Undeniable Proof of Intelligent Design.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

You don't seem to understand the implications of what's been presented and is continuing to be presented.

In your worldview or paradigm, which is biased against the UCA (unknown creative agency) hypothesis, this phenomenon

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

..must be declared as nothing but a chance coincidence which Phage stated (as a biased oppositional stance to the prospect of ID), while simply pointing out that it's not always a perfect eclipse when they occur, even though the full moon otherwise perfectly reflects the visible diameter of the sun, and as I've pointed out, at this epoch in earth evolution when there's someone around to notice it, thus presenting the possibility that it's a sign or a marker even an allegory.

You MUST hold to the chance hypothesis you see, as must Phage, but not for the purpose of scientific inquiry, but only an apriori bias, while I will continue to provide data to show that it's not the case and cannot be considered to have occurred (moon earth sun configuration) simply by chance or by fluke. Furthermore, if your (and Phage's) hypothesis is to be accepted, that's no reasonable basis whatsoever to then expect a galaxy filled with Earth-like worlds or with "Earth twins" like we all used to presume where any old rocky planet in the "Goldilocks Zone" would do. What I've shown here at the very least is the importance of the moon in the evolution of life on earth, and the difficulty in that presumption everyone's making and one that I used to make, until I starting looking into it.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

even though the full moon otherwise perfectly reflects the visible diameter of the sun,

Incorrect. It is not "perfect". Switching your claim from eclipse to full Moon is irrelevant. The variance in distance/radius ratios are the same. It doesn't matter if it's during a full Moon or a solar eclipse. The majority of the time the apparent diameters are not the same.

Furthermore, if your (and Phage's) hypothesis is to be accepted, that's no reasonable basis whatsoever to then expect a galaxy filled with Earth-like worlds or with "Earth twins" like we all used to presume where any old rocky planet in the "Goldilocks Zone" would do.

I don't understand your point. Can you clarify? That looks like gibberish to me.

What I've shown here at the very least is the importance of the moon in the evolution of life on earth

No one has denied that the Moon has had an influence on evolution. You assume that intelligent life would not have evolved on Earth were it not for the Moon. That is not a valid assumption.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Great Post! Keep up the good work! I noticed you show how sacred geometry plays a big part in the earth and moon relationship. Not to mention, how it plays an important role in all planet(s)/moon(s) relationships. Perhaps you ought to look into the bio signature ALL humans have in our DNA? I think you will find it really awesome when you see how our DNA is like a book or the biggest piece of poetry you have ever seen. I am not posting it because there is too many people who don't care here on ATS even if you present evidence about this sort of thing. Not to mention, those people who actually go see what I am talking about are the ones who truly care. Therefore, I'd rather information as good as this to be seen by people like you first and foremost since it seems like you have a great passion for proving God. Kind of like how the Jewish community wants to protect the name of God according to the tetragrammaton. This is because they only want those people who are special to know his true full length name. I would type it in Hebrew but I unfortunately can't and I don't want to type it in english.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

even though the full moon otherwise perfectly reflects the visible diameter of the sun,

Incorrect. It is not "perfect". Switching your claim from eclipse to full Moon is irrelevant. The variance in distance/radius ratios are the same. It doesn't matter if it's during a full Moon or a solar eclipse. The majority of the time the apparent diameters are not the same.

My point is that they ARE all but identical in visible diameter, that IS true what are you talking about?

As to the rest, think it through in regards to how the cycle of life works on earth and the razor's edge of it's dynamic equilibrium balancing of which the moon plays a crucial role.

You have no reason to believe that intelligent life would evolve without the influence of this unique and very particular configuration. That's not only highly speculative but without any basis, particularly in light of the earth-moon-sun configuration, which is quite unique for a whole host of reasons many of which we have yet to still explore.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

My point is that they ARE all but identical in visible diameter, that IS true what are you talking about?

"All but identical" Everything but identical? So what are we talking about?
You said:

even though the full moon otherwise perfectly reflects the visible diameter of the sun,

It does not.

You have no reason to believe that intelligent life would evolve without the influence of this rather unique and very particular configuration.

"Rather unique" is a semantically null statement. Either something is unique or it is not.
I have no reason to think that intelligent life would not have evolved without the influence of the Moon.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Yes. The Earth rotates and has an axial tilt.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

Yes. The Earth rotates and has an axial tilt.

And the moon plays a zero role in that (tilt, wobble, speed of rotation)?

reply to post by NewAgeMan

And the moon plays a zero role in that (tilt, wobble, speed of rotation)?

No. Who said that?

reply to post by Phage

That's the implication of your statement that intelligent life could easily have evolved and likely would have without the moon's influence.. or that you would have no reason to believe that it wouldn't otherwise.

About Earth

Earth is an ocean planet. Our home world's abundance of water - and life - makes it unique in our solar system. Other planets, plus a few moons, have ice, atmospheres, seasons and even weather, but only on Earth does the whole complicated mix come together in a way that encourages life - and lots of it.

