Steven Greer...Why The Hate?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

It would be a lot easier for you to post a link you're already aware of, than for me to search for it, but you still haven't posted a link, or explained why that source has a colorized version or where that came from.

Right Gr eer was the keynote speaker for this mainstream article.
Talks a lot about classified government projects potentially spawning the UFO reports.

www.newyorker.com...

Not sure why the New Yorker chose a colorized version?
Maybe trying to mimic purple fringing or an artistic dawn effect?

Clearly the original Shell version was done with a reflection though.

You mentioned the glass orb in the cube might be a corner reflector.
So these might be like the reflections in the Davinci Salvator Mundi painting.

But thats off topic unless the corner reflector at the Northport CLS has some special meaning.

That list is like any other opinion on the playas'. Just like assH)les and noses - everybody's got one. a reply to: Arbitrageur


As for Greer, I knew him when he was a Doc at GW, as he likes to continually tell everyone about being a "trauma doctor." Why he left, is still another mystery. He talks about how he got into UFOlogy but I can't remember.

I will take another approach about him , not related to his reputation or many claims to fame. Specifically, I am interested in his claim to be a "contactee" but not an "abductee," mind you. In his world, there are no abductees.

The proposition he makes that ETs are all benevolent and the government of malicious humans is all bad is a half truth within an enigma wrapped around another enigma. Unfortunately, it is wishful thinking that doesn't want to muddy his narrative.

We all agree, the opinion that ETs are here observing, let alone interacting with the USG, is mixed on this board. Suffice it to say, if you don't think either reality is occurring, than you will dismiss Greer as a fraud. From actually working with ET "biology" and synthesis, I actually believe Greer is dangerous and deceptive for reasons independent of the assertion of him being some kind of fraud. I don't think that is actually what the issue is with Greer.

So, take this for what it is worth, and JMHO:

No all species are benevolent - he has to know that . Some pose what can be considered a national security threat and that scares disclosure proponents. Greer is the first to dismiss it and has stated for two decades that all abductions and mutilations are US MIC operations . This is patently false. People in the DIA and contracted programs understand this but Greer continually dismisses this information. Why?

He dismisses all nefarious activities of ETs. That is ridiculous because "we" in the know, just know better. This doesn't mean the truth of disclosure should be negated. Like so many who want the information to come to the public, he has publicly put himself at odds with Elizondo and others. He says they are the real intelligence DISINFORMATION agents. Is he wrong or right? His behavior suggests he doesn't want anyone to steal the limelight. I have opinions on who is "more" right and "less" a liar but no facts.

Lets look at the other assertion Greer makes:

His assertion about the energy , aerospace, and engineering advancements of the US and those who control the programs are absolutely correct. There will be many who love how the man scuttles his own reputation with his own stupidity and ego(?), or arrogance(?), or money grabbing fabrications. Everyone knows there are significant advances in gravity control, materials engineering, reverse engineering programs, zero point energy, theoretical physics that only the military contractors use for weapons of war. Those who say what proof do you have, are never going to get it until either, a) a war breaks out and ends with unveiling of new technologies, b) they witness something they themselves can not explain or dismiss in their lives, or c) they get a special invite into a SAP.

Who has brought forth more whistleblowers than any other man ? Who has created a process and protection for whistleblowers that has ABSOULUTELY advanced the course of disclosure more than anyone? We all know the answer. So, love him or hate him, he is very important.

On the whole, my feeling is Greer will continue to be the tireless self promotor , doing more damage than good to the cause of disclosure. Personally, I really admire some things about the DP in the last two decades, but the charlatan speaks to huge challenges with credibility going forward.
Unfortunate, because he has done a lot of good and invested a huge amount of energy in his lifetime. There is also the troublesome conjecture that intelligence agencies can manipulate agendas, opinions, and the course of dissemination through him. I am neutral but no question many in the Community want to influence his decision making.

a reply to: anthelion

I knew a guy that spent over $100,000 back in the 70's exploring the "new realities" Scientology was offering with their programs. He wasn't a happy customer, claimed it was a waste of his estate.

Greer on the other claims he needs to take you out in the desert to experience what he claims needs to be experienced first hand. A few hundred bucks sounds like cost of doing business if you aren't comfortable navigating yourself.

Greer talks about needing security clearance which might entail drug and felony screening.
Anyone that has traveled route 213 in NM knows the security is pretty tight with no cameras allowed and you are subject to search and confiscation.




Ultimately we might not be organically capable of filtering some of this classified information correctly and it would be nice to know that before we waste the money.

