Yes I do eat meat.

Oh, and this study only proves glysophate is dangerous, which we all ready know is a carcinogen, mutanogen, and poison.

The worst results were always in the groups that consumed Roundup treated GMO corn, Round up in water(why the # did they do this?), there were even some startling sounding numbers in the "control goups" which were not given Round Up treated GMO corn, or Round up in their drinking water.

You should really look into some of the other pesticides farmers who don't use gmo apply to their fields. Some of them are #ing terrifying. I just got my dispensers license so this is actually a perfect subject for me! GMO itself is not scary for health reasons, it's why they are modifying it. Glysophate kills anything green, depending on the carrier, and detergent it can affect a number of different things in a number of different ways.

It's "supposed" to be safer than most chemicals, but it still can have some nasty effects with long term exposure or ingestion.

The most blatant and evidenced atrocity that Monsatan commits is to force farmers to buy seed from them every year. Commercial seed production is almost exclusively controlled by Monsanto and farmers have little choice from where to buy their seed.

Dare a farmer save Monsanto seed and plant it the next year, a lawsuit will ensue that will ensure total bankruptcy for the farmer. Monsanto diligently checks every farm for seed using "sophisticated" methods that make CSIS, MI6 and the CIA look like "kindies"!!!!

This is not hearsay folks. I live in the "bread-basket" of Canada and this comes straight from my farmer neighbours!!!!

Oh yes!..... and their reps. are sure to be in every rural school, rodeo and festival handing out propaganda and goodies.....


And...as the previous poster alluded to...one must treat "their" seed with "their" fertilizer and then "their" pest/herbicide or the crop fails....Nice vicious circle IMHO.....

Oh well...when SHTF, I will not starve after raiding my neighbours grain bins.....but I might turn into a mutant...

reply to post by Grimpachi

You're gonna have a hard time finding what you're looking for because Monsanto has paid shills online covering up everything that comes out.

For example a Bee Research company called Bee-Logics found that neonicotinoid based pesticides are responsible for Bee deaths, an insecticide widely used in GMO crops. So what did Monsanto do? They bought the research company to hush them up.

If you go on Reddit and other message boards, there are paid shills that try and discredit any Monsanto/GMO's = Evil talk.

IF you travel amongst the farming communities and talk to some of the folks there (Like I do because I am in the process of buying a small hobby farm), they will all tell you they fear and stay quiet about Monsanto and they go with them because of strong arm tactics, law suits, field infestations from neighboring GMO crops. Its an evil monopoly and the farmer's animals and families also get health problems from all the sprays...... Its like they are living in Fear of an Evil corp, one law suit away from having their farms taken.
reply to post by krazykanuk

This is not hearsay folks. I live in the "bread-basket" of Canada and this comes straight from my farmer neighbours!!!! Oh yes!..... and their reps. are sure to be in every rural school, rodeo and festival handing out propaganda and goodies.....

YEah what Krazykanuk above says. There like a bunch of Agent Smith's from the Matrix trying to fit in with all the locals at all the events, even going to Church service, and in their suit pockets the have handouts for new Monsanto products ...and everyone fears these guys cause at the very top they have Billions and Demon-Like Lawyers ready to sue whoever says a peep.

I was even told that if I want to stay on my mini-farm and "keep it", that I shouldn't stir the waters and convice the people to put up a fight.

There's new research of GMO microRNA affecting human DNA in various unknown ways, that just recently came out, which has scary implications. You can google it.

Also Google all the Indian Farmer's that comitted suicide after losing their crops/farms/in debt due to Monsanto bringing in GMO's that failed.

Monsanto is threatening to sue the Government if there is mandatory GMO-labeling on all foods. They don't want the public knowing how F'ed up you will be when you continue to consume their poisons.

There are various smaller studies untainted in Europe and other places in the world. But Monsanto has Internet teams that play PR smear campaigns posting on message boards and coming up with alternative reasons for studies being flawed, etc.

America has become Number 1 in cancer, IQ is way down (Average is now 80 versus 100 just 30 years ago), Autism is through the roof, etc) I guarantee we will look back 20-50 years from now and realize GMO's designed to resist pesticides was a big no no.

There is no 5-10-15-20 year human study of health effects of people eating GMO's.

I'll tell you what. I know your neutral, but if the Monsanto Machine convinces you with all of their purchased studies done by in-house scientists approved by the USDA & FDA which have ex-Monsanto cronies working within their ranks ...then you can always do this .......

Make a documentary of you eating only GMO's(Monsanto/Bayer/Dupont based) for a year while being closely monitored by a doctor. Record it, and let us know how that goes. You will become famous because of it and you will prove that they are either bad, neutral, or good, and you will get so much free press from it, you'll be a star and go down in history books (alive or dead).

How Genetically Modifed Foods Could Affect Our Health in Unexpected Ways
The Rabbit Hole Is VERY DEEP and there is an information War going on all around us

We are getting a little off topic.

I don't understand how Monsatan can plead ignorance on the GMO wheat. It showed up in Europe in a Kraft Mac and Cheese box AND IT WAS LABELED GMO WHEAT!!!!!

They don't know how it got there, but they labeled it on a food product?

www.youtube.com...

These guys are clearly evil.....

reply to post by dominicus


Neo-Nicotinoid's are used on lots of edible crops, being they are nicotine based pesticides, many of them are synthesized into new substances with nicotine being the parent compound.

Nicotine is toxic, to humans, animals and insects it's a great pesticide as it can be broken down and or removed before it gets to human consumers. It's marketed as a natural product, even though it's not, it's 100% chemical and yes it's responsible for be death's because of it's over use.

