Mike Zullo and Joe Arpaio prove Obama's birth certificate, social security number, and selective se

reply to post by doryinaz


I can't say if this information is true or false. Indeed, it is not up to me to decide according to the laws of this country(I should have a say in this, and all, presidential matters but that is a different argument). What I have said from the beginning of the "birther" issue is this: If he is truly ineligible for office this issue is going to be used as a precedent to allow foreign born individuals an opportunity at the presidency. With the amount of corporate money now legally involved in presidential elections does anyone think that the corporations want to have such a limited pool of individuals able to be president of the USA? Of course they do not. They want anyone in office who will promote and support their agenda. The current restrictions on the office of the presidency limit the multinational corporations.

Mark my words. If Obama is proven to be ineligible for the presidency this case will be used as a precedent to amend the constitution. The goal will be to allow any person, born in the USA & its territories, bases, ETC. or any foreigner, the right and ability to run for the highest office of the USA. I don't think such a move would be in the best interests of the populace.

Now, please consider that this theory is merely my conspiratorial brain turning the wheels. For the hell of it.

Originally posted by doryinaz
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

all by the same bunch of crooks who engineered it, in the first place.....i truly hope zullo gets this out there....there is still power in numbers....i have to keep the faith....we all should

So basically, any evidence that doesn't display what you want it to...and any legal proceeding that doesn't come out how you demand it be isn't valid? That isn't a couple cases with a couple judges. Thats over 200 of them, all over the nation with 25 at Supreme Court level, for goodness sakes.

All this deception ..for what? So a fairly average (at best) President could get to office ..and what? Piss everyone off enough to hunt for this MASSIVE achilles heal some seem to hang on to believing he has?

Obama is half White, Half Black. He has humble backgrounds and nothing really special or remarkable about anything in his life to suggest what he's become at this point with the Presidency. I really DO NOT like him, but I DO have to respect him just a bit for the sheer tenacity and ruthlessness it's taken to get where he is.

Yet...you would suggest this is all a sham? Why? What possible gain is there?? To the "King Makers" Obama is a dime a dozen and a buck buys ya a hundred more for a bonus. I mean, really, at the time his ascension to power began..LONG before the nation heard his name..he was no one special to so many others TPTB could have chosen. If he has SUCH a terrible secret that would legally disqualify him outright...Why would those powerful and intelligent men have backed him from the start?

This whole thing really doesn't even pass the logic test at this point. Maybe it did in 2008? SO much hadn't been released for original documents or evidence at that point. Most came out in 2010. Now though? It's just absurd.

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Do you think at all that if TPTB thought this was an issue they would act on it?

Well now that you mention it, POTUS did spend a lot of money on trying to fight it and cover it up. But of course he likely spent more on vacations for the famille and parties for his friends.

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All this deception ..for what? So a fairly average (at best) President could get to office ..and what?

cmon. You know what! To fundamentally transform America into a Marxist Utopian socialist state. Didn't you see that movie talking about his anti-colonialist roots and how he wants to level the playing field bringing America down and other countries up by redistributing America's wealth?

Originally posted by doryinaz
and, yes, they did find new evidence

Sure about that? How about telling all of us what this "new evidence" actually is....

this is for real....we'll just have to stay tuned....

They have said that many times before....

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Well now that you mention it, POTUS did spend a lot of money on trying to fight it and cover it up.

He did? Care to share the details of money Obama has spent on these silly birther cases....

Originally posted by Magister
To all the "this has been debunked" 'ers out there, could you provide details please?

We have. I've already posted links to websites where you can read the details for yourself.

Here and here.

Why didn't you read them the first time around?

McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

That's right, he was born outside the USA.

The US owned the canal remember?

That's right, but the Panama Canal was and still is outside the USA. So McCain was born outside the USA.

If it were determined that this did not constitute "natural born" then he would be disqualified.

That's right, and McCain's eligibility has been hotly debated by lawyers. Some say it is still undetermined. He sneaked into the presidential race on a mere technicality.

Originally posted by doryinaz
On June 1st, Mike Zullo presented a 2 hour informational speech to a group of Sheriffs, and Constitutional Lawyers...and even one congressman. This can be found on PPSIMMONS.com. For those of you who thought the "cold case posse" was dead...they are fully up and running, and causing quite a stir. They have run their investigation as they would any other criminal investigation, and found the Obama is NOT who he claims to be! This is no joke, and it is not any kind of political baloney. They are doing an end-around the mainstream press (who have labeled them crazy birthers and other demeaning things), but this is NOT going away. Anybody hear anything else? The story can be found on "Before it's News", as well. I'd appreciate any information from ATS'rs!

it is all theatrics in my honest opinion. everybody (in political circles) knows the true 'nature'
of obama and all this palarva is longsince scripted and an integral part of the orchestrated 'conspiracy'.