For me it's that he seems gullible as # if even half the things he says are true. Why do I say this? Because he believes all aliens are benevolent and to discard all other claims because the "aliens" told him so. The very concept that alien beings aren't varied in nature and capable of lying and misdirection is absurd to me. It doesn't mean they as individuals are guaranteed to be malevolent, benevolent or neutral, but caution is never a bad state to be in and anyone arguing throwing caution to the wind is a fool to me.

a reply to: Aardwolfington

Greer is likely projecting this benevolence, however maybe he has just been lucky and or the screening process reduces the likelihood of him making contact with a malevolent alien.

a reply to: Skinnerbot

It's the certainty with which he says he it that rubs me the wrong way. Such certainty makes me very suspicious considering I'm not exactly new to the topic. Too much gives me room for pause and doubt to the point that certainty feels like it comes from a hostile source as it's stretches credibility.

a reply to: Aardwolfington He claims he was involved in the moon mission from the 60's and early 70's without giving enough detail. I guess its our choice to perceive that correctly. I knew their was a VLBI collaboration with some Russian and UK children that was part of that mission but its never been documented thoroughly? Greer mentions working with the CIA on the project which makes sense since that was an international venture. Could be I just haven't researched deep enough to catch him in deception. Most children aren't gullible enough to go chew on the MJ12 lore obviously but that is their choice.

That's ridiculous. I don't believe that he ever claimed to be involved with this as a child. But again, he has claimed a lot of things. a reply to: Skinnerbot

a reply to: anthelion

I came across the Greer links looking for information about the Long Island UFO's (for a history lesson).

Greer makes rather grandiose claims that employees who worked in compartmentalized programs do not have legally binding NDA due to US Constitutional law. The US Congress has no authority over international oversight projects for example nuclear non-proliferation or surveillance for that purpose. He has this type 1 civilization idea which by its definition isn't going to be anything the US president or Congress is even going to know about.

Kind of a troll going on there at the 56 minute mark in this video which makes me wonder where he got this stuff?
His Uncle worked for Grumman so maybe he has some old recruitment wounds from his childhood?, they go after the young with some pretty intense screening..

originally posted by: Skinnerbot
Right Gr eer was the keynote speaker for this mainstream article.
Talks a lot about classified government projects potentially spawning the UFO reports.

www.newyorker.com...
...
But thats off topic unless the corner reflector at the Northport CLS has some special meaning.

You lost me on the Northport CLS but thanks for the New Yorker link, I eventually found time to read it, it's a long article.

originally posted by: Skinnerbot
a reply to: anthelion

I came across the Greer links looking for information about the Long Island UFO's (for a history lesson).

Greer makes rather grandiose claims that employees who worked in compartmentalized programs do not have legally binding NDA due to US Constitutional law. The US Congress has no authority over international oversight projects for example nuclear non-proliferation or surveillance for that purpose. He has this type 1 civilization idea which by its definition isn't going to be anything the US president or Congress is even going to know about.

Kind of a troll going on there at the 56 minute mark in this video which makes me wonder where he got this stuff?

First of all, to put Greer in perspective, let's look at the even bigger troll going on in that video at time 44:21 when he shows the picture of his "alien" "friend" "Bijou" from the "Andromeda Galaxy", and while he doesn't mention that relationship in this video and just shows the photo, he does explain he was having "conversations" with "Bijou" in his video "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind" which seems like a 2 hour long infomercial promoting his "CE5 app", where he shows the same "alien photo" at time 1:40:06, which he explains was photoshopped from the original photo of the bush he shows at time 1:40:04

Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind
www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Yes, he is very questionable now,

Indeed, he's still up to his old tricks. Remember the moth that he said was an alien? He didn't show the moth alien in the CE5 video, but he showed what looks to me like some bushes, with some stray light hitting them creating a pattern of reflected light off the leaves, and shadows:

Then by enhancing some pareidolia he outlines the alien, who told Greer his name is Bijou and he's from the Andromeda Galaxy:

Here's a screenshot from the VladTV video at time 44:21 where you can see his alien friend "Bijou" the photoshopped bush, that Greer said in his CE5 video that he talks to, and he says it talks back to him.



The left image looks just like his heavily photoshopped image seen in his CE5 video (Greer admits it's photoshopped!), but I don't know what that image on the right is supposed to be, it looks like another edit of the original video, but obviously it's not the same original he showed in his CE5 video seen above.

So what do we make of Greer photoshopping bushes and talking to them? There are several options.
One option proposed by Grant Cameron is that Greer is an instrument of the intelligence community sewing disinformation, but he said that about Tom DeLonge too and in DeLonge's case, he not only admitted the heavy intelligence community participation in his TTSA venture, but he was even proud of it, and said in an ATS AMA that he trusted his intelligence contacts to not feed him misinformation because "they are not counter-intel". It's unclear if DeLonge was aware that his key man Luis Elizondo has 20 years experience in counter-intelligence!

So if you're generous to Greer, you could say he's doing the bidding of intelligence communities by pretending to be talking to a Bush, which is such obvious nonsense it should discredit everything Greer says, so the intelligence community would know that anybody following or believing Greer has severe cognitive deficiencies and maybe they put them on a watch list or something.

Or if you're less generous to Greer, perhaps Greer is the one with serious cognitive deficiencies, if he really thinks the bush he is talking to is an alien from the Andromeda galaxy, that's talking back to him.