GMO and Non GMO crops both use Neo-nicotonoids for insecticide.

As an oregonian, I'm pretty pissed about this. Oregons biggest importers of wheat is Japan and Korea(a 300million dollar business) and guess who a day after this find suspended imports of Oregon wheat? Japan.and Korea. This will affect our farmers greatly. How long could this have been growing unknown for? Since 2004?

reply to post by otie1


Funny that 21% of the worlds wheat supply is grown in Canada... Much of that being sold to the US, which then goes.... elsewhere ... lol

Originally posted by Hijinx
There hasn't been enough time one way or the other to prove GMO is as terrible as some claim.

That's sort of what my research showed, though I really haven't found out why bee populations are declining. But here's a source echoing your statement:

www.ucsf.edu...

there’s only one thing both sides can agree on: The science on GMO health effects is inconclusive.

“It’s really a value-laden decision. How do you act in the face of scientific uncertainty?

In the meantime it would be nice if the food was labeled accordingly so the consumers could decide if they want to consume food where the research is inconclusive.

Should the GMO food be guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty, would be one way of phrasing the dilemma.

This concerns me somewhat:

For example, the WHO cited an instance when traces of a maize approved only for animal feed use appeared in maize products for human consumption.

I'd prefer to eat foods that have been approved for human consumption, thank you.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Should the GMO food be guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty, would be one way of phrasing the dilemma.

From the point of view of safety the answer to that question is obvious. But I don't really think it's an equal dichotomy. Something to be included for consideration is, is there any thing in particular about GMO crops that would imply that they pose a health risk.

The fact that they produce their own pesticides? Nope. Virtually all plants produce their own pesticides.

The questionable claim that just by virtue of being genetically modified they can be dangerous? How? We eat the DNA of all kinds of stuff. This is just more DNA, not really different from any other. We don't turn into carrots because we eat carrots, do we?

I think this news is conditioning people to understand that NOTHING will ever happen to monsatan.

Will GMO be banned? Will the company be broken up? Will someone go to jail over this?

No.

If anything there will be a fine for monsatan to pay, and that will be the conclusion into business as usual.

reply to post by Philippines


Calling monsanto, monsatan is neither clever nor trendy so please stop.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


It's not really that different from other foods when you think about it. I can make a strain of pesticide resistant plants through selective breeding. GMO just skips steps and forces the process, the downside being they end up with clones that have a limited genetic pool for future crops.

Bananas are all genetic clones, but you enjoy them probably on a regular basis. They were made so you didn't have to worry about nasty banana seeds in your fruit, but no one ever complains about the bananas.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

Should the GMO food be guilty until proven innocent or innocent until proven guilty, would be one way of phrasing the dilemma.

From the point of view of safety the answer to that question is obvious. But I don't really think it's an equal dichotomy. Something to be included for consideration is, is there any thing in particular about GMO crops that would imply that they pose a health risk.

The fact that they produce their own pesticides? Nope. Virtually all plants produce their own pesticides.

The questionable claim that just by virtue of being genetically modified they can be dangerous? How? We eat the DNA of all kinds of stuff. This is just more DNA, not really different from any other. We don't turn into carrots because we eat carrots, do we?

Really? Virtually all plants produce their own pesticides? Really?

Scientists also claimed DDT was safe... Recent modern science seems to be practiced best in hindsight, after damage is done and money is made, then realize it was not safe for human consumption.

Originally posted by Hijinx
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

It's not really that different from other foods when you think about it. I can make a strain of pesticide resistant plants through selective breeding. GMO just skips steps and forces the process, the downside being they end up with clones that have a limited genetic pool for future crops.

Bananas are all genetic clones, but you enjoy them probably on a regular basis. They were made so you didn't have to worry about nasty banana seeds in your fruit, but no one ever complains about the bananas.

Bananas are all genetic clones? I don't think so, and I have 50+ banana trees around my house.

The banana seeds you will not crunch on because the bananas are harvested green, before the seeds mature. If you let the bananas ripen on the trees you will get hard seeds.

reply to post by Philippines

Really? Virtually all plants produce their own pesticides? Really?

Yes. Really. If they didn't they would not survive long.
www.fortfreedom.org...
www.hort.purdue.edu...
www.botgard.ucla.edu...
www.amnh.org...

Scientists also claimed DDT was safe

DDT is not produced by GMOs but it is classified as moderately toxic to humans so exposure to too much of it is probably not a good idea.

reply to post by Philippines

All widely cultivated bananas today descend from the two wild bananas Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana. While the original wild bananas contained large seeds, diploid or polyploid cultivars (some being hybrids) with tiny seeds are preferred for human raw fruit consumption.[57] These are propagated asexually from offshoots. The plant is allowed to produce two shoots at a time; a larger one for immediate fruiting and a smaller "sucker" or "follower" to produce fruit in 6–8 months. The life of a banana plantation is 25 years or longer, during which time the individual stools or planting sites may move slightly from their original positions as lateral rhizome formation dictates

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Asexual reproduction is a mode of reproduction by which offspring arise from a single parent, and inherit the genes of that parent only; it is reproduction which almost always does not involve meiosis, ploidy reduction, or fertilization. The offspring will be exact genetic copies of the parent

Asexual Reproduction

Cloning—In biology and agriculture, any organism whose genetic information is identical to that of a parent organism from which it was created; natural reproductive processes producing clones include parthenogenesis and apomixis