Originally posted by Magister

Originally posted by hellobruce
I've put up videos and a link in several posts. Why don't you take a turn?

Your videos have all been debunked in articles referenced by earlier posts.

Hotlinks have been provided for your convenience. Click and read.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Oh I get what role Obama is playing. No Doubt. It's the idea that he is somehow uniquely qualified of 300 million people, to play it. He wasn't the son of an Admiral or a high Politician. I'll leave it with....he had VERY humble beginnings according to all the immigration reports and investigative documents from the 70's. Those pretty well turned his whole family upside down and shook them out for spare change and pocket litter to see what there was to see. Not once, in any of that by the way, was Obama's own citizenship or birthplace in question.

Given how many things were already a challenge for Obama by nature and virtue of who he was and his LACK of any recognition or background? It's totally insane to think he would have been supported from State Senator on up if he wasn't even in possession of valid citizenship. Others suggest far more sordid things about his past and it's really all just silly.

Oh, Obama is a bucket of bad ju ju for the nation...we will never disagree there. This just isn't a hole to fish for reasons to nail him on anything. There aren't any fish to catch.

I'm not sure what to believe any more but I will say a couple things. I would put my trust in almost any Sherriff (not saying there are no bad ones) before I would put my trust in anyone that has anything to do with Obama.. That being said................................
The Truth Does Not Have An Expiration Date..

Let the cards fall where they may.

So as always I'm keeping an eye on EVERYTHING..

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
cmon. You know what! To fundamentally transform America into a Marxist Utopian socialist state. Didn't you see that movie talking about his anti-colonialist roots and how he wants to level the playing field bringing America down and other countries up by redistributing America's wealth?

Lies - all lies - it is to keep us in the dark while chemtrails transform the world into a reptilian paradise!!

you are just a shill - a disinfo agent for the reptilian overlords!!

Originally posted by PtolemyII
McCain's eligibility WAS questioned .

I never said it wasn't. In another post I've confirmed that it was.

Anyone else get the feeling that if people quit focussing on nonsense like "obama is a gay kenyan muslim", and we all came together and paid attention to the REAL issues, we might actually be able to change some things?

I dunno, just lamenting, i guess....

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Well now that you mention it, POTUS did spend a lot of money on trying to fight it and cover it up.

He did? Care to share the details of money Obama has spent on these silly birther cases....

2 mil is generally the amount mentioned in various stories.

Since June 2008, there have been more than 80 lawsuits filed to get it released and $2 million spent by Obama to keep it hidden.

www.americanthinker.com...

Originally posted by WhereAreTheGoodguys
I'm not sure what to believe any more but I will say a couple things. I would put my trust in almost any Sherriff (not saying there are no bad ones) before I would put my trust in anyone that has anything to do with Obama.. That being said................................
The Truth Does Not Have An Expiration Date..

Let the cards fall where they may.

So as always I'm keeping an eye on EVERYTHING..

Ol' Joe tramples as many rights on a local level as Obama does on a national level.

They are the same beast.

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thanks.....and thanks to all for the thoughtful comments....well...for most of them.....I just wanted to put this back into our thoughts because this has not faded away....these good folks have been working all along...I hope they continue, and bring us the unvarnished truth.....

Obama has proved he can assasinate american citizens abroad who commit acts of terrorism against the U.S. without due process, and he gets away with it. So yes it will go away, because the man is sitting on 5 f'ing scandals and Congress is totally overwhelmed with just the scandal the IRS was involved in, and the more weightier matters like Benghazi, which is outright treason are getting swept under the rug. Yeah the IRS is corrupt, bout like everything else in our system, and theyre going to be providing the oversight of Obamacare. The man has no shortage of people willing to fall on their swords for him.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Since June 2008, there have been more than 80 lawsuits filed to get it released and $2 million spent by Obama to keep it hidden.

www.americanthinker.com...

So in fact you have no source except for a claim on a discussion forum.....

Your birth certificate is also hidden, how many millions have you spent to hide it?

Is there a link to their evidence?

All I have heard so far is people talking about having evidence, but no actual evidence.

I think I'll wait until I've seen the evidence before offering an opinion.