A Steady Hand

The Moon is more than a pretty accessory in our night sky. It stabilizes Earth's wobble, which led to a more stable climate and probably helped life evolve. The Moon also guides the ebb and flow of Earth's oceans.

solarsystem.nasa.gov...

Do you think that any old moon will do, then look at Mars and it's wobble.

Earth is on a razor's edge in favor of evolution and life solely because of the unique earth-moon-sun configuration and relationship, the integers of which we have yet to explore..

P.S. I'm not suggesting that something very similar could not happen again anywhere else.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

That's the implication of your statement that intelligent life could easily have evolved and likely would have without the moon's influence..

Please point out where I said intelligent life can easily evolve (on Earth or anywhere else)?

Nothing in that quote (or article) precludes the evolution of intelligent life without the Moon.

reply to post by Phage

Here's what you said.

Originally posted by Phage

I have no reason to think that intelligent life would not have evolved without the influence of the Moon.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

And in your mind that equates to this:

intelligent life could easily have evolved

But you do make some rather odd inferences. We know that.

reply to post by Phage


Ok, you want to argue semantics, fine. Call my "inferences" odd? As "we" are you speaking for all the readers..? I'm not so sure given the way this thread has unfolded and the subject at hand.

Ok, what then gives you reason to believe that, absent the influence of our giant moon, within the context of our own unique earth-moon-sun configuration that we've been considering here, that intelligent life on earth would have evolved anyway or in spite of it not being there?

And I do think that what I've posted in this thread is illustrative of the nature of the cycle of life on earth which is represented perfectly by the image showing solstice and perihelion


Something that you seemed to imply was not more significant or relevant than

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

Yes. The Earth rotates and has an axial tilt.

When it is SOLELY due to this present configuration of the earth, moon, and sun, that the whole cycle of life on earth and thus the evolution of life, has taken place, for which the moon is the actual stabilizing force of dynamic equilibrium balancing by which the earth is tilted and wobbles on it's axis..

Please therefore describe other configurations which would give the same result or something very very similar, with animals running (and flying) around, etc. Since those must be considered, can you come up with a comparable scenario, say with a very large planet like a super-earth with a very small moon?

From what we see with Earth, how and why would that be equally workable in the formation of a planet blooming with life as on earth and to the degree that intelligent life also evolves?

And it's a very good question compared to what we see here, THE question, and I'm proud to be asking it and inquiring into it, while considering all possibilities including that it (what we see here) was no accident or as a result of mere chance, like some sort of astronomical coincidence or fluke.

Hmmph, maybe I'm not so "odd" and prone to flights of fancy after all..?

reply to post by NewAgeMan

Call me odd?

I said you make odd inferences.

What then gives you reason to believe that, absent the influence of our giant moon, within the context of our own unique earth-moon-sun configuration that we've been considering here, that intelligent life on earth would have evolved anyway or in spite of it not being there?

I answered that question.

And so we are clear about this "unique earth-moon-sun configuration". It is your assumption that no such configuration exists elsewhere.

Please therefore describe other configurations which would give the same result or something very very similar, with animals running (and flying) around, etc. Since those must be considered, can you come up with a comparable scenario, say with a very large planet like a super-earth with a very small moon?

As has been pointed out many times. There is no reason to expect that life anywhere else would evolve in the same manner it has on Earth. Nor is there any particular reason to think that there is anything particularly special about life on Earth.

Originally posted by Phage

Nor is there any particular reason to think that there is anything particularly special about life on Earth.

There's a whole host of them, not the least of which is the totality of life on earth. Life on earth is special because it's made manifest, and in closing the circle in observation we are also very relevant, and special by virtue of our inclusion. To be alive, and to see and recognize it is special, I think you're mistaken simply because of an atheist bias of some sort.

It's of the farthest reaching implication and significance, revealing the end result of a very long process of cosmic evolution tuned and aimed for life itself, and here it is!

Are you kidding me?

reply to post by Phage


Just a quick one for you Phage.

How do you feel about your own life here on Earth ? Do you also feel there is nothing special about you,
being here, alive in your own concsciousness and separetely
( as time has alloted ) perfectly functioning vessel ?
You feel no significance in the job of being you ?
A task that no one else can perforn in and of itself ?

Originally posted by Phage

 

What then gives you reason to believe that, absent the influence of our giant moon, within the context of our own unique earth-moon-sun configuration that we've been considering here, that intelligent life on earth would have evolved anyway or in spite of it not being there?

I answered that question.

No you never did, you never said why or on what basis and it would have to be addressed if you would have no reason to believe that intelligent life on earth would have evolved without the influence of our moon.

reply to post by randyvs

Your hilarious Randy!

reply to post by NewAgeMan

To be alive, and to see and recognize it is special, I think you're mistaken simply because of an atheist bias of some sort.

I like life. Especially when you consider the other options. But I don't have the arrogance to think that life in any form on any planet would be less "special" than life on Earth

But your religious bias seems to have also made you into an earthist bigot.