Or a third option is Greer knows it's a bush and that it's not really talking back to him, but he's not trolling based in the intelligence community request, he's just lying to his followers because he knows they are UFO religion fanatics that will believe any ridiculous stuff he makes up no matter how ridiculous, like even charging them thousands of dollars to go on tours of invisible space ships! So he knows if they believe the bush is an alien that talks back to him, he's already got some good delusional marks lined up to sgive him $30,000 for a week to show them an invisible space ship. He lights a couple dollars worth of incense during the tour, so they can smell something, to help feed their delusion of the invisible space ship.

Exopolitics Hong Kong Attends CSETI with Dr Greer - 2010

It is important to understand that it takes "soft eyes" to see these craft; however if the screen is enlarged, the foggy shape of these etheric craft can just be seen against the background of the trees. The group enters the ethereal craft and a participant, who is rather shaken, tells of her experience.

It's the most amazing thing ever to me to see all these people get convinced there's an "aetherial spaceship" there when the video shows nothing except maybe some fog or haze. So if this is Greer's target audience he can scam them and apparently they want to believe so excessively they will believe any load of crap which no rational person with critical thinking skills would possibly believe.

So the compared to those trolls, the trolling of "secret activities" in "secret locations" which can not be proven one way or the other pales in comparison. From a scientific perspective, the difference between having an alien ship in a secret location for which there is no scientific evidence is no different from no alien ship at all, so it's really ironic when he trolls about trying to be scientific in his claims when none of them are scientific at all.

Then Greer mentions WSFM-Weird Science and #ing Magic, but there is nothing scientific at all about what he says, I call it FBS or Freaking Bull Sh!t. Of course there may be aliens with advanced tech that might seem magical to us, so it's not that claim I have a problem with, it's the complete lack of any evidence for that which is problematic.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I'm still digesting the 3 aliens photo video but as to your first issue.

From 43:27 they were with about 30 witnesses on an Arizona plateau about 5000 feet altitude when they shot the picture of an alien with a triangular head using a really good Nikon camera "own"ed by David "Marconi" who wrote the script for the movie "Enemy of the State" which is based on real (dated) technology Greer keeps using the term "a bridge too far".

At 58:40 he explains this, but the question may be do "onlies" qualify as aliens?

How did the onlies survive with dated technology?

Takes a long attention span to chase this stuff down.

originally posted by: BernnieJGato

Steven Greer...Why The Hate?

because he's a flim flam man plain and simple.

You are talking about someone that could put an end to you with a flat earth beer..

On the positive side...

Steven Greer has drawn attention to personal accounts and testimonies from individuals who genuinely believe they have experienced or witnessed the unexplained.

a reply to: Skinnerbot

You are talking about someone that could put an end to you with a flat earth beer..

he's welcome to try,

and here's something else,

He claims he was involved in the moon mission from the 60's and early 70's without giving enough detail

flim flam man was born in 1955, he would have been 15 in 1970. there is no way NASA during that era would have had a pre teen /teen on the payroll no matter how smart he claimed to be.

he's a liar from the word go.

a reply to: BernnieJGato

57:25
You probably knew Luna was a pen name.
But Greer is talking about the 60's Jodrell Banks children that you have no reason to know about.
It was a Russian program that communicated via VLBI dish facilities.

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originally posted by: Skinnerbot
From 43:27 they were with about 30 witnesses on an Arizona plateau about 5000 feet altitude when they shot the picture of an alien with a triangular head using a really good Nikon camera "own"ed by David "Marconi"

Greer says it's an alien, but why do you call it an alien? You should at least call it an "alien" with scare quotes, since his earlier pictures of "aliens" are a moth and a photoshopped picture of a bush. I think he had a lot of witnesses when he took the photo of the moth (which he claimed was an "alien") too.

I never saw the triangle "head" photo before watching that video, but based on Greer's track record, I don't have any more reason to believe that's alien than Greer's moth or bush "aliens", and I have no idea what you mean by "onlies". At least it's not another moth or another shrub like his other alien pics, but he said it's fairly recent so why doesn't he have a video of it with his iPhone, in addition to the photo? Or more photos?

I really don't have any context other than what Greer says which can't be trusted since he lies so much, but it could just be pareidolia of a rock like the Mars rocks that people are always saying resemble animals or faces in a pareidolia fashion. If he took other photos from other angles or lighting conditions, the pareidolia effect may go away as happened with the "face" on Mars. Why wouldn't he have dozens of photos of it if it was an alien?

What do the 30 witnesses have to say, who are they, where are their interviews? Not that they have any credibility, it's so bad that Greer fans think they "see" the invisible "space ship" when Greer takes them on a tour of the invisible "space ship", so 30 people who are stupid enough to hang out with a guy who gives "tours" of invisible "space ships" are to me 30 people with zero credibility. Greer also has "witnesses" to the invisible "space ship", which OMG has got to be one of the biggest trolls of all time, I still can't believe the stupidity of people who believe anything Greer has to say after seeing that hoax. It sort of reminds me of the story of the emperor who has no clothes, like people seem afraid to say they can't really see the invisible space ship, so they pretend to see it, just like people who pretended the emperor was wearing clothes.