So who's actually running the planet?

reply to post by ThinkingHuman

'We' enslave animals? i don't. In a perfect world of my own I believe it would be a vegetarian world, with animals free as they should be and us free also. But we live on a pre formed world.
'We' have been placed in a farm and the farm is of some other making, whether of gradual 'civilisation' or pre designed, it is still a farm.
But freedom lives in our hearts which is why there is so much distraction from the bars. If humans notice the bars........well... I don't believe we were meant to be farmed, and maybe we would rather not know who the farmers are? Is it other humans or.....?

Originally posted by Elliot

 

'We' enslave animals? i don't. In a perfect world ... But we live on a pre formed world.

Of course you do. I am not passing moral judgment, I am just pointing the obvious. We all are complicit of the system that enslaves all farm animals, all zoo animals, even horses and many birds. Society judges it to be acceptable, due to necessity, but that doesn't change the fact that we enslave them, and kill them based on our, human, needs. "pre-formed world" is a cheap excuse.

But freedom lives in our hearts

And horses do not have 'freeedom living in their hearts'?

I don't believe we were meant to be farmed, and maybe we would rather not know who the farmers are?

If you don't want to know the farmer then obviously you will not realize that you are being farmed.

All living animals have freedom in there hearts.

As for not wanting to know the farmer, well, it's enough to know that we are farmed, perhaps by 'whom' might be a touch worrying on a Tuesday evening, but still it would be interesting to look behind the curtain.....just hope it's not too ugly!

Originally posted by Elliot

 

As for not wanting to know the farmer, well, it's enough to know that we are farmed, perhaps by 'whom' might be a touch worrying on a Tuesday evening, but still it would be interesting to look behind the curtain.....just hope it's not too ugly!

You need to make up your mind though. If you're not ready, you better quit reading ATS.

reply to post by ThinkingHuman
It would be interesting to know. What comes after that is anybody's guess.

Originally posted by Elliot

 

It would be interesting to know. What comes after that is anybody's guess.

If humans are just "sheep" then who could it be?

reply to post by ThinkingHuman
Sorry TH, can't work out U2u or it's not working, (or I'm doing I'm not working)!




If humans are sheep....who are the farmers?
Well, it could be Elite Sheep put in charge.
It could be Very Clever Elite Sheep, for whom great knowledge has given great power and corrupted them.
Or, it could be the same above VCE sheep, who despite their great knowledge really can't control the masses.

Or, it could be the Farmers who planted us here in the first place.

Now some farmers are lovely and take care of their sheep.....apart from their ultimate goal to fleece, slaughter and make a profit from the sheep, if that is a 'good' farmer.
We used to go on holiday in the middle of nowhere and there was a field that backed onto the rented house. In this field would come the sheep farmer. He would 'F' and blind at his animals who would not come willingly to him but scatter when they saw this miserable, moaning, angry, old fool. He would push and kick the poor beasties and many of them were lame and straggly.

I would suspect that a similar farmer to the one we saw on holiday runs this planet!

Am I getting warmer?

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by Elliot

 

'We' enslave animals? i don't. In a perfect world ... But we live on a pre formed world.

Of course you do. I am not passing moral judgment, I am just pointing the obvious. We all are complicit of the system that enslaves all farm animals, all zoo animals, even horses and many birds. Society judges it to be acceptable, due to necessity, but that doesn't change the fact that we enslave them, and kill them based on our, human, needs. "pre-formed world" is a cheap excuse.

But freedom lives in our hearts

And horses do not have 'freeedom living in their hearts'?

I don't believe we were meant to be farmed, and maybe we would rather not know who the farmers are?

If you don't want to know the farmer then obviously you will not realize that you are being farmed.

I used to work in the professional horse industry, showed horses for many years, I reconciled this with knowing these animals lived to perform.....if you turn them out in a pasture, and they have an audience, they are "on," and seeming to enjoy every moment of it.


When you are an accomplished rider, and "gelling" with your mount, in other words, the two of you are doing a dance, a performance of beauty and physical accomplishment and teamwork, not showing who is boss as human vs. animal.....well, it's something beyond explanation.
However, I have ethically questioned this association for a very long time, and for various reasons, this being one of them, I no longer work in this industry. I find it usery,and though most of life is (usery, in some shape or form) I no longer want to participate or foment this association with the animal and human in this way.....for I question how we are humans and they are animals.......
Having said that, and left some of that up for speculation for I won't go beyond any explanation of it, we are all slaves here, from my point of view, on different levels, But, I, for one, wish to no longer participate in the slavery that I strongly suspect exists in this paradigm, though I loved every animal I cared for and sacrificed beyond what many would for those animals in my care.
Tetra50

But I must say, I do miss that dance, between the nobility of the horse and his/her devotion and partnership with you, pure in its very essence, such is the devotion and commitment and there may be something worthy to be said and observed of that, after all.....but slavery is still what it is, whatever level it exists at....

Originally posted by Elliot

 

Now some farmers are lovely and take care of their sheep

Even the loveliest shepard must lead his sheep to the shearer and the slaughter.

reply to post by longtimelurkerr


Could you offer source of reference sites that helped you deduce this theory?

