What Jerusalem?

reply to post by Phoenix267

Yes, Cyrus was consider to be a messiah.

Messiah Cyrus, King of Kings, Ruler of the World by command of Marduk, chief of Babylonian pantheon orders that the cities and temples of the lesser gods be rebuilt.

Should the Jews have followed Moses or should they have followed Messiah Cyrus, beloved of the Babylonian pantheon of gods?

And if some prophet claimed that that was okay to violate Moses on behalf of a polytheist, then shouldn't that prophet have been killed according to Deut 13?

3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams: for Yahweh your God proves you, to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 You shall walk after Yahweh your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and you shall serve him, and cling to him. 5 That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against Yahweh your God,

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by deadeyedick

all the symbolism in washington and new york you can see that the signs are there.

Are you referring to Pagan symbols? Is North America claimed by the clan god of Israel also?

I say yes and that quite possibly u.s. and israel are the two witnesses. If you take note of the things they are too do then these two countries have the tech to pull it off.

reply to post by Phoenix267


The Temple about to be built has a purpose . The Antichrist will sit in the seat of God and try to claim he is God . The abomination of Desolation will take place . Christ is the Heavenly Temple himself .

reply to post by deadeyedick


Actually Elijah is one of the witnesses . He was named by name . By the way Elijah was taken up by God on a fiery chariot by appearances . Elijah and Enoch were both taken off the earth by God . They have not yet died , but will in the streets of Jerusalem . It is appointed to every man to die the first death . Moses is dead and buried on Mt Sinai .

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by Phoenix267

 

The Temple about to be built has a purpose . The Antichrist will sit in the seat of God and try to claim he is God . The abomination of Desolation will take place . Christ is the Heavenly Temple himself .

It does seem to fit that without a temple we are desolate and that would end when GOD gets our enemy to build his house and trick the wicked into believing a lie at the same time. 2 for 1 prophecy

reply to post by SimonPeter

They have not yet died

Didn't Jesus say that Elijah had already come? He was beheaded. Where do you get the notion that Elijah never died?

And why are you talking about some hypothetical future temple anyway? This thread is about the Messiah Cyrus city and temple of Jerusalem.

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by deadeyedick

 

Actually Elijah is one of the witnesses . He was named by name . By the way Elijah was taken up by God on a fiery chariot by appearances . Elijah and Enoch were both taken off the earth by God . They have not yet died , but will in the streets of Jerusalem . It is appointed to every man to die the first death . Moses is dead and buried on Mt Sinai .

I have no doubt that one of us is correct but honestly i don't know who because there is much evidence either way.

reply to post by pthena


The threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite or the Temple Mount anchors Jerusalem . Gods has plans for that portion of real estate until the end of the earth .
And thaats all I got to say about that !

reply to post by pthena

Should the Jews have followed Moses or should they have followed Messiah Cyrus, beloved of the Babylonian pantheon of gods?

I think that it was a white and black thing. I bet moses was black and their was a separation that GOD knew they would not overcome at the time. Moses was never anointed and i'm sure that was brought up at the time.

reply to post by deadeyedick

Moses was never anointed and i'm sure that was brought up at the time.

I don't know right off hand whether the story says so or not, I can't think of any place where it says he was anointed. His bona fides were supposed to be established in this way:

Exodus 19: 9 Yahweh said to Moses, “Behold, I come to you in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and may also believe you forever.” Moses told the words of the people to Yahweh.

I'm not sure what you mean by a black white thing.

reply to post by pthena


if Cyrus was white and Moses was black and it would have played a role in all this. It's total speculation on my part but i would bet money on it.

reply to post by deadeyedick

if Cyrus was white and Moses was black and it would have played a role in all this.

I think there is a story about Moses having a black wife. I think we should assume that Moses would have pretty much been the same color as his brother Aaron. I've got no idea about Cyrus.

I think it would have had more to do with Moses was not around and Messiah Cyrus, beloved by Marduk was around and saying the Jews could rebuild the city.

What Monotheism?

Doesn't any body find it strange that it wasn't until post-exile that prophets wrote about the clan god of Israel being the one and only deity of the universe, all the while he was living in the temple given to him by Marduk, the chief god of the Babylonian pantheon?

And living in a city that it was against the Law of Moses to be rebuilt?


And when Messiah Herod the Great, appointed King of the Jews by the Roman Senate, confirmed by solemn assembly at the temple of Jupiter on the Capitoline Hill, built the Third Temple in Jerusalem, what god lived in that?

What's going on that no matter how many times a city and temple get built in violation of Moses, people keep looking forward to yet another violation?

reply to post by pthena

Doesn't any body find it strange that it wasn't until post-exile that prophets wrote about the clan god of Israel being the one and only deity of the universe, all the while he was living in the temple given to him by Marduk, the chief god of the Babylonian pantheon?

Huh? What are you smoking? Moses wrote the Torah and he was proclaiming that about 700 years before Isaiah. The entire point of the 10 plagues was that YHVH was mocking the egyptian's little stone dollies. Each plague was tailored to mock one of their "gods", culminating in the 10th and final plague when the angel of death descended and claimed the firstborn of Egypt, and pharoah and his people tried to call on Osiris to resurrect them and it failed. YHVH was showing his sovereignty right there.

Psalm 103:19-22 "A Psalm of David"

19 The Lord has established His throne in heaven,
And His kingdom rules over all.

20 Bless the Lord, you His angels,
Who excel in strength, who do His word,
Heeding the voice of His word.
21 Bless the Lord, all you His hosts,
You ministers of His, who do His pleasure.
22 Bless the Lord, all His works,
In all places of His dominion.

Bless the Lord, O my soul!

David lived before any of the exiles, and he was also a prophet-king.

Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by adjensen


But the thread is actually about the 2nd temple, and whether Jerusalem should have ever been rebuilt at all after Babylonian destruction.

Jerusalem being rebuilt was a sign from God that he wasn't going to allow these people to be destroyed. Not then, not ever. That's why the Bible tells us to look to them for signs of his second coming. He'll continue to make an example out of them until the very end. Errors and all.

The Bible tells us in Revelation (read chapters 19 through 22), that ultimately there will be a new heaven/earth (new Jerusalem) in which God himself will be the temple, so there will not be a need for a physical one.

However, this won't keep the Jews from building their third temple in which the Anti-Christ will take it over and force people to worship him as God, but it will be destroyed by the one true God and he'll replace it with himself.

Like I said before, errors and all, God will continue to use them as a signal to the rest of the world of what and what not to do, while not allowing them to be completely destroyed in the process. However, their persecution isn't over yet. There's more to come.

reply to post by pthena

Show me chapter and verse where Jerusalem was not to be rebuilt.

reply to post by pthena

Also, about the Third Temple. The third temple was built by Herod the Great. The 2nd temple was completely removed (not one stone on another) to make way for it.

I don't know what magic significance people are placing on Third temple, as future. Third temple is history as of 70 AD.

No, Herod only renovated and expanded the second temple before it fell in 70 AD.

reply to post by pthena


Have you ever read the Bible, cover to cover, in Its entirety?

Originally posted by SimonPeter
reply to post by pthena

 

The threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite or the Temple Mount anchors Jerusalem . Gods has plans for that portion of real estate until the end of the earth .
And thaats all I got to say about that !

Yep, to separate the "wheat and the tares" as told in Matthew 13.

reply to post by WashMoreFeet

Have you ever read the Bible, cover to cover, in Its entirety?

pthena, as he has stated on other threads, has completely worn out several Bibles from reading them through so many times.