I have always thought that TPTB could not possibly just seek to be uber rich. There is indeed more to it than just running America into the ground. TPTB are allowing for millions to die from hunger, poverty, diseases that surely could be cured with the technology that is being held back. The are also hoping to cut access to supplies of natural compounding remedies for hormone regeneration assisting the cures of terminal and chronic illnesses all in the name of cash.

Originally posted by tetra50

 

.....but slavery is still what it is, whatever level it exists at....

Horses are eloquent, sensitive animals. If you have read the 4th chapter of Gulliver's Travels too long ago, I highly recommend reading it again (as an adult). It deals with horses and also the topic at hand. Its author was a Catholic priest in the British colony of Ireland.

Your empathy elevates your/our nature, but it does not enable us to escape it. Like zoo animals, we are confined to a cage, our planet. Emotionally and spiritually we are confined to our human body. The myth of heaven is only to misguide us into serving the powerful. But the Bible also talks about a sacred secret. It is, that nothing will be destroyed into nothing, no energy is wasted. Your spirit will continue to exist. (1Cor 15:51) Titanic (just kidding...)

reply to post by Shuye


The Rothchilds, whoever is left of the Warbug family, The Rockerfellers, the Windors, the Grimaldi...so on and so forth.
These people run the world and pull the strings of the puppet that runs the White House at the moment.

Need I say more?

that creature....it is why i stopped my relationship with them in a performance sense in this world.....I chose not to be or use them in that way....
Tetra50

Originally posted by ThinkingHuman

Originally posted by tetra50

 

.....but slavery is still what it is, whatever level it exists at....

Horses are eloquent, sensitive animals. If you have read the 4th chapter of Gulliver's Travels too long ago, I highly recommend reading it again (as an adult). It deals with horses and also the topic at hand. Its author was a Catholic priest in the British colony of Ireland.

Your empathy elevates your/our nature, but it does not enable us to escape it. Like zoo animals, we are confined to a cage, our planet. Emotionally and spiritually we are confined to our human body. The myth of heaven is only to misguide us into serving the powerful. But the Bible also talks about a sacred secret. It is, that nothing will be destroyed into nothing, no energy is wasted. Your spirit will continue to exist. (1Cor 15:51) Titanic (just kidding...)

I just finished writing a whole response to this, only to have my computer disregard and erase it. anyone who believes their computer is not functioning already as an ai with its own mind, or perhaps, there is a personality within it making choices,editing, etc., this is surely proof, for it happens to me daily when typing responses.

Now, to what you wrote: I do not fully understand. and wish you would put it in terms or lugs like me. And I am not kidding. And would wish you would not respond to me with such.

My life and profession with horses I took very seriously. IE: they are noble creatures, perhaps far more noble than we can ever hope to be as humans. But this, I find, is a usery existence, and I have no wish to participate in it. Despite the horses' nature to perform, and despite my experiences in asking a horse to "dance" with me, rather than be the boss of him/her, despite this respect, I no longer wish to participate in a usery environment, where I am the master and he (the horse) is an extension of my success.


Could you please expound upon what you replied......

I am not seeking heaven, nor hell, just living as I see living is....and trying my best to respect all our abilities, capacities, and ways we are enslaved.
Tetra50

PS I expect no reward for this. It is my nature, surely and truly
But I will seek out Gulliver's Travels anyway, for what that's worth

reply to post by Kratos40

But who pulls their strings?
I do buy into the 'bloodline' theory but feel there is more. There is something else.....just off field that is not ultimately, completely powerful but controlling the 'bloodlines'.

Yeah, Liliputians, I can grock.....

How Corinthians applies, I am waiting for you explain......

Originally posted by solve
reply to post by Shuye

 

i think my avatar is running the planet,,
to clarify, the ancient olmec and tolltec etc, are not that "ancient" in my opinion.

just my personal belief...

have you ever seen a ancient skull with perfect holes drilled in them?
well that helmet/mask is pretty well embedded in the skull....

if you wan to know more- search seibal stela, or la venta national park.
the holes were not drilled to relive pressure, caused by trauma to the head...

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Are you saying they attached antennae to themselves to transmit thoughts?

reply to post by Shuye

So who's actually running the planet?

The sun, gravity, and a molten iron core?

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by Shuye

 

So who's actually running the planet?

The sun, gravity, and a molten iron core?

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I always love your down to earth or wherever responses.....
or a simulated, holographic hell? whatever. Whichever, I always find your responses ones that ground us in the reality we accept as of now, and that is worthwhile, in grounding us, if nothing else.
Tetra50

Oh, and further, the moon, the tides, etc...

Originally posted by tetra50

 

and wish you would put it in terms or lugs like me. And I am not kidding.
Could you please expound upon what you replied......
I expect no reward for this.

Sorry, I don't know how to answer, or what you want me to expound on. Please ask me a direct question. What is the meaning of 'lugs'?

I was not trying to suggest that you expect a reward, just to express my belief as far as it relates to this topic is 'What runs the planet?' I believe the myth of 'heaven' is used for that purpose.

... and I have to work sometimes in between, I'm afraid you may need to wait a